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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2015, 09:39:07 AM »

Until the books started to appear towards the mid-70s, I never knew nothing of their personalities and such, except for what they wrote on the back of their album covers. Mike came off as smug to me, though I am not sure why. It wasn't until Leaf's book that I started to take a dislike to him. Yet, once I realized Leaf had an agenda, I never again based my likes/dislikes on any of the books and articles that followed over the years. Like all of us, they have their good points and bad points and viewed them as "they are what they are". I will say that I always most identified with Brian earlier in my fandom and then later with Carl once he took prominence in the band.
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2015, 09:43:07 AM »

It's kind of sad that so many people's views of one man is based upon the agenda of just another fan.
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2015, 09:54:11 AM »

It's kind of sad that so many people's views of one man is based upon the agenda of just another fan.
I bought that book not knowing that it really wasn't about the Beach Boys. It was a book about Brian Wilson and the five assholes. I was very dismayed, to say the least. Like every book, there usually has to be a hero and a villain. Mike made the perfect villain in the Beach Boys' story. He and Dennis were the alpha dogs in the band and of course Mike being the front-man had the most visibility.
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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2015, 10:35:05 AM »

... I'm wondering who the usual suspects would hate instead. Nominations ?

You're framing it as if the people who dislike Mike need to hate anybody. As if they enjoy hating SOMEONE, ANYONE and Mike is an easy target so they latch unto him. Really tho, there's many a valid reason to dislike Mike. Thats all there is to it. No matter how much it gets underplayed by most here, no matter how much the "club kokomo" crowd try to muddle the issue, hes done some things that were bad for the band and bad in general which is why he gets hate. Sure, the others have their faults to, but in my perception (and Im hardly alone on this) not to the same degree, and they have redeeming qualities. Mike does too, but it's his general attitude...his constant self-congratulations and always bringing up other people's shortcomings (whether prompted to or not) that really rubs people the wrong way and makes him come off like a complete ass.

I understand why people like him, but is it really so hard to see why people hate him? For my money, Im in the middle...possibly leaning more towards the disapproval side.

This. It sucks to have a band which one deeply loves contain a band member who is both so vilified, as well as who does so many actions which, if not always on the level of the wrath they incur, are still worthy of major headshaking and eyerolls. It is not what I wish was reality, nor would this person's absence create a magical need to shift frustrations onto another bandmember.

If the implication of this thread is that people somehow "need" or "want" to have issues or dislike a given band member in a band... well, I do not think that is true in the slightest. There are numerous bands which I also adore and I have no major issues with how the various bandmembers seem to conduct themselves. (And there are also some others which I do; case by case). Fans don't go actively looking for someone in their favorite band to dump on. That's a ridiculous implication, if that's what the implication is. It *just so happens* that this band has a bandmember who is a magnet for controversy. If Mike didn't exist, but the band still happened to have gotten to a similar level of fame and subsequent discussion (which I think is unlikely, because Mike was vital to the band's early success, just as Murry was), people would probably be talking about Murry and Landy more, perhaps. But since they've been dead for a good length of time, they would no longer continually be stirring up stuff in current times.

I also think that the Kokomaoist extremists unintentionally cause a lot of hate to come out of the other side. Especially with the Kokomaoist extremists' frequent brief, one sentence sarcastic responses to well-thought out and nuanced discussion. When some people will defend anything that one given person does, and/or just sit back quietly and NEVER proactively say something to the effect of "you have a good point there" when a good critical point is made, well let's just say that this creates more fury; never backing down from a defensive stance just makes people feel they have more convincing to do.

(Fully expecting a Kokomaoist extremist to chime in with a sarcastic, childlike, one-sentence response here, ignoring and avoiding all the other points made in this post and this thread).
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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2015, 11:00:56 AM »

... I'm wondering who the usual suspects would hate instead. Nominations ?

You're framing it as if the people who dislike Mike need to hate anybody. As if they enjoy hating SOMEONE, ANYONE and Mike is an easy target so they latch unto him. Really tho, there's many a valid reason to dislike Mike. Thats all there is to it. No matter how much it gets underplayed by most here, no matter how much the "club kokomo" crowd try to muddle the issue, hes done some things that were bad for the band and bad in general which is why he gets hate. Sure, the others have their faults to, but in my perception (and Im hardly alone on this) not to the same degree, and they have redeeming qualities. Mike does too, but it's his general attitude...his constant self-congratulations and always bringing up other people's shortcomings (whether prompted to or not) that really rubs people the wrong way and makes him come off like a complete ass.

I understand why people like him, but is it really so hard to see why people hate him? For my money, Im in the middle...possibly leaning more towards the disapproval side.

This. It sucks to have a band which one deeply loves contain a band member who is both so vilified, as well as who does so many actions which, if not always on the level of the wrath they incur, are still worthy of major headshaking and eyerolls. It is not what I wish was reality, nor would this person's absence create a magical need to shift frustrations onto another bandmember.

If the implication of this thread is that people somehow "need" or "want" to have issues or dislike a given band member in a band... well, I do not think that is true in the slightest. There are numerous bands which I also adore and I have no major issues with how the various bandmembers seem to conduct themselves. Fans don't go actively looking for someone in their favorite band to dump on. That's a ridiculous implication, if that's what the implication is. It *just so happens* that this band has a bandmember who is a magnet for controversy. If Mike didn't exist, but the band still happened to have gotten to a similar level of fame and subsequent discussion (which I think is unlikely, because Mike was vital to the band's early success, just as Murry was), people would probably be talking about Murry and Landy more, perhaps. But since they've been dead for a good length of time, they would no longer continually be stirring up stuff in current times.

I also think that the Kokomaoist extremists unintentionally cause a lot of hate to come out of the other side. When some people will defend anything that one given person does, and/or just sit back quietly and NEVER proactively say something to the effect of "you have a good point there" when a good critical point is made, well let's just say that this creates more fury; never backing down from a defensive stance just makes people feel they have more convincing to do.

Both of these posts sum up my thoughts perfectly. I'm a huge fan of many different bands and I don't activity seek out an antagonist to vilify. Why would I? I'd rather just enjoy the music. That being said, Mike has done PLENTY to justify the certain level of irritation that some fans feel about the man.

Books, legends, stories from this site aside: I implore any Mike apologist to read Mike's latest string of interviews...If Ringo Starr started saying publicly that Paul McCartney was controlled and on prescription meds, made a negative implication about a Paul solo song before he even heard it, made a passive aggressive comment about Paul's current singing voice, ALL FOR NO REASON AT ALL would it really surprise anyone if people started disliking Ringo?
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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2015, 11:20:27 AM »

... I'm wondering who the usual suspects would hate instead. Nominations ?

You're framing it as if the people who dislike Mike need to hate anybody. As if they enjoy hating SOMEONE, ANYONE and Mike is an easy target so they latch unto him. Really tho, there's many a valid reason to dislike Mike. Thats all there is to it. No matter how much it gets underplayed by most here, no matter how much the "club kokomo" crowd try to muddle the issue, hes done some things that were bad for the band and bad in general which is why he gets hate. Sure, the others have their faults to, but in my perception (and Im hardly alone on this) not to the same degree, and they have redeeming qualities. Mike does too, but it's his general attitude...his constant self-congratulations and always bringing up other people's shortcomings (whether prompted to or not) that really rubs people the wrong way and makes him come off like a complete ass.

I understand why people like him, but is it really so hard to see why people hate him? For my money, Im in the middle...possibly leaning more towards the disapproval side.

This. It sucks to have a band which one deeply loves contain a band member who is both so vilified, as well as who does so many actions which, if not always on the level of the wrath they incur, are still worthy of major headshaking and eyerolls. It is not what I wish was reality, nor would this person's absence create a magical need to shift frustrations onto another bandmember.

If the implication of this thread is that people somehow "need" or "want" to have issues or dislike a given band member in a band... well, I do not think that is true in the slightest. There are numerous bands which I also adore and I have no major issues with how the various bandmembers seem to conduct themselves. Fans don't go actively looking for someone in their favorite band to dump on. That's a ridiculous implication, if that's what the implication is. It *just so happens* that this band has a bandmember who is a magnet for controversy. If Mike didn't exist, but the band still happened to have gotten to a similar level of fame and subsequent discussion (which I think is unlikely, because Mike was vital to the band's early success, just as Murry was), people would probably be talking about Murry and Landy more, perhaps. But since they've been dead for a good length of time, they would no longer continually be stirring up stuff in current times.

I also think that the Kokomaoist extremists unintentionally cause a lot of hate to come out of the other side. When some people will defend anything that one given person does, and/or just sit back quietly and NEVER proactively say something to the effect of "you have a good point there" when a good critical point is made, well let's just say that this creates more fury; never backing down from a defensive stance just makes people feel they have more convincing to do.

Both of these posts sum up my thoughts perfectly. I'm a huge fan of many different bands and I don't activity seek out an antagonist to vilify. Why would I? I'd rather just enjoy the music. That being said, Mike has done PLENTY to justify the certain level of irritation that some fans feel about the man.

Books, legends, stories from this site aside: I implore any Mike apologist to read Mike's latest string of interviews...If Ringo Starr started saying publicly that Paul McCartney was controlled and on prescription meds, made a negative implication about a Paul solo song before he even heard it, made a passive aggressive comment about Paul's current singing voice, ALL FOR NO REASON AT ALL would it really surprise anyone if people started disliking Ringo?

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2015, 11:28:01 AM »

I honestly believe that Mike Love would not be very attractive in drag. Of course it would give him the opportunity to wear a wig while performing which might be worth the ticket price.



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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2015, 11:40:56 AM »

I honestly believe that Mike Love is a vicious asshole. I wish he hadn't ever been in the band. His singing (especially in the bass register) is the most out of tune of the members (bar Brian post 1975). Rieley should have booted his ass out of the band along with Bruce back in '71. Brainless jock idiots. Soul sucking jerks.

However, I will try to say a couple of nice things about Mike fucking asshat Love:

01) His put down on Mick Jagger was great. Anus to anus.

02) Um, that's actually all I can think of for now. The dude is a giant tumor. When he dies, there will be a long line of people waiting to piss on his grave.

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P.S. Try googling the words "mike love asshole" and you will come across pages and pages about why he is such a disgrace:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=mike+love+asshole

And then there is the chapter in the Stebbins FAQ book.

It is this kind of c**p, along with the earlier d-bag comment, that keeps me away from this board for weeks or months at a time.
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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2015, 11:43:06 AM »

... I'm wondering who the usual suspects would hate instead. Nominations ?

You're framing it as if the people who dislike Mike need to hate anybody. As if they enjoy hating SOMEONE, ANYONE and Mike is an easy target so they latch unto him. Really tho, there's many a valid reason to dislike Mike. Thats all there is to it. No matter how much it gets underplayed by most here, no matter how much the "club kokomo" crowd try to muddle the issue, hes done some things that were bad for the band and bad in general which is why he gets hate. Sure, the others have their faults to, but in my perception (and Im hardly alone on this) not to the same degree, and they have redeeming qualities. Mike does too, but it's his general attitude...his constant self-congratulations and always bringing up other people's shortcomings (whether prompted to or not) that really rubs people the wrong way and makes him come off like a complete ass.

I understand why people like him, but is it really so hard to see why people hate him? For my money, Im in the middle...possibly leaning more towards the disapproval side.

This. It sucks to have a band which one deeply loves contain a band member who is both so vilified, as well as who does so many actions which, if not always on the level of the wrath they incur, are still worthy of major headshaking and eyerolls. It is not what I wish was reality, nor would this person's absence create a magical need to shift frustrations onto another bandmember.

If the implication of this thread is that people somehow "need" or "want" to have issues or dislike a given band member in a band... well, I do not think that is true in the slightest. There are numerous bands which I also adore and I have no major issues with how the various bandmembers seem to conduct themselves. (And there are also some others which I do; case by case). Fans don't go actively looking for someone in their favorite band to dump on. That's a ridiculous implication, if that's what the implication is. It *just so happens* that this band has a bandmember who is a magnet for controversy. If Mike didn't exist, but the band still happened to have gotten to a similar level of fame and subsequent discussion (which I think is unlikely, because Mike was vital to the band's early success, just as Murry was), people would probably be talking about Murry and Landy more, perhaps. But since they've been dead for a good length of time, they would no longer continually be stirring up stuff in current times.

I also think that the Kokomaoist extremists unintentionally cause a lot of hate to come out of the other side. Especially with the Kokomaoist extremists' frequent brief, one sentence sarcastic responses to well-thought out and nuanced discussion. When some people will defend anything that one given person does, and/or just sit back quietly and NEVER proactively say something to the effect of "you have a good point there" when a good critical point is made, well let's just say that this creates more fury; never backing down from a defensive stance just makes people feel they have more convincing to do.

(Fully expecting a Kokomaoist extremist to chime in with a sarcastic, childlike, one-sentence response here, ignoring and avoiding all the other points made in this post and this thread).
From the other side, you third paragraph rings true for Brianista's too. Picking sides can only result in this type of behavior. Human nature, I suppose. I may like certain band members more than others, but I dislike none of them. For better or worse, they are The Beach Boys for Christ's sake.
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2015, 11:46:41 AM »

I honestly believe that Mike Love is a vicious asshole. I wish he hadn't ever been in the band. His singing (especially in the bass register) is the most out of tune of the members (bar Brian post 1975). Rieley should have booted his ass out of the band along with Bruce back in '71. Brainless jock idiots. Soul sucking jerks.

However, I will try to say a couple of nice things about Mike fucking asshat Love:

01) His put down on Mick Jagger was great. Anus to anus.

02) Um, that's actually all I can think of for now. The dude is a giant tumor. When he dies, there will be a long line of people waiting to piss on his grave.

 Grin

P.S. Try googling the words "mike love asshole" and you will come across pages and pages about why he is such a disgrace:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=mike+love+asshole

And then there is the chapter in the Stebbins FAQ book.

It is this kind of c**p, along with the earlier d-bag comment, that keeps me away from this board for weeks or months at a time.
I agree. That is WAY over the line.
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2015, 12:01:00 PM »

I honestly believe that Mike Love is a vicious asshole. I wish he hadn't ever been in the band. His singing (especially in the bass register) is the most out of tune of the members (bar Brian post 1975). Rieley should have booted his ass out of the band along with Bruce back in '71. Brainless jock idiots. Soul sucking jerks.

However, I will try to say a couple of nice things about Mike fucking asshat Love:

01) His put down on Mick Jagger was great. Anus to anus.

02) Um, that's actually all I can think of for now. The dude is a giant tumor. When he dies, there will be a long line of people waiting to piss on his grave.

 Grin

P.S. Try googling the words "mike love asshole" and you will come across pages and pages about why he is such a disgrace:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=mike+love+asshole

And then there is the chapter in the Stebbins FAQ book.

It is this kind of c**p, along with the earlier d-bag comment, that keeps me away from this board for weeks or months at a time.
I agree. That is WAY over the line.

Thirded. Way over the line indeed.

And I've been equated to being the flipside of the single most extremist Kokomaoist on this board? That's a laugh.

(Now let's see how many extreme Kokomoaists will go out of their way to specifically point out that a Mike Love defender is going way over the line the next time it happens... My guess is zero).
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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2015, 12:04:23 PM »

I honestly believe that Mike Love is a vicious asshole. I wish he hadn't ever been in the band. His singing (especially in the bass register) is the most out of tune of the members (bar Brian post 1975). Rieley should have booted his ass out of the band along with Bruce back in '71. Brainless jock idiots. Soul sucking jerks.

However, I will try to say a couple of nice things about Mike fucking asshat Love:

01) His put down on Mick Jagger was great. Anus to anus.

02) Um, that's actually all I can think of for now. The dude is a giant tumor. When he dies, there will be a long line of people waiting to piss on his grave.

 Grin

P.S. Try googling the words "mike love asshole" and you will come across pages and pages about why he is such a disgrace:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=mike+love+asshole

And then there is the chapter in the Stebbins FAQ book.

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« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2015, 12:21:23 PM »

I added a "smiley". That doesn't count for anything?
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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2015, 12:43:48 PM »

I added a "smiley". That doesn't count for anything?

Worked for me. Wink
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« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2015, 12:48:22 PM »

I added a "smiley". That doesn't count for anything?

idk, but I think that was an interesting point about Rieley kicking Mike out of the band at least. Would that have been possible? Honestly, I think by that point he had done all he could to help them and from then on he was dead weight, more or less. Could Dennis have filled in as a frontman by then? Carl? Blondie or Ricky?
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« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2015, 12:54:19 PM »

I got the 'feel' that Carl was in charge up on stage when Jack was around.  They didn't NEED a front man.  They were the Beach Boys for goodness sake.  By then everyone sang leads...including Blondie.  They had seemingly become a band of equals musically speaking.  The front man thing was old school and one didn't need a guy tip-toeing/swishing around and mock-lisping on stage.  It detracted from the music gigantically.  So Jack made it STOP.  And then...he left...and...

Example?  Listen to Live in London.  Or check out Mike prancing around in his dumb as sh*t sailor captain hat in front of the good ship 15 Bigguns.  Suddenly it was 1963 all over again...with longer hair.  Awful freakin' stuff.

Thank gawd he doesn't do that sh*t now.

[by the way it bugged me just as much when Jagger used to pull that stupid twaddle.  The thing is we all know Mick didn't 'lift' the concept from Michael Edward.  Mind you I kind of found Mike annoying as the 'front man' back BEFORE he started trying to do his version of the Mick thing.  I am convinced Mike only 'got' the responsibility 'cause NO ONE else in the band could have done it way back when.  Too young.  Too shy.  Too incapable.  And Denny was way at the back sitting behind the drums.  T'was the absolute WEAKEST part of the group from the beginning...that and the 'wardrobe']
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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2015, 01:02:49 PM »

Plus his stage banter got unbearable to listen to. Just droning in for ages about stupid sh*t.
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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2015, 01:18:39 PM »

I got the 'feel' that Carl was in charge up on stage when Jack was around.  They didn't NEED a front man.  They were the Beach Boys for goodness sake.  By then everyone sang leads...including Blondie.  They had seemingly become a band of equals musically speaking.  The front man thing was old school and one didn't need a guy tip-toeing/swishing around and mock-lisping on stage.  It detracted from the music gigantically.  So Jack made it STOP.  And then...he left...and...

Example?  Listen to Live in London.  Or check out Mike prancing around in his dumb as sh*t sailor captain hat in front of the good ship 15 Bigguns.  Suddenly it was 1963 all over again...with longer hair.  Awful freakin' stuff.

Thank gawd he doesn't do that sh*t now.

[by the way it bugged me just as much when Jagger used to pull that stupid twaddle.  The thing is we all know Mick didn't 'lift' the concept from Michael Edward.  Mind you I kind of found Mike annoying as the 'front man' back BEFORE he started trying to do his version of the Mick thing.  I am convinced Mike only 'got' the responsibility 'cause NO ONE else in the band could have done it way back when.  Too young.  Too shy.  Too incapable.  And Denny was way at the back sitting behind the drums.  T'was the absolute WEAKEST part of the group from the beginning...that and the 'wardrobe']
In 1976, what Mike was wearing and doing was mild for the times. There was some wild, over the top sh*t going on in the 70's. Queen, Bowie and all the Glam Rock stuff. Not to mention all the Disco and Funk-A-Delic stuff too.
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2015, 01:21:14 PM »

Plus his stage banter got unbearable to listen to. Just droning in for ages about stupid sh*t.

Thats what I mean. Combined with not writing any good songs past oh say 1967 or '68...was he really needed anymore at that point?
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2015, 01:22:47 PM »

I GET that Doc.  100%.  But that was a new segment/genre in the biz.  The Beach Boys didn't DO that kind of music nor could they justify that type of approach.  They weren't trying to image themselves in THAT camp.  AND...they were established with a list of hit songs and albums that would have been the envy of all those glam acts.

It just didn't work for the Beach Boys...at all...even once.  It was dorky...with a capital D.  I guess all we can be thankful for is that he didn't come out wearing a speedo stuffed with socks.
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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2015, 01:23:30 PM »

I got the 'feel' that Carl was in charge up on stage when Jack was around.  They didn't NEED a front man.  They were the Beach Boys for goodness sake.  By then everyone sang leads...including Blondie.  They had seemingly become a band of equals musically speaking.  The front man thing was old school and one didn't need a guy tip-toeing/swishing around and mock-lisping on stage.  It detracted from the music gigantically.  So Jack made it STOP.  And then...he left...and...

Example?  Listen to Live in London.  Or check out Mike prancing around in his dumb as sh*t sailor captain hat in front of the good ship 15 Bigguns.  Suddenly it was 1963 all over again...with longer hair.  Awful freakin' stuff.

Thank gawd he doesn't do that sh*t now.

[by the way it bugged me just as much when Jagger used to pull that stupid twaddle.  The thing is we all know Mick didn't 'lift' the concept from Michael Edward.  Mind you I kind of found Mike annoying as the 'front man' back BEFORE he started trying to do his version of the Mick thing.  I am convinced Mike only 'got' the responsibility 'cause NO ONE else in the band could have done it way back when.  Too young.  Too shy.  Too incapable.  And Denny was way at the back sitting behind the drums.  T'was the absolute WEAKEST part of the group from the beginning...that and the 'wardrobe']
In 1976, what Mike was wearing and doing was mild for the times. There was some wild, over the top sh*t going on in the 70's. Queen, Bowie and all the Glam Rock stuff. Not to mention all the Disco and Funk-A-Delic stuff too.

Forgive me, but I thought glam rock was an 80s thing? And disco is different. The whole thing with disco is that it wouldnt be a live band playing, it would be a DJ at a swinging night club. So maybe the patrons would be wearing wild clothes doing over-the-top dance moves, but it wouldnt be the frontman of the band doing that stuff.
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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2015, 01:26:26 PM »

No...Queen and Bowie and a mincing Mick were all around by the early to mid 70s.  And then there were The Barbarians...was that in the TAMI show?  Can't remember.  Are You A Boy Or Are You A Girl?
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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2015, 01:29:53 PM »

Time to point out the double standard. Yesterday AGD mentioned that several sources witnessed Brian weeping uncontrollably on a swing while Dennis looked at him blank faced and said 'F uck you, we need that song (Surf's Up)'. Now imagine if he'd said Mike instead of Dennis - we'd have had at least two pages by now on how Mike is an evil, bullying c unt, instead we get nothing other than a very reaching excuse for Dennis' actions.
These are The Beach Boys for fecks sake, they are all just as good at doing/saying dumb stuff as each other. Mike's antics are certainly worthy of criticism from time to time, but to spend so much time and energy on hating the guy to me is just pointless.
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« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2015, 01:33:02 PM »

Time to point out the double standard. Yesterday AGD mentioned that several sources witnessed Brian weeping uncontrollably on a swing while Dennis looked at him blank faced and said 'F uck you, we need that song (Surf's Up)'. Now imagine if he'd said Mike instead of Dennis - we'd have had at least two pages by now on how Mike is an evil, bullying c unt, instead we get nothing other than a very reaching excuse for Dennis' actions.
These are The Beach Boys for fecks sake, they are all just as good at doing/saying dumb stuff as each other. Mike's antics are certainly worthy of criticism from time to time, but to spend so much time and energy on hating the guy to me is just pointless.

Firstly, there was someone (me) who said that sounds like those actions were very harsh and likely going too far. Secondly, this sounds like it was a real exception with Dennis, and not any kind of recurring pattern. If it seemed like it was a recurring pattern, coupled with copious amounts of defensive speak from the perpetrator, I think more people would be having big-picture conversations about it.

So no, it's not a double standard. Sorry. The real double standard was pointed out 13 posts above your last post.
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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2015, 01:35:01 PM »

I don't hate him.  Pointed out that he was KEY to the fact that they found a sound and lasted.  Don't...and never have agreed...that he is ALL that...that he is a dominant creative guy...that he is the best singer...that he was even a decent front man.  As part of the UNIT...the group...he was important.  He even contributed some neat lyrics and ideas for adding to the music.  So too did Carl and Al.

Hate him?  Not a chance.  Respect him?  Sometimes.  Give him any credit that isn't due?  Never.  Besides we all know that he'll grab THAT for himself.  It's just his life-long nature.
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