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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2006, 09:41:02 PM »

I wonder what the other interested parts think about it. Brian has a releasable set of Wilson/Norberg demos, he doesn't have to go through BRI to do anything with them, but they are still sitting in the vault.

EDIT: And the Usher demos, the Paley recordings...
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2006, 06:44:55 AM »

Things are in the vault for a reason.

Jealously, obnoxiousness, and plain ol stupidity are part of your list? Remember, some of these tracks didnt make it because they didnt make the 'vote'...and were shot down to go with more conventional tracks.

I agree. Mike Love does not know what he's talking about. The BB are well known for being perhaps THE most foolhardy band in regards to what they release and don't release.
How many great tracks have come out in the last 15 years - Can't wait too long, Soulful old man sunshine, we're together again, games two can play etc., not to mention the great bootleggings of Smile, Adult child, Landlocked etc.
It may be that the best stuff has already been bootlegged but thats no reason not to release it officially and in good sound quality.
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2006, 07:08:40 AM »

I would love SACD mastered mixes of Adult/Child and Landlocked. I think its time they remaster every album and especially the bootlegged stuff in the vault. That would be worth purchasing then anymore 'best of' compilations.
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2006, 03:22:23 PM »

I think the trouble is that they have no sense of objectivity regarding their unreleased material whatsoever.

They've been too close to the unreleased stuff for too long to form any opinion as to whether it's good, so-so or just plain crap.

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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2006, 03:52:29 PM »

I would love to have an official cd release of the Wilson/Norberg demos. I would love to hear Thank Him in remastered crystal clear sound. My bootleg copy sounds like sh*t.
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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2006, 06:25:01 PM »

.......I know how you feel, but do you hear what you're saying? You want demos released as part of the official catalog. Put yourself in the artist's place.....If they don't want that as official releases, shouldn't we respect their wishes? There are 79 other ways to get these tracks, people...C'MON!!!!!!
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2006, 09:03:08 PM »

Regarding the local newspaper interview comments, I'm not sure if a reference to the record company being desperate would be applicable in the case of this potential beachboyscentral website. Obviously there isn't much concrete info to go by, but I thought that part of the idea behind the website was for the group/Brother to circumvent trying to sell record labels on issuing relatively obscure material that won't sell terribly well by simply issuing the material themselves. Isn't Alan Boyd's work in the vaults related to Brother as opposed to Capitol, etc.? Perhaps Capitol has been pressing the group on unreleased material and that is what the interview references, but I can't see how such a comment applies to Alan Boyd working in the Brother vaults and trying to get the band's own website up and running to sell its own music on its own.

It is troubling that the project that has been discussed the most is the "Warmth of the Sun" CD, which is just a "Best of What We Left Off Of Sounds of Summer" disc, although I won't be surprised if a remix or two or something semi-"new" is added to that so we need to buy it. Then there will be the CD/DVD deluxe version issued the following summer, etc.

I'm also a bit perplexed by both the question and answer regarding the proposition of releasing previously unreleased material considering the amount of unreleased material that has been issued in the last 16 years:

-Bonus Tracks on Two-Fers
-Bonus Tracks on GV Boxed Set
-Pet Sounds Sessions Boxed Set
-Endless Harmony Soundtrack
-Hawthorne, CA set
-Knebworth 1980 CD
-Songs From Here & Back
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2006, 10:54:04 PM »

I would love SACD mastered mixes of Adult/Child and Landlocked.

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2008, 10:17:50 PM »

So what's the latest on this site??  Is it ever gonna open...please?   angel     
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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2008, 10:45:29 PM »

It'll open in 2012.
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« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2008, 12:09:14 AM »

December 21st, 2012. We'll all hear Wouldn't It Be Nice to Live Again before they finally start up the Large Hadron Collider and the world explodes.
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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2008, 08:02:12 AM »

I would think Love could look to Dylan as a model of these things - the bootleg series continues to make available outtakes of Dylan's work from throughout his career, including live concerts - and many artists (most) make exclusive download tracks available as well.  It may be that the money these releases/downloads would generate just isn't enough to interest the Lovester.
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« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2008, 08:07:25 AM »

I would think Love could look to Dylan as a model of these things - the bootleg series continues to make available outtakes of Dylan's work from throughout his career, including live concerts - and many artists (most) make exclusive download tracks available as well.  It may be that the money these releases/downloads would generate just isn't enough to interest the Lovester.


Is Mike really the reason that the site isn't up yet?
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« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2008, 10:38:11 AM »

I would think Love could look to Dylan as a model of these things - the bootleg series continues to make available outtakes of Dylan's work from throughout his career, including live concerts - and many artists (most) make exclusive download tracks available as well.  It may be that the money these releases/downloads would generate just isn't enough to interest the Lovester.


Is Mike really the reason that the site isn't up yet?
Whenever there's a problem in the Beach Boys world, Mike gets the blame.
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« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2008, 06:46:06 PM »

I would think Love could look to Dylan as a model of these things - the bootleg series continues to make available outtakes of Dylan's work from throughout his career, including live concerts - and many artists (most) make exclusive download tracks available as well.  It may be that the money these releases/downloads would generate just isn't enough to interest the Lovester.


Is Mike really the reason that the site isn't up yet?
Whenever there's a problem in the Beach Boys world, Mike gets the blame.
Indeed. Why isn't Brian releasing his early 60s solo demos, the Usher sessions, Sweet insanity, the Paley sessions? He doesn't need Mike's aproval to let those out.
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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2008, 11:12:30 PM »

I would think Love could look to Dylan as a model of these things - the bootleg series continues to make available outtakes of Dylan's work from throughout his career, including live concerts - and many artists (most) make exclusive download tracks available as well.  It may be that the money these releases/downloads would generate just isn't enough to interest the Lovester.


Is Mike really the reason that the site isn't up yet?
Whenever there's a problem in the Beach Boys world, Mike gets the blame.
Indeed. Why isn't Brian releasing his early 60s solo demos, the Usher sessions, Sweet insanity, the Paley sessions? He doesn't need Mike's aproval to let those out.

Dont think Melinda wants it released.
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2008, 07:44:41 AM »

All the Beach boys corporation partners would have to sign off on any download/archival releases - that would be Carl's heirs, Melinda (for Brian), Mike, and Alan.  Don't think Alan would object to anything being released unless it was a song of his that he felt was subpar - and there's not much in the vault that's his.  If Boyd and Leaf put something together, I would think Melinda would get behind it - and Brian would do it if Melinda was behind it.  Carl's heirs are unlikely to block such an endeavor.  So you do the math.

Another sticking point might be Capitol, Sire, Reprise - in particular what compensation they may want for unreleased songs  if they paid for the original sessions?  I'm not sure how that would play out legally.
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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2008, 08:23:39 AM »

Don't think Alan would object to anything being released unless it was a song of his that he felt was subpar - and there's not much in the vault that's his.

Alan vetoed Loop de Loop's inclusion in the GV box set.

If Boyd and Leaf put something together, I would think Melinda would get behind it - and Brian would do it if Melinda was behind it.

Brian vetoed Let Him Run Wild's inclusion in the GV box set. While there were about 30 minutes of unreleased Smile in the box set, the compilers were afraid to try to include more - like the legendary Fire track - that could have stirred the pot with Brian.

Carl's heirs are unlikely to block such an endeavor.

Point taken. While Carl vetoed Soulful Oldman Sunshine in 93, his heirs let it out in 98.

So you do the math.

Done. The math and the scientific method tell me that Al and Brian are more likely to resist archival releases than Mike and Carl's heirs.  Cheesy
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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2008, 08:27:06 AM »

Let's face it. The only way we're going to hear what we want is when all the band members are dead.
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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2008, 09:47:00 AM »

I would think Love could look to Dylan as a model of these things - the bootleg series continues to make available outtakes of Dylan's work from throughout his career, including live concerts - and many artists (most) make exclusive download tracks available as well.  It may be that the money these releases/downloads would generate just isn't enough to interest the Lovester.


Is Mike really the reason that the site isn't up yet?
Whenever there's a problem in the Beach Boys world, Mike gets the blame.
Indeed. Why isn't Brian releasing his early 60s solo demos, the Usher sessions, Sweet insanity, the Paley sessions? He doesn't need Mike's approval to let those out.

Dont think Melinda wants it released.

How do we know that Brian himself isn't saying no? Why is Melinda always scapegoated? Brian is probably more in control of his life than some people may think. I'm not saying he's totally "all there", given all the sh*t he's been through in his life, but Melinda's not exactly Gene Landy.
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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2008, 09:50:18 AM »

No, she's Melinda! Far worse. She's a woman with Landy-esque power over Brian. Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2008, 10:19:48 AM »

It's hard to compare The Beach Boys' unreleased stuff with Bob Dylan's. Almost every song on Dylan's new Bootleg Series release, Tell Tale Signs, is good, some very good. Some people might even find the alternate/demo stuff superior to the released versions, thus, enhancing Dylan's musical reputation. Don't we already have the "cream of the crop" of the unreleased Beach Boys' catalogue? While there's obviously a few gems left to be uncovered, they probably don't want to run the risk of putting out crap, simply as "product". 

I think you have to be careful with material like the Usher Project, Sweet Insanity, and even the Wilson/Paley sessions. While diehards like us can't get enough of ANY Beach Boys/Brian Wilson unreleased music, I think the general listening public would be turned off by it. You would be running the risk of actually hurting Brian's reputation and legacy. There are reasons why things are unreleased.

The same thing would apply to the concerts. The Beach Boys weren't always the greatest singers and musicians - live - and you'd have to be very selective in which post-1976 concerts you would want to release to the general public. It's one thing to actually be there in person, soaking up the music, and another thing listen to it later.

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« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2008, 11:23:54 AM »

I would think Love could look to Dylan as a model of these things - the bootleg series continues to make available outtakes of Dylan's work from throughout his career, including live concerts - and many artists (most) make exclusive download tracks available as well.  It may be that the money these releases/downloads would generate just isn't enough to interest the Lovester.
Is Mike really the reason that the site isn't up yet?
Whenever there's a problem in the Beach Boys world, Mike gets the blame.
Indeed. Why isn't Brian releasing his early 60s solo demos, the Usher sessions, Sweet insanity, the Paley sessions? He doesn't need Mike's approval to let those out.

Dont think Melinda wants it released.

How do we know that Brian himself isn't saying no? Why is Melinda always scapegoated? Brian is probably more in control of his life than some people may think. I'm not saying he's totally "all there", given all the merda he's been through in his life, but Melinda's not exactly Gene Landy.

Dont get me wrong here. It's good that Brian has a steady force behind him. When i look at recent interviews Melinda decides whats good for Brian and whats not.

I seen enough concert performances where Brian looks like he doesnt want to be there, but because Melinda and more people say its good, he does his job.
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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2008, 11:42:34 AM »

Dang, seeing this thread bumped to the top made me think there was actual news about the site opening.....
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« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2008, 12:12:44 PM »

I'm not sure if this figures into this subject, but if you go to www.surfermoon.com, look in the Beach Boys/Brian Wilson folder, find the Smile Questions thread, look for Bob Hanes' posts on page 2 of the thread.  I know The Right Reverend Bob used to post here, but hasn't in awhile.  Perhaps Alan Boyd can provide some more information regarding this subject. 
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