Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’

[GhostyTMRS]

As for the Mike interview...meh. It's stuff he's said a million times over. He clearly doesn't want to go down in history as the one guy who hated "Pet Sounds". The reporter misrepresented his character in the film to him, Mike hasn't seen it, so it was a conversation about basically....nothing.
 

Nah, he wants to go down in history as the guy who found fault with and questioned the acid alliteration lyric words for the album after Pet Sounds (which he proudly owns up to doing), and who has a couple steadfast followers who oddly can't bring themselves to follow in his footsteps to even remotely question words.

Shouldn't that be what Mike's fans do? Question words that are of questionable appropriateness? His fans (all both of them) should do what 1966 Mike would do. Be like 1966 Mike and question away! If you're a troo fan of Mike, you'll learn by example. Untroo fan alert if you don't.

You'd have to ask a Mike fan. I'm a fan of The Beach Boys, meaning I've been exposed to dubious comments for the past 30 years from various members but...strangely enough...they never affect my enjoyment of the old albums. Mike's comments about VDP's lyrics never made me like those lyrics any less. Brian saying he hates his performance on "Let Him Run Wild" never stops me from thinking that it's possibly the very best singing he ever did. As I said, this interview was same old same old. The biggest takeaway I got it from this interview was this idea about doing remakes of old hits with guest artists, which I don't think can even happen legally. Why there aren't 10 pages devoted to discussion about that? That's a hell of a lot more interesting than people flying into hysterics and dissecting how and why Mike used the word "probably" in a sentence.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

The biggest takeaway I got it from this interview was this idea about doing remakes of old hits with guest artists, which I don't think can even happen legally. Why there aren't 10 pages devoted to discussion about that? That's a hell of a lot more interesting than people flying into hysterics and dissecting how and why Mike used the word "probably" in a sentence.

Good point, and I don't think it can.

[Pretty Funky]

Of course, the M&B Beach Boys have changed since 2004 - not a lot though since 2014, when I last saw them.

So, in your cosmos, it's acceptable to consider a 90 minute outdoor meat & spuds GH show as broadly equivalent to a three hours plus indoor show that delved deep into the catalog when considering whether or not to attend the latter . 33-odd songs as opposed to nearly twice that number. What a strange world yours is.

Based on the UK shows Andrew? Both M&B and Brian raise the bar there. A bit early to tell but I have a feeling the setlists for the US tour this summer will be pretty close to those of last year.

[Doo Dah]

I thought about the mention c/o the covers Album, and the first thing that came to mind was something along the lines of the NASCAR tribute release. Anything else would certainly be in violation of the license.

The other thing that got me at the end was the sheer enthusiasm about how 'we're gonna do THIS, and we're gonna do THAT...' He thinks it's 1992 all over again, and the world is waiting for the next Mike Love release. It's a little odd, to say the least.

[Wirestone]

Of course, the M&B Beach Boys have changed since 2004 - not a lot though since 2014, when I last saw them.

So, in your cosmos, it's acceptable to consider a 90 minute outdoor meat & spuds GH show as broadly equivalent to a three hours plus indoor show that delved deep into the catalog when considering whether or not to attend the latter . 33-odd songs as opposed to nearly twice that number. What a strange world yours is.

Out of curiousity, when did Mike and Co. last perform a comparable set list in the states? I would love to see one of those wide ranging euro shows, but Mike seems not to do them over here.

[Pretty Funky]

Why don't they get some country stars to re-record those hits?

....oh.

[Doo Dah]

Of course, the M&B Beach Boys have changed since 2004 - not a lot though since 2014, when I last saw them.

So, in your cosmos, it's acceptable to consider a 90 minute outdoor meat & spuds GH show as broadly equivalent to a three hours plus indoor show that delved deep into the catalog when considering whether or not to attend the latter . 33-odd songs as opposed to nearly twice that number. What a strange world yours is.

Out of curiousity, when did Mike and Co. last perform a comparable set list in the states? I would love to see one of those wide ranging euro shows, but Mike seems not to do them over here.

Check out the slate of US shows this summer for Mike and Bruce. Wonder which venue will be the lucky recipient of the UK setlist?  http://www.thebeachboys.com/#go_page_2607

Hang on...August 2nd, Fort Wayne, Indiana. My sources tell me that they will perform SMILE in its' entirety.

[HeyJude]

There would be nothing prohibiting Mike from re-recording BB hits (or any other published song) by himself or with guest artists. He did that with the "Union 76" gas station album and the Adrian Baker car dealership CD.

What Mike can't do is call any such album a "Beach Boys" album, which I'm sure he knows.

Why Mike thinks this is a good idea, I haven't a clue. Maybe nobody showed him the sales figures and reviews for "Stars and Stripes."

Meanwhile, Al recently said he's working on "Runaway" back at his studio.  

So you know what, maybe these guys need Brian and Joe Thomas to write them an album of songs! Worked relatively well in 2012.

[SMiLE Brian]

Let's go doo dah!

[HeyJude]

Of course, the M&B Beach Boys have changed since 2004 - not a lot though since 2014, when I last saw them.

So, in your cosmos, it's acceptable to consider a 90 minute outdoor meat & spuds GH show as broadly equivalent to a three hours plus indoor show that delved deep into the catalog when considering whether or not to attend the latter . 33-odd songs as opposed to nearly twice that number. What a strange world yours is.

Out of curiousity, when did Mike and Co. last perform a comparable set list in the states? I would love to see one of those wide ranging euro shows, but Mike seems not to do them over here.

And I would assume some who are 50/50 on seeing Mike's shows have misgivings that go beyond the setlist. Mike's band is tight and professional. But some folks place more of an emphasis on seeing actual Beach Boys sing this stuff. I think, believe it or not, I'd rather see Al Jardine sing "Help Me Rhonda" for the millionth time than Jeff Foskett or Scott Totten sing "Surf's Up."

Darian and Scott Bennett are awesome, but I'd just as soon see Brian take their spots back and give them to Al or Blondie or himself.

[GhostyTMRS]

Of course, the M&B Beach Boys have changed since 2004 - not a lot though since 2014, when I last saw them.

So, in your cosmos, it's acceptable to consider a 90 minute outdoor meat & spuds GH show as broadly equivalent to a three hours plus indoor show that delved deep into the catalog when considering whether or not to attend the latter . 33-odd songs as opposed to nearly twice that number. What a strange world yours is.

Out of curiousity, when did Mike and Co. last perform a comparable set list in the states? I would love to see one of those wide ranging euro shows, but Mike seems not to do them over here.

And I would assume some who are 50/50 on seeing Mike's shows have misgivings that go beyond the setlist. Mike's band is tight and professional. But some folks place more of an emphasis on seeing actual Beach Boys sing this stuff. I think, believe it or not, I'd rather see Al Jardine sing "Help Me Rhonda" for the millionth time than Jeff Foskett or Scott Totten sing "Surf's Up."

Darian and Scott Bennett are awesome, but I'd just as soon see Brian take their spots back and give them to Al or Blondie or himself.

This brings up something that probably deserves it's own thread. When was the last time the Beach Boys were a functioning rock and roll band on stage and made major instrumental contributions to the sound coming over the PA system (in other words, THEY were the band you were hearing, not an army of sidemen)?

[Larry Franz]

Why there aren't 10 pages devoted to discussion about that? That's a hell of a lot more interesting than people flying into hysterics and dissecting how and why Mike used the word "probably" in a sentence.

Recipe for generating a thread with more than 10 pages:

(1) Find a public figure who said something like "The Americans probably landed on the moon", "Lionel Messi is probably better than anyone who plays for Scunthorpe United" or "Dr. Landy probably went beyond the bounds of therapy".  

(2) Keep defending or trying to explain away that use of "probably".

Nothing to it, except for step (1). Oh, wait.

[CenturyDeprived]

As for the Mike interview...meh. It's stuff he's said a million times over. He clearly doesn't want to go down in history as the one guy who hated "Pet Sounds". The reporter misrepresented his character in the film to him, Mike hasn't seen it, so it was a conversation about basically....nothing.
 

Nah, he wants to go down in history as the guy who found fault with and questioned the acid alliteration lyric words for the album after Pet Sounds (which he proudly owns up to doing), and who has a couple steadfast followers who oddly can't bring themselves to follow in his footsteps to even remotely question words.

Shouldn't that be what Mike's fans do? Question words that are of questionable appropriateness? His fans (all both of them) should do what 1966 Mike would do. Be like 1966 Mike and question away! If you're a troo fan of Mike, you'll learn by example. Untroo fan alert if you don't.

You'd have to ask a Mike fan. I'm a fan of The Beach Boys, meaning I've been exposed to dubious comments for the past 30 years from various members but...strangely enough...they never affect my enjoyment of the old albums. Mike's comments about VDP's lyrics never made me like those lyrics any less. Brian saying he hates his performance on "Let Him Run Wild" never stops me from thinking that it's possibly the very best singing he ever did. As I said, this interview was same old same old. The biggest takeaway I got it from this interview was this idea about doing remakes of old hits with guest artists, which I don't think can even happen legally. Why there aren't 10 pages devoted to discussion about that? That's a hell of a lot more interesting than people flying into hysterics and dissecting how and why Mike used the word "probably" in a sentence.

I still love the old records. The high art all the way down to a good deal of the lard. I truly dig Kokomo. I still have affection, believe it or not, for about 50% of SIP tracks. I think the convo continues because it's baffling how some people want to defend the word "probably" when it's indefensible in context, and those defenders keep using roadblocks and diversions to avoid dealing with that truth.  Cam, for example, is backed into a corner of trying to explain why he agrees with the parameters of possibility (however remote) that Landy did not go too far (which "probably" implies) and remains silent to mine and Billy's last questions posed to him. He doesn't want to say that Landy maybe just maybe might not have gone too far, but he also doesn't want to disagree with Mike, hence the conundrum. 

#probably

[Wirestone]

Darian and Scott Bennett are awesome, but I'd just as soon see Brian take their spots back and give them to Al or Blondie or himself.

Does it really have to be either / or? I mean, Al and Blondie are members of BW's group this summer.

[Bill30022]

By would anybody be surprised by this?  He never has any problem saying what is on his mind. It is just unfortunate that the Wilson drug consumption occupies a major portion of his thoughts.

[Dave in KC]

Mike being such a devouted TM advocate, drugs are like mustard on ice cream.

[GhostyTMRS]

As for the Mike interview...meh. It's stuff he's said a million times over. He clearly doesn't want to go down in history as the one guy who hated "Pet Sounds". The reporter misrepresented his character in the film to him, Mike hasn't seen it, so it was a conversation about basically....nothing.
 

Nah, he wants to go down in history as the guy who found fault with and questioned the acid alliteration lyric words for the album after Pet Sounds (which he proudly owns up to doing), and who has a couple steadfast followers who oddly can't bring themselves to follow in his footsteps to even remotely question words.

Shouldn't that be what Mike's fans do? Question words that are of questionable appropriateness? His fans (all both of them) should do what 1966 Mike would do. Be like 1966 Mike and question away! If you're a troo fan of Mike, you'll learn by example. Untroo fan alert if you don't.

You'd have to ask a Mike fan. I'm a fan of The Beach Boys, meaning I've been exposed to dubious comments for the past 30 years from various members but...strangely enough...they never affect my enjoyment of the old albums. Mike's comments about VDP's lyrics never made me like those lyrics any less. Brian saying he hates his performance on "Let Him Run Wild" never stops me from thinking that it's possibly the very best singing he ever did. As I said, this interview was same old same old. The biggest takeaway I got it from this interview was this idea about doing remakes of old hits with guest artists, which I don't think can even happen legally. Why there aren't 10 pages devoted to discussion about that? That's a hell of a lot more interesting than people flying into hysterics and dissecting how and why Mike used the word "probably" in a sentence.

I still love the old records. The high art all the way down to a good deal of the lard. I truly dig Kokomo. I still have affection, believe it or not, for about 50% of SIP tracks. I think the convo continues because it's baffling how some people want to defend the word "probably" when it's indefensible in context, and those defenders keep using roadblocks and diversions to avoid dealing with that truth.  Cam, for example, is backed into a corner of trying to explain why he agrees with the parameters of possibility (however remote) that Landy did not go too far (which "probably" implies) and remains silent to mine and Billy's last questions posed to him. He doesn't want to say that Landy maybe just maybe might not have gone too far, but he also doesn't want to disagree with Mike, hence the conundrum. 

#probably

Do you guys have money riding on this or something? (that's a joke!)

[18thofMay]

Well at least Mike and his entourage have achieved their objective. Like when NPP landed, smoke and mirrors people, take the focus of Love and Mercy.

[GhostyTMRS]

Well at least Mike and his entourage have achieved their objective. Like when NPP landed, smoke and mirrors people, take the focus of Love and Mercy.

Only here on this board. Mike's interview hasn't registered a blip in the real world.

[Lee Marshall]

MOST of the "real world" hasn't got a clue who he is.

But then...that's the problem.

[rab2591]

1. The interviewer uses a quote from a reviewer about the movie regarding bickering during PS, Mike has just said he hasn't seen the movie and can't comment on it so he comments on how untrue the reviewer's characterization (and others) is about how it was with him and Brian during PS.  Not ridiculous at all, on topic and in context.

2. I didn't say anyone here HAD said anything different, I didn't see where anyone mentioned it at all but I haven't read every post.

3. See my post to EoL, please.

1. He doesn't comment on the reviewers perspective because he never denies the bickering. He just goes into a tangent about how he thinks people think he didn't want Pet Sounds released...and where he got that idea is beyond me.

2. Then why even bring it up?

3. Your post to EoL still makes no sense. You didn't need to be at a Landy therapy session to understand that changing your patients will to make you the main beneficiary is overstepping the bounds. Not to mention that Brian was visibly PHYSICALLY and more MENTALLY damaged under Landy's care. Saying "probably" to overstepping the bounds is ridiculous when faced with the obvious.

But defend away, Cam. As usual I was not disappointed by your solid logic and hard hitting points.

[Cam Mott]

1. The interviewer uses a quote from a reviewer about the movie regarding bickering during PS, Mike has just said he hasn't seen the movie and can't comment on it so he comments on how untrue the reviewer's characterization (and others) is about how it was with him and Brian during PS.  Not ridiculous at all, on topic and in context.

2. I didn't say anyone here HAD said anything different, I didn't see where anyone mentioned it at all but I haven't read every post.

3. See my post to EoL, please.

1. He doesn't comment on the reviewers perspective because he never denies the bickering. He just goes into a tangent about how he thinks people think he didn't want Pet Sounds released...and where he got that idea is beyond me.

2. Then why even bring it up?

3. Your post to EoL still makes no sense. You didn't need to be at a Landy therapy session to understand that changing your patients will to make you the main beneficiary is overstepping the bounds. Not to mention that Brian was visibly PHYSICALLY and more MENTALLY damaged under Landy's care. Saying "probably" to overstepping the bounds is ridiculous when faced with the obvious.

But defend away, Cam. As usual I was not disappointed by your solid logic and hard hitting points.

Well let me return the compliment because nothing you have said makes sense to me.

[SMiLE Brian]

You think Mike Love is never wrong- we get it Cam.

[Cam Mott]

Then, wouldn't that invalidate the 'probably ' part?

Not in my dictionary.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

You think Mike Love is never wrong- we get it Cam.

Cam would have such a better experience in the "Vibe Room", doncha think? He could rub shoulders and set up shop with myKe luHv, br00th and all his loyal devotees there and no one would question anything he says. Go ahead, Cam, there's loads of room over there and like the others there you only have to post once every 2 or 3 months!