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Question: Rate No Pier Pressure
5 - 17 (32.7%)
4 - 17 (32.7%)
3 - 9 (17.3%)
2 - 5 (9.6%)
1 - 3 (5.8%)
0 - 1 (1.9%)
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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2015, 05:03:11 PM »

I was just genuinely curious as to what people were attracted to about this album, that's the reason I commented on this thread.

You were genuinely curious as to what people were attracted to about this album, which is why you posted here? Dude, you came here stating flat out:

I cannot believe NPP has this many fives. Percentage wise, this album has a higher favorability rating on this site than Surf's Up. I assume my review on PopMatters didn't go over too well...

And that's all you posted initially. Not once in your post did you express any curiosity - you just rudely stated that you can't believe this album has this many 5 star ratings. Then you berated me for liking this album. But given your posts above, I can understand that it would be confusing for you to comprehend why Brian Wilson fans on a Brian Wilson sub-forum would like a Brian Wilson album.

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But as a reviewer, I have to go by the credits given on the record

Apparently only when it conveniences your completely flawed perception of reality. Brian Wilson is listed as being a co-writer of these songs yet according to you:

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This is where discussing the album’s tracks as if they were actually Wilson’s becomes completely pointless. This may have his elderly vocals on it, but this is his album in name only.

So when can we go by the credits in the liner notes? Jeesh, maybe you should preface your reviews with guidelines for readers so they don't get confused as f*** trying to comprehend your incredibly flawed logic.

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But it doesn't change how I feel about the record, because if Brian was really behind all of that autotune, the beats on Runaway Dancer and all the collaborations, then I think it was a very, very poor decision on his part. I would score it the exact same way. But obviously, we will have to agree to disagree on the quality of the music, as you can with any review.

THAT is a good review. It's isn't full of conjecture from your mystical alternate reality where Zooey Deschanel never met Brian Wilson prior to NPP and where Joe Thomas has writing credits on all the NPP songs.
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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2015, 05:16:26 PM »


...you should well know that album credits are rarely if ever accurate for various reasons.


Absolutely, categorically, 100 percent false.  You are living in the '60s man, people don't cut deals like that anymore (except Brian Wilson, I guess). In 2015 (the year of our lord) most album credits are 99.99 percent accurate. After decades of turmoil in the music industry it has become of the utmost legal importance that each musician and participant is credited correctly. Do you think Beyonce likes having to list all 15 producers, and 60 plus writers on her albums? Of course not, it makes her look silly, but you can't get away with not doing that in this day and age. Been that way for years. Sounds like you're working with really dishonest people.

What an absurd thing to say.
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« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2015, 05:38:21 PM »

THAT is a good review. It's isn't full of conjecture from your mystical alternate reality where Zooey Deschanel never met Brian Wilson prior to NPP and where Joe Thomas has writing credits on all the NPP songs.

Oh my god you have posted the Zooey Deschanel thing like 8 times now. Jesus christ, enough! The album is a 10/10 and I'm gonna go buy the She & Him discography now, off to the record store! You win!
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« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2015, 05:48:48 PM »

Are you related to Mike Love by any chance, your talking points sound like stuff he says about BW.
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« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2015, 05:53:38 PM »

THAT is a good review. It's isn't full of conjecture from your mystical alternate reality where Zooey Deschanel never met Brian Wilson prior to NPP and where Joe Thomas has writing credits on all the NPP songs.

Oh my god you have posted the Zooey Deschanel thing like 8 times now. Jesus christ, enough! The album is a 10/10 and I'm gonna go buy the She & Him discography now, off to the record store! You win!

I couldn't care less if you like the album. Plenty of posters here disliked the album, difference between you and them is that their reviews weren't full of false information. Enjoy the She and Him albums, tell me how they are. On second thought, I'll read the album reviews from people who can professionally write them.
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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2015, 06:03:18 PM »


...you should well know that album credits are rarely if ever accurate for various reasons.


Absolutely, categorically, 100 percent false.  You are living in the '60s man, people don't cut deals like that anymore (except Brian Wilson, I guess). In 2015 (the year of our lord) most album credits are 99.99 percent accurate. After decades of turmoil in the music industry it has become of the utmost legal importance that each musician and participant is credited correctly. Do you think Beyonce likes having to list all 15 producers, and 60 plus writers on her albums? Of course not, it makes her look silly, but you can't get away with not doing that in this day and age. Been that way for years. Sounds like you're working with really dishonest people.

What an absurd thing to say.


Living in the 60s? LOL I was born in 1978, pal. And for a supposed writer, you are seriously stretching what is left of your credibility.  By trying to prove me wrong, you're actually proving me right! These days, a guy can fart in the general direction of the studio and be given credit. And sh*t, you named Beyonce, who has been accused of using a ghost-writer for her songs, at the very least. One good example was with the song 'If I was a boy' and the controversy when it came out that BC Jean actually wrote the song.

Research is vital.

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« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2015, 06:05:01 PM »


...you should well know that album credits are rarely if ever accurate for various reasons.


Absolutely, categorically, 100 percent false.  You are living in the '60s man, people don't cut deals like that anymore (except Brian Wilson, I guess). In 2015 (the year of our lord) most album credits are 99.99 percent accurate. After decades of turmoil in the music industry it has become of the utmost legal importance that each musician and participant is credited correctly. Do you think Beyonce likes having to list all 15 producers, and 60 plus writers on her albums? Of course not, it makes her look silly, but you can't get away with not doing that in this day and age. Been that way for years. Sounds like you're working with really dishonest people.

What an absurd thing to say.


Living in the 60s? LOL I was born in 1978, pal. And for a supposed writer, you are seriously stretching what is left of your credibility.  By trying to prove me wrong, you're actually proving me right! These days, a guy can fart in the general direction of the studio and be given credit. And sh*t, you named Beyonce, who has been accused of using a ghost-writer for her songs, at the very least. One good example was with the song 'If I was a boy' and the controversy when it came out that BC Jean actually wrote the song.

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This is why you write in forums, and I write in newspapers and magazines. Good luck to ya.
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« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2015, 06:19:44 PM »


...you should well know that album credits are rarely if ever accurate for various reasons.


Absolutely, categorically, 100 percent false.  You are living in the '60s man, people don't cut deals like that anymore (except Brian Wilson, I guess). In 2015 (the year of our lord) most album credits are 99.99 percent accurate. After decades of turmoil in the music industry it has become of the utmost legal importance that each musician and participant is credited correctly. Do you think Beyonce likes having to list all 15 producers, and 60 plus writers on her albums? Of course not, it makes her look silly, but you can't get away with not doing that in this day and age. Been that way for years. Sounds like you're working with really dishonest people.

What an absurd thing to say.


Living in the 60s? LOL I was born in 1978, pal. And for a supposed writer, you are seriously stretching what is left of your credibility.  By trying to prove me wrong, you're actually proving me right! These days, a guy can fart in the general direction of the studio and be given credit. And sh*t, you named Beyonce, who has been accused of using a ghost-writer for her songs, at the very least. One good example was with the song 'If I was a boy' and the controversy when it came out that BC Jean actually wrote the song.

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This is why you write in forums, and I write in newspapers and magazines. Good luck to ya.

No, I moderate on this forum in my spare time (between my real job and my own music career) because I have been a fan of Brian and the rest of the Beach Boys for the past 20 years. Hope you enjoyed that post, as it is your last here. Go back to living in your parents' basement and writing throwaway reviews that nobody takes seriously without doing research because it requires too much work.
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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2015, 06:52:37 PM »

It's Go Time.
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« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2015, 06:56:50 PM »

In this photo, you'll notice that is actually Joe Thomas wearing an M. Ward mask.

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« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2015, 07:07:47 PM »

Actually it's Brian in the middle, joe Thomas on the right, and Rod Stewart as M. Ward.
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« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2015, 07:08:38 PM »

And Dr. Who is taking the photo.
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« Reply #62 on: September 27, 2015, 07:17:14 PM »

I'm the recording console.  Helps to be made of liquid metal like a T-1000.
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« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2015, 03:51:58 AM »

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« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2015, 10:57:08 AM »

That was an interesting exchange of ideas. 

Any way, I know the Grammys are a joke, but I wonder if anything from NPP will get nominated. 

Usually, the Grammys will give a mod to a legacy artist who puts out something (sometimes they can even get nominated for new live versions of 40 year old songs). 

That being said, I think it would be nice for Brian to pick up a Grammy for something from his solo career where he actually sings lead. 

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« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2015, 01:56:16 PM »

It would be nice but to give it to NPP would just be an insult. Besides, I don't know why people even bother with what I call "pity Grammys" anymore. "Well, Steely Dan got one," they say. Yeah, for their WORST album. Not a bad album mind you, but compared to what came before it's clearly inferior.

Of course, I hold the Grammys in the same regard as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - burn them to the ground. Farcical beyond words.
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« Reply #66 on: September 29, 2015, 05:30:27 AM »

It would be nice but to give it to NPP would just be an insult. Besides, I don't know why people even bother with what I call "pity Grammys" anymore. "Well, Steely Dan got one," they say. Yeah, for their WORST album. Not a bad album mind you, but compared to what came before it's clearly inferior.

Of course, I hold the Grammys in the same regard as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - burn them to the ground. Farcical beyond words.

Are you saying that Judas Priest didn't deserve their 2010 Grammy for a live version of an album track from 1977?  Smiley

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« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2015, 02:13:50 PM »

I've discovered what my problem was with the Deluxe NPP----"The Last Song" (all those lalala's) and the two bonus tracks. One listen to Brian's "ITBOMM" is quite enough and the definitive "Love And Mercy" is on Brian Wilson. So I call it a day after "Saturday Night" and it's a great listen all the way.  4/5
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« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2015, 06:09:44 AM »

I've discovered what my problem was with the Deluxe NPP----"The Last Song" (all those lalala's) and the two bonus tracks. One listen to Brian's "ITBOMM" is quite enough and the definitive "Love And Mercy" is on Brian Wilson. So I call it a day after "Saturday Night" and it's a great listen all the way.  4/5

I have the super deluxe US Target Inc version of NPP also.

I really don't consider ITBOMM or L&M a part of the album.  I'm kinda hot and cold on The Last Song.  The first couple times I heard it, I really liked it. 
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« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2015, 06:21:19 AM »

Somewhat predictably, there were no Grammy nominations for No Pier Pressure.  I thought it might get at least one nomination, but the Grammy voters are even more clueless then the RNRHOF. 
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« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2015, 01:49:09 AM »

Somewhat predictably, there were no Grammy nominations for No Pier Pressure.  I thought it might get at least one nomination, but the Grammy voters are even more clueless then the RNRHOF. 

The words "circus", "big" and "one" come to mind, not necessarily in that order. Grin
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« Reply #71 on: April 07, 2016, 09:01:19 PM »

An album full of songs that don't really go anywhere. His worst solo album in my opinion.
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« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2016, 03:08:10 AM »

I listen to No Pier Pressure, the deluxe version, on a regular basis. It's a great summer album and, like TWGMTR, one I feel I can play in any company.

With one proviso----I make "Saturday Night" the final track. No "The Last Song" (all that la-la-la'ing), no solo "ITBOMM" and no alternative "Love And Mercy".

I often have it playing while organizing the evening meal...           
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« Reply #73 on: March 15, 2017, 11:46:13 AM »

These being the last days before the beginning of spring, I've dedusted NPP and actually rediscovered this album.

Such a breath of fresh air.

I guess late/mid-March is "The Right Time" to have do this. Cool Who's with me?
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« Reply #74 on: March 15, 2017, 12:07:33 PM »

These being the last days before the beginning of spring, I've dedusted NPP and actually rediscovered this album.

Such a breath of fresh air.

I guess late/mid-March is "The Right Time" to have do this. Cool Who's with me?

I recently rewatched the BW & Friends DVD (I got the CD/DVD combo for Christmas), and I'd almost forgotten how much I like Half Moon Bay and Saturday Night.  I wound up listening to the album soon after. 
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