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« on: May 20, 2015, 10:51:45 PM »

... I'm wondering who the usual suspects would hate instead. Nominations ?
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2015, 11:04:16 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2015, 11:06:14 PM »

Al. Already is for some mopes.
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2015, 11:37:19 PM »

I'm guessing it would be anyone who didn't have Wilson for a last name.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2015, 11:45:27 PM »


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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2015, 11:57:42 PM »

... I'm wondering who the usual suspects would hate instead. Nominations ?

We might not have a band called The BBs which lasted any significant length of time, and they might not have gotten famous in the early days without a frontman like he was when they needed one.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2015, 12:15:12 AM »


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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2015, 12:59:50 AM »

I think Murry would get even more of a lashing!!  Evil
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2015, 01:14:38 AM »

To be fair, I'm a fan of many, many bands and there's no-one who divides their own fanbase quite like Mike...
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2015, 01:17:41 AM »

If Mike wasn't in the band they'd be called The Beach Boy.  
The only possible nomination would be Bruce.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2015, 03:19:50 AM »

If Mike wasn't in the band, would he be the most hated gas station attendant in greater Los Angeles area?
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2015, 03:46:06 AM »

To be fair, I'm a fan of many, many bands and there's no-one who divides their own fanbase quite like Mike...

What about Roger Waters or Phil Collins? Not the same but both of those guys have detractors who still like the band as a whole
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2015, 03:46:44 AM »

The one who had no musical or artistic integrity and continually mistreated and under-appreciated the guy who saved him from pumping gas for the rest of his life.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2015, 04:08:05 AM »

To be fair, I'm a fan of many, many bands and there's no-one who divides their own fanbase quite like Mike...

What about Roger Waters or Phil Collins? Not the same but both of those guys have detractors who still like the band as a whole

Must be something about having an amiable, easy-going attitude to life  LOL
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2015, 04:16:02 AM »

To be fair, I'm a fan of many, many bands and there's no-one who divides their own fanbase quite like Mike...

The Roger Waters/David Gilmour 'thing' ain't pretty.  THAT kind of animosity doesn't seem to exist with Brian and Mike.  Some perhaps...but THAT much?  Doubtful.  Paul and John weren't exactly best buddies when they parted company either.  [How Do You Sleep?  Lying down with my eyes closed stupid. Wink]

I do believe Mike gets WAY more credit than he's due as a front man.  Nowadays?  OK.  He pretty much has to do it.  But back in the day?  I thought much of what he did was ridiculous...and really extra-specially goofy looking and sounding. [and "goofy" is being extra nice.]  Mike Love just wasn't at all cool.  When Jack moved Mike back off of the front and centre spot and he became more of the band and less of the centre-shot I thought that the Beach Boys were A LOT cooler.  Then came the 15 Bigguns tour and there he was back in the spotlight and...yikes!!!...there they were sounding like dorks again.  Somehow he finally figured out that he VERY MUCH needed to tone himself down.

ALL that said...Brian was the musical ying.  Mike the yang.  Together they came together to make the sound [by spring '63 and the Surfin' USA album] which made the group successful.  Salt and Pepper.  Smooth and rough.  And collectively brilliant.  Without BOTH of them there wouldn't have been the success and especially the staying power.  Mike, in spite of his 'front man' deficiencies, is certainly a KEY ingredient.  He just needs to keep his extracurricular yap glued shut.
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 04:49:37 AM »

Haven't we paid enough for Pearl Harbor?
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2015, 07:00:56 AM »

I wouldn't hate anybody, Mike Love is a douchbag and deserves the hate.
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 07:22:33 AM »

To be fair, I'm a fan of many, many bands and there's no-one who divides their own fanbase quite like Mike...

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2015, 07:31:08 AM »

If he wasn't in the band the band might not exist. And that would be a shame.
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2015, 08:13:42 AM »

If Mike wasn't in the band, would he be the most hated gas station attendant in greater Los Angeles area?

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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2015, 08:17:14 AM »

... I'm wondering who the usual suspects would hate instead. Nominations ?

You're framing it as if the people who dislike Mike need to hate anybody. As if they enjoy hating SOMEONE, ANYONE and Mike is an easy target so they latch unto him. Really tho, there's many a valid reason to dislike Mike. Thats all there is to it. No matter how much it gets underplayed by most here, no matter how much the "club kokomo" crowd try to muddle the issue, hes done some things that were bad for the band and bad in general which is why he gets hate. Sure, the others have their faults to, but in my perception (and Im hardly alone on this) not to the same degree, and they have redeeming qualities. Mike does too, but it's his general attitude...his constant self-congratulations and always bringing up other people's shortcomings (whether prompted to or not) that really rubs people the wrong way and makes him come off like a complete ass.

I understand why people like him, but is it really so hard to see why people hate him? For my money, Im in the middle...possibly leaning more towards the disapproval side.
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2015, 08:25:09 AM »

I have to agree with a previous post that I can't really think of a fanbase that has such strong disdain a member of that very same band, especially one who wasn't just a quickie short-term member or something.

The question becomes, why is this? As with everything else, you can read it both ways. Are fans unreasonably hostile? Or is Mike really that deplorable?

I think it's much more the latter, unfortunately. And I truly mean that; it is unfortunate. Yes, some fans take it to extremes (as some "pro-Mike" fans have done on this forum as well, e.g. Al "putting a hatchet" in the backs of other members, etc.), and some outright false assumptions and "truths" that aren't really "truths" have been trotted out to vilify Mike over the years.

But there's also a TON of, in my opinion, valid reasons why Mike is criticized. I'd say Mike's actions/attitude/vibe came first, and then the fan animosity came after that. The fan animosity wasn't cooked up out of nowhere. Yes, in some cases, the animosity arose from exaggerating the degree to which Mike was responsible (e.g. "Smile"). But time and time again, among some of the fans who have gone out of their way to desperately try to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and give him "another chance", he'll pop up in some interview and come across as a total d**k. And there's only so many times and so many ways it can explained away by the myriad of reasons I've seen ("he just has a really wry sense of humor", or "he's just a straight shooter", etc.) He appears to have a HUGE complex about not getting enough credit. I don't think I've ever seen someone as *obviously successful* and well-off come across as so disenfranchised in interviews. The guy is insanely wealthy, he has FULL control over his touring band, has managed to secure the cash cow that is the license to the BB name, he's the lead singer on NUMEROUS huge hits, he's part of a band that has been #1 on the "best singles of all time" and "best albums of all time" lists, and the list goes on and on. But he still has a bone to pick, often over stuff that nobody else seems to still be stuck on, and in some cases things that were rectified *in his favor* decades ago (the songwriting lawsuit, which he still complains about 20 years after WINNING the suit).

I would say that, on the whole, it is Mike's own actions and attitude that have caused him to be arguably the most vilified person among his band's own fans. The he let the whole C50 thing go down the way it didn't help his case at all.  

As I've said before, I'm personally very wary of someone who will *never* admit they did something wrong, or that they have a fault. Not just mentioning that they participated in something that didn't do well, or regret what *other* people did. I'm talking about saying "I did X one time, and that was wrong, I was wrong."
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2015, 08:27:46 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2015, 08:39:43 AM »

When it comes to the things that some fans find objectionable about Mike, I think a good hunk of it is “style” rather than “substance.” Make no mistake, the majority of it is substance. But the “style” is a part of it as well. That is something Mike actually *could* work on. Nobody should completely fake their personality or compromise who they are. But if you continue to be vilified; if people continue to think you’re coming across as a d**k in interviews, then at least a modicum of self-reflection rather than pure defensiveness would help.

If Mike stopped and said, “Hrrrrm. Maybe decades after the death of Dennis and Carl, and after decades of Brian being clean, maybe I should stop CONSTANTLY raising the issue of their drug and alcohol use. Maybe that would be hurtful to the Wilson family, and/or fans will think I’m an a**hole for talking about such personal and sensitive matters, especially when they’ve been discussed to death (literally) in the past, and the Wilsons admitted how problematic drugs and alcohol were and are.”

Touching on what another poster said, I think we should always re-examine how we’re expressing feelings about these guys. But I don’t understand how someone could have any degree of incredulity when it comes to wondering *why* a segment of fans seem to have negative feelings about Mike.

I think some fans, especially the more analytical fans, don’t even “dislike” or “hate” Mike. Rather, they simply aren’t opposed to criticizing him, and may actively do so.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2015, 09:25:00 AM »

...there would be no band.
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