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« on: May 18, 2015, 01:47:24 PM »

This is strange...  About 20 minutes ago I was over on the Steve Hoffman board, and a gentleman had posted there that he had obtained access to the source files for FIRST WAVE - THE HITE MORGAN SESSIONS, and was initiating a Kickstarter campaign to raise funds to release them on CD.  He said that they are now in the public domain and no longer subject to the Beach Boys legal armada.  He also said that he has also commissioned Brad Elliott to write the liner notes.  He was seeking about $38,000 to press 1,500 copies.

After the initial posts, Steve Hoffman himself posted and asked if he was finally going to get paid for mastering the tapes.

A person with the user name Brad Elliott joined the forum, and confirmed that he was writing the liner notes.

Someone questioned the amount to be raised, stating that 1,500 copies plus color inserts and jewel cases, plus licensing and royalties shouldn't cost more than about $5.00-$6.00 per copy at most to produce.

Someone else asked if this was being done with the blessing of The Beach Boys / Brother Records, and if not was it anything more than a glorified bootleg.

Then the entire thread was deleted...

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2015, 01:49:50 PM »

Brad Elliot is a scumbag. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2015, 01:52:40 PM »

They'd be in the public domain in the EU, right?
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2015, 02:05:05 PM »

Here's the link:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/448050763/unreleased-beach-boys-recordings/video_share

It's called Prelude to Summer. He's still got a way to go to reach his target amount!
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2015, 02:09:58 PM »

It'd be nice to see this happen. Now if we could get some kind of release of the 1962 Beach Boys/Gary Usher session...
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2015, 02:11:20 PM »

From what I've read about the guy, I'd make sure Elliot is only paid cash on delivery.
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015, 02:17:25 PM »

Brad Elliot is a scumbag. Roll Eyes

And why is that, Smile Brian?
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2015, 02:19:35 PM »

He took all that money for the first wave project and never returned it when it didn't happen.
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2015, 02:20:17 PM »

It'd be nice to see this happen. Now if we could get some kind of release of the 1962 Beach Boys/Gary Usher session...

I'm in, but they'd better hurry the hell up before Bruce Morgan starts writing Cease and Desist orders!

All but 5 tracks are unreleased.  I thought we got most of the good stuff in "Lost & Found".
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2015, 02:22:38 PM »

He took all that money for the first wave project and never returned it when it didn't happen.

That's not all. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2015, 02:38:20 PM »

Not just for First Wave (for which, btw, he still owes investors over $40,000) but also for the Dailey Smile session photos, and the sessionography book, to name but two. Oh, and I think Greentree Publishers would like the advance back for the BB A-Z he was contracted to deliver back in the early 2000s.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2015, 02:47:11 PM »

The "producer" of this bullshit project would do well to see those who never received the CDs the fitst time around and no refund either get a complementary CD set.

Thr hide of Mr Elliot to surface in conjuction with this project knowing its history.

Those fools who pledged money wont see their money or any discs again.
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2015, 03:08:12 PM »

The "producer" of this bullshit project would do well to see those who never received the CDs the fitst time around and no refund either get a complementary CD set.

Thr hide of Mr Elliot to surface in conjuction with this project knowing its history.

Those fools who pledged money wont see their money or any discs again.

Promissory notes were signed to the effect that the sum invested would be returned if the project wasn't released by a specified date. Never happened, of course. You have to remember that at the time (late 1999/early 2000) Elliott was a highly regarded fan and researcher with several liner note credits to his name (and was contracted by Capitol to write all the liners for the impending 1970-1985 2fer reissues). The speed with which it all fell apart was breathtaking.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2015, 03:18:43 PM »

I thought we got most of the good stuff in "Lost & Found".

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2015, 03:29:46 PM »

LOST AND FOUND

1 Luau (Previously Unissued)   
2 Surfin' (Previously Unissued)   
3 Studio Chatter   
4 Surfin' (First Take, Unissued)   
5 Studio Chatter   
6 Surfin (Master Take X-301)   
7 Studio Chatter   
8 Luau (First Take, Unissued)   
9 Luau (Master Take "B" Side Of X-301)   
10 Barbie (Stereo)   
11 What Is A Young Girl Made Of (Stereo, Previously Unissued)   
12 Surfin' Safari (Unissued Take)   
13 Studio Chatter   
14 Surfin' Safari (Approved Master Take)   
15 Studio Chatter   
16 Surfer Girl (Approved Master Take)   
17 Judy (Previously Unissued Take)   
18 Judy (Approved Master Take)   
19 Beach Boy Stomp (Karate) (Unissued Long Version)   
20 Surfin' Safari (Attempt At Overdubbing, Unissued `61 Demo In Stereo)   
21 Lavender (Previously Unissued)


FIRST WAVE (PRELUDE TO SUMMER)

Disc One
Recorded September 15, 1961

 1. Surfin' (demo) 2:24
 2. Luau (demo, take 1) 1:37
 3. Luau (demo, take 2) 1:39 *
 4. Luau (demo, take 3) 1:37 *
 5. Lavender (demo, take 1) 2:17 *
 6. Lavender (demo, take 2) 1:07 *
 7. Lavender (demo, take 3) 2:18 *
 8. Lavender (demo, take 4) 2:22 *

Recorded October 3, 1961

 9. Surfin' (take 1) 0:16
 10. Surfin' (take 2) 2:22
 11. Surfin' (take 3) 0:31 *
 12. Surfin' (take 4) 2:26 *
 13. Surfin' (take 5) 2:25 *
 14. Surfin' (take 6) 1:02 *
 15. Surfin' (take 7) 2:28 *
 16. Surfin' (take Cool 2:21
 17. Luau (take 1) 0:20
 18. Luau (take 2) 1:51
 19. Luau (take 3) 0:29 *
 20. Luau (take 5) 0:08 *
 21. Luau (take 6) 1:50 *
 22. Luau (take 7) 1:51 *
 23. Luau (take Cool 0:13 *
 24. Luau (take 9) 0:07 *
 25. Luau (take 10) 0:22 *
 26. Luau (take 11) 1:53 *
 27. Luau (take 12) 1:50
 28. Lavender (take 1) 0:47 *
 29. Lavender (take 2) 1:22 *
 30. Lavender (take 4) 2:35 *

Recorded February 8, 1962

 31. Surfin' Safari (take 3) 0:30 *
 32. Surfin' Safari (take 4) 2:18 *
 33. Surfin' Safari (take 5) 0:27 *
 34. Surfin' Safari (take 6) 2:18 *
 35. Surfin' Safari (take 10) 2:07 *
 36. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 1 on take 6) 2:24
 37. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 2 on take 10) 2:17
 38. Surfin' Safari (stereo overdub on take 6) 2:06
 39. Surfin' Safari (mono single mix) 2:01

Disc Two
Recorded February 8, 1962

 1. Surfer Girl (take 1) 2:02 *
 2. Surfer Girl (take 2) 2:48 *
 3. Surfer Girl (take 3) 1:33 *
 4. Surfer Girl (take 4) 2:24 *
 5. Surfer Girl (take 5) 1:54 *
 6. Surfer Girl (take 6) 2:18 *
 7. Surfer Girl (overdub take 1 on take 4) 2:33
 8. Judy (take 1) 2:18 *
 9. Judy (take 2) 2:35 *
 10. Judy (overdub take 1 on take 2) 2:29
 11. Judy (overdub take 2 on take 2) 2:41
 12. Beach Boy Stomp (take 1) 1:34 *
 13. Beach Boy Stomp (rehearsal fragment) 0:25 *
 14. Beach Boy Stomp (take 2) 1:01 *
 15. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 1 on take 1) 1:32 *
 16. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 2 on take 1) 1:38

Recorded March 8, 1962

 17. Barbie (overdub take 1) 2:36 *
 18. Barbie (overdub take 2) 0:16 *
 19. Barbie (overdub take 3) 0:23 *
 20. Barbie (overdub take 4) 1:08 *
 21. Barbie (overdub take 5) 1:53 *
 22. Barbie (overdub take 6) 2:41
 23. Barbie (overdub take 7) 2:45
 24. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 1) 2:55 *
 25. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 2) 1:58 *
 26. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 3) 0:18 *
 27. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 4) 2:23
 28. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 5) 2:24
 29. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 6) 2:23 *
 30. Barbie (mono single mix) 2:22
 31. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (mono single mix) 2:11

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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2015, 03:49:08 PM »

Original tracklist for First Wave as advertised by Brad a few years ago:


FIRST WAVE: The Complete Hite Morgan Sessions

Disc One

Recorded September 15, 1961

1. Surfin' (demo) 2:24
2. Luau (demo, take 1) 1:37
3. Luau (demo, take 2) 1:39 *
4. Luau (demo, take 3) 1:37 *
5. Lavender (demo, take 1) 2:17 *
6. Lavender (demo, take 2) 1:07 *
7. Lavender (demo, take 3) 2:18 *
8. Lavender (demo, take 4) 2:22 *

Recorded October 3, 1961

9. Surfin' (take 1) 0:16
10. Surfin' (take 2) 2:22
11. Surfin' (take 3) 0:31 *
12. Surfin' (take 4) 2:26 *
13. Surfin' (take 5) 2:25 *
14. Surfin' (take 6) 1:02 *
15. Surfin' (take 7) 2:28 *
16. Surfin' (take Cool 2:21
17. Luau (take 1) 0:20
18. Luau (take 2) 1:51
19. Luau (take 3) 0:29 *
20. Luau (take 5) 0:08 *
21. Luau (take 6) 1:50 *
22. Luau (take 7) 1:51 *
23. Luau (take Cool 0:13 *
24. Luau (take 9) 0:07 *
25. Luau (take 10) 0:22 *
26. Luau (take 11) 1:53 *
27. Luau (take 12) 1:50
28. Lavender (take 1) 0:47 *
29. Lavender (take 2) 1:22 *
30. Lavender (take 4) 2:35 *

Recorded February 8, 1962

31. Surfin' Safari (take 3) 0:30 *
32. Surfin' Safari (take 4) 2:18 *
33. Surfin' Safari (take 5) 0:27 *
34. Surfin' Safari (take 6) 2:18 *
35. Surfin' Safari (take 10) 2:07 *
36. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 1 on take 6) 2:24
37. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 2 on take 10) 2:17
38. Surfin' Safari (stereo overdub on take 6) 2:06
39. Surfin' Safari (mono single mix) 2:01


Disc Two

Recorded February 8, 1962

1. Surfer Girl (take 1) 2:02 *
2. Surfer Girl (take 2) 2:48 *
3. Surfer Girl (take 3) 1:33 *
4. Surfer Girl (take 4) 2:24 *
5. Surfer Girl (take 5) 1:54 *
6. Surfer Girl (take 6) 2:18 *
7. Surfer Girl (overdub take 1 on take 4) 2:33
8. Judy (take 1) 2:18 *
9. Judy (take 2) 2:35 *
10. Judy (overdub take 1 on take 2) 2:29
11. Judy (overdub take 2 on take 2) 2:41
12. Beach Boy Stomp (take 1) 1:34 *
13. Beach Boy Stomp (rehearsal fragment) 0:25 *
14. Beach Boy Stomp (take 2) 1:01 *
15. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 1 on take 1) 1:32 *
16. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 2 on take 1) 1:38

Recorded March 8, 1962

17. Barbie (overdub take 1) 2:36 *
18. Barbie (overdub take 2) 0:16 *
19. Barbie (overdub take 3) 0:23 *
20. Barbie (overdub take 4) 1:08 *
21. Barbie (overdub take 5) 1:53 *
22. Barbie (overdub take 6) 2:41
23. Barbie (overdub take 7) 2:45
24. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 1) 2:55 *
25. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 2) 1:58 *
26. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 3) 0:18 *
27. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 4) 2:23
28. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 5) 2:24
29. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 6) 2:23 *
30. Barbie (mono single mix) 2:22
31. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (mono single mix) 2:11

* Previously unreleased


Recordings produced by Hite Morgan, 1961-62.
Compilation produced by Brad Elliott.
Assembly, editing and mastering by Steve Hoffman.

This compilation (p)(c) 2000 Surf's Up! Records, P.O. Box 665, Hardy, VA 24101.
All rights reserved. Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws.


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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2015, 04:10:52 PM »

I had to ask:

"Hi Raphael,  I paid Brad for two copies of this release back in the year 2000 or so. He never delivered. Am I in credit? I think these recordings are probably some of the most important elements in the band's history but Brad's involvement will upset the many fans who were ripped off at the time First Wave was first touted. What reassurance can you give, and what explanation for the high cost of the individual units? Thanks in advance, John."


I know, I'm a whingeing bastard, but I have to wonder whether the chap Raphael knows the background. How much is he paying Brad for the liner notes? What has he got in his possession; a CD or the actual tapes?

Time Capitol stepped in, bought the rights (if they haven't already) and did this project (and rhe fans) justice, definitively, once and for all.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2015, 06:16:08 PM »

It'd be nice to see this happen. Now if we could get some kind of release of the 1962 Beach Boys/Gary Usher session...

I'm in, but they'd better hurry the hell up before Bruce Morgan starts writing Cease and Desist orders!

All but 5 tracks are unreleased.  I thought we got most of the good stuff in "Lost & Found".

LOST AND FOUND

1 Luau (Previously Unissued)   
2 Surfin' (Previously Unissued)   
3 Studio Chatter   
4 Surfin' (First Take, Unissued)   
5 Studio Chatter   
6 Surfin (Master Take X-301)   
7 Studio Chatter   
8 Luau (First Take, Unissued)   
9 Luau (Master Take "B" Side Of X-301)   
10 Barbie (Stereo)   
11 What Is A Young Girl Made Of (Stereo, Previously Unissued)   
12 Surfin' Safari (Unissued Take)   
13 Studio Chatter   
14 Surfin' Safari (Approved Master Take)   
15 Studio Chatter   
16 Surfer Girl (Approved Master Take)   
17 Judy (Previously Unissued Take)   
18 Judy (Approved Master Take)   
19 Beach Boy Stomp (Karate) (Unissued Long Version)   
20 Surfin' Safari (Attempt At Overdubbing, Unissued `61 Demo In Stereo)   
21 Lavender (Previously Unissued)


FIRST WAVE (PRELUDE TO SUMMER)

Disc One
Recorded September 15, 1961

 1. Surfin' (demo) 2:24
 2. Luau (demo, take 1) 1:37
 3. Luau (demo, take 2) 1:39 *
 4. Luau (demo, take 3) 1:37 *
 5. Lavender (demo, take 1) 2:17 *
 6. Lavender (demo, take 2) 1:07 *
 7. Lavender (demo, take 3) 2:18 *
 8. Lavender (demo, take 4) 2:22 *

Recorded October 3, 1961

 9. Surfin' (take 1) 0:16
 10. Surfin' (take 2) 2:22
 11. Surfin' (take 3) 0:31 *
 12. Surfin' (take 4) 2:26 *
 13. Surfin' (take 5) 2:25 *
 14. Surfin' (take 6) 1:02 *
 15. Surfin' (take 7) 2:28 *
 16. Surfin' (take Cool 2:21
 17. Luau (take 1) 0:20
 18. Luau (take 2) 1:51
 19. Luau (take 3) 0:29 *
 20. Luau (take 5) 0:08 *
 21. Luau (take 6) 1:50 *
 22. Luau (take 7) 1:51 *
 23. Luau (take Cool 0:13 *
 24. Luau (take 9) 0:07 *
 25. Luau (take 10) 0:22 *
 26. Luau (take 11) 1:53 *
 27. Luau (take 12) 1:50
 28. Lavender (take 1) 0:47 *
 29. Lavender (take 2) 1:22 *
 30. Lavender (take 4) 2:35 *

Recorded February 8, 1962

 31. Surfin' Safari (take 3) 0:30 *
 32. Surfin' Safari (take 4) 2:18 *
 33. Surfin' Safari (take 5) 0:27 *
 34. Surfin' Safari (take 6) 2:18 *
 35. Surfin' Safari (take 10) 2:07 *
 36. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 1 on take 6) 2:24
 37. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 2 on take 10) 2:17
 38. Surfin' Safari (stereo overdub on take 6) 2:06
 39. Surfin' Safari (mono single mix) 2:01

Disc Two
Recorded February 8, 1962

 1. Surfer Girl (take 1) 2:02 *
 2. Surfer Girl (take 2) 2:48 *
 3. Surfer Girl (take 3) 1:33 *
 4. Surfer Girl (take 4) 2:24 *
 5. Surfer Girl (take 5) 1:54 *
 6. Surfer Girl (take 6) 2:18 *
 7. Surfer Girl (overdub take 1 on take 4) 2:33
 8. Judy (take 1) 2:18 *
 9. Judy (take 2) 2:35 *
 10. Judy (overdub take 1 on take 2) 2:29
 11. Judy (overdub take 2 on take 2) 2:41
 12. Beach Boy Stomp (take 1) 1:34 *
 13. Beach Boy Stomp (rehearsal fragment) 0:25 *
 14. Beach Boy Stomp (take 2) 1:01 *
 15. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 1 on take 1) 1:32 *
 16. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 2 on take 1) 1:38

Recorded March 8, 1962

 17. Barbie (overdub take 1) 2:36 *
 18. Barbie (overdub take 2) 0:16 *
 19. Barbie (overdub take 3) 0:23 *
 20. Barbie (overdub take 4) 1:08 *
 21. Barbie (overdub take 5) 1:53 *
 22. Barbie (overdub take 6) 2:41
 23. Barbie (overdub take 7) 2:45
 24. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 1) 2:55 *
 25. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 2) 1:58 *
 26. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 3) 0:18 *
 27. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 4) 2:23
 28. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 5) 2:24
 29. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 6) 2:23 *
 30. Barbie (mono single mix) 2:22
 31. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (mono single mix) 2:11

Looks to mne like there'a WHOLE bunch of the best stuff we didn't get!
and then, First Wave would have had alot more tracks than this Prelude to Summer:

PRELUDE TO SUMMER... tracklist (tbc):   
 
 1. Luau [demo, take 2] - 1:39

 2. Luau [demo, take 3] - 1:39

 3. Lavender [demo, take 1] - 2:15

 4. Lavender [demo, take 2] - 0:55

 5. Lavender [demo, edit take 4 into 3] - 2:16

 6. Surfin' [take 3] - 0:33

 7. Surfin' [take 4] - 2:28

 8. Surfin' [take 5] - 2:25

 9. Surfin' [take 6] - 1:03

10. Surfin' [take 7] - 2:23 
 
11. Surfin' [take 8] - 2:25 * 
 
12. Luau [take 3] - 0:32 
 
13. Luau [take 5] - 0:11 
 
14. Luau [take 6] - 1:47 
 
15. Luau [take 7] - 1:55 
 
16. Luau [take 8] - 0:12 
 
17. Luau [take 9] - 0:10 
 
18. Luau [take 10] - 0:21 
 
19. Luau [take 11] - 1:54 
 
20. Luau [take 12] - 1:55 * 
 
21. Lavender [take 1] - 0:48 
 
22. Lavender [take 2] - 1:24 
 
23. Lavender [take 4] - 2:39 
 
24. Surfin' Safari [take 3] - 0:25 
 
25. Surfin' Safari [take 4] - 2:04 
 
26. Surfin' Safari [take 5] - 0:24 
 
27. Surfin' Safari [edit takes 6 & 9] - 2:14 
 
28. Surfin' Safari [stereo overdub on edit of takes 6 & 9] - 2:10 *** 
 
29. Surfer Girl [take 1] - 1:46 
 
30. Surfer Girl [take 2] - 2:21 
 
31. Surfer Girl [take 3] - 1:23 
 
32. Surfer Girl [take 5] - 1:49 
 
33. Surfer Girl [take 6] - 2:17 
 
34. Judy [take 1] - 2:18 
 
35. Judy [take 2 false start] - 0:15

36. Beach Boy Stomp [rehearsal fragment] - 0:21 
 
37. Beach Boy Stomp [take 2] - 1:03 
 
38. Barbie [overdub take 1] - 2:34 
 
39. Barbie [overdub take 2] - 0:17 
 
40. Barbie [overdub take 3] - 0:22 
 
41. Barbie [overdub take 4] - 1:09 
 
42. Barbie [overdub take 5] - 1:53 
 
43. Barbie [overdub take 6] - 2:30 ** 
 
44. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? [overdub take 1] - 1:53 
 
45. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? [overdub take 2] - 1:57 
 
46. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? [overdub take 3] - 0:20 
 
47. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? [overdub take 5] - 2:25 ** 
 
48. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? [overdub take 6] - 2:18 
 
TOTAL TIME = 72:49   

If this guy really believes in Brad, he's just the next dummy in line for the big loser award.

Now where do you suppose he got the tracks?
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2015, 08:38:11 PM »

I'm surprised the thread over there lasted as long as it did.  When it first popped up I figured it would be gone by the next day.

As far as the Kickstarter goes, I don't think there's any chance in hell they're going to reach the goal.
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2015, 09:44:30 PM »

He took all that money for the first wave project and never returned it when it didn't happen.

FWIW, I did get a refund from him two weeks after the cancellation was announced. He offered either a refund, or to have him hold on until he got the legal crap untwisted, at which point you'd get your copy of First Wave; I opted for the refund.
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2015, 10:12:08 PM »

He took all that money for the first wave project and never returned it when it didn't happen.

FWIW, I did get a refund from him two weeks after the cancellation was announced. He offered either a refund, or to have him hold on until he got the legal crap untwisted, at which point you'd get your copy of First Wave; I opted for the refund.


I also seem to remember that there was the option to roll our First Wave investment over into the planned sessionography book. Some type of tier system if I remember correctly. I chose one of those tier options......and, of course, nothing came to pass.

So long ago...and so fuzzy in my memory. Other than the "out the money" part, that is.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2015, 10:23:59 PM »

He took all that money for the first wave project and never returned it when it didn't happen.

FWIW, I did get a refund from him two weeks after the cancellation was announced. He offered either a refund, or to have him hold on until he got the legal crap untwisted, at which point you'd get your copy of First Wave; I opted for the refund.

For me, I waited a little bit before ordering "First Wave" from Brad, then he told me to hold payment because the CD's weren't pressed yet - he was expecting them soon. He didn't say anything about legal action at that point. I'm glad I waited and didn't send money. With the Sessions book - he wanted me to front $100 (You got your name printed in the book) but I held back for awhile until I could see if others sent money. Next thing I hear is the book is on "indefinite hold" and people who sent in money weren't being refunded. So I'm glad I didn't send money for either the "First Wave" set or the "Sessions" book!

And I wouldn't hold your breath for "Raphael" to give you a refund. That's Brad's responsibility.
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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2015, 03:58:32 AM »

Hey guys,

I'm "Raphael" the producer from this project. Feel free to pose any questions that you have. I've only just been given access to this board so apologies if I've skirted over anything. I'll do my best to fill you in.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2015, 04:25:32 AM »

Welcome aboard Raphael, please see query above (also sent to you via Kickstarter). Thanks for offering to field questions!
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2015, 04:37:46 AM »

I had to ask:

"Hi Raphael,  I paid Brad for two copies of this release back in the year 2000 or so. He never delivered. Am I in credit? I think these recordings are probably some of the most important elements in the band's history but Brad's involvement will upset the many fans who were ripped off at the time First Wave was first touted. What reassurance can you give, and what explanation for the high cost of the individual units? Thanks in advance, John."


I know, I'm a whingeing bastard, but I have to wonder whether the chap Raphael knows the background. How much is he paying Brad for the liner notes? What has he got in his possession; a CD or the actual tapes?

Time Capitol stepped in, bought the rights (if they haven't already) and did this project (and rhe fans) justice, definitively, once and for all.

So, let's be clear. Brad has nothing to do with this release other than I wanted a Beach Boys expert to write the liner notes. He doesn't even have anything to do with how I am in possession of these recordings. That said, I understand some of the acrimony involved in the previous aborted release.

The way the campaign currently stands - we aren't going to hit the goal. I know there is strong interest. The Steve Hoffman thread had 1600 views so people found it entertaining enough to sit back and eat popcorn and watch. Call me naive, but I'm surprised by the reaction by some as this type of 50 year copyright release is very common in the UK now
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