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« on: April 20, 2015, 09:21:59 PM »

I don’t have to tell you things have gotten bad on SmileySmile.com. Everyone knows things are bad. Everybody feels the difference in tone on the board, or they feel scared of being screamed at and piled on by the same six or eight Kokotrolls who are running wild and who come out simultaneously as they are dominating the board with their anti-BW agenda whenever there is a positive thread. We know that their rants are completely unfit in relation to reality and even more unfit to read, and yet we sit there and absorb it day in and day out, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be. We know things are bad...they are worse than bad, they are crazy. It’s depressing. Anyone sane here wants to have decent intelligent discussions about The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson, but a small group of zealots from the state of KokoDopia have intentionally hijacked this board and continually clog up threads with a specific agenda: delegitimize anything and everything related to Brian Wilson. There is nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do about it and there's no end to it.

Now I don't know what to tell you on what to do about the Vibe Room police who patrol and troll these threads, you know who they are, I don’t have to point them out to you. Then you sit in front of your computer screens, thinking of playing with your PS4s, while some uninformed self- anointed expert rants about phantom Autotune, vocal processing and Joe Thomas as if it were all fact and the way it’s supposed to be instead of what it really is: just a cavalcade of wankers with an agenda and on a mission, who know as much about the recording process as they do about fornicating. But some of you just sit there and accept this garbage and say nothing.  It's almost as if you are asking them to just, please, let me have my iPad , my iPhone, my PS4 and my computer and I won’t say anything, just please let us have our little space to listen to and enjoy No Pier Pressure in peace and leave us alone.

Well I'm not going to leave you alone, I want you to get MAD. I don’t want you to protest about the board, I don’t want you to write to the moderators because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the "neutral" board historian who will not admit publicly he is solidly in Mike Love’s camp, who will not admit publicly he is working with Mike Love on his book, who has already tried to rewrite Beach Boys history on this board, to tailor it to this fictional alternate KokoDopian reality, who tries and has succeeded in getting members who he vehemently disagrees with banned - someone who bullies anyone who doesn't bend the knee off of the board. I don’t know what to tell you about all the lies and spin like the firing of Randell Kirsch, like the Love termination of C50, the phantom Autotune and all the other fabrications of the Vibe Room police, all I know is first YOU’VE GOT TO GET MAD. You have to say "I am a knowledgeable, serious fan, Gosh Darn it, my opinion has value." This band and it’s creative force Brian Wilson have meaning. The legacy of the greatest band in American history should not be cheerleaders, Stamos, Pisces Brothers and wheeennnnnn.
One original member and a replacement of an original member do not constitute The Beach Boys.

So: I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs.  I want you to get up right now, grab your copy of Summer in Paradise, and go to the window, open it, throw it out, then stick your head out, and yell  "I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE."  I want you to get up right now, get up, go to your windows, open them, stick your head out, toss out your copy of Summer in Paradise and yell "I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE." Then we’ll figure out what to do about the Vibe Room Cops and the spin control and the former neutral board historian trying to rewrite Beach Boys history. Things have got to change but first YOU’VE GOT TO GET MAD. You have to say I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE. Keep yelling it, don’t stop.  I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE.  Go to your computers, login to your accounts, go to the message board and post: I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2015, 09:57:59 PM »

I think my SIP digipak is worth about $60 so I'll pass.....
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2015, 10:02:20 PM »

I think my SIP digipak is worth about $60 so I'll pass.....

Just toss it out the window, have a few good yells, and then bring it back inside.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2015, 10:24:04 PM »

A compromise.

I'll play it, yell outside....and toss my lunch!
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2015, 10:26:22 PM »

We're having an electrical storm tonight.  Howling winds and rain in sheets.

Best not taking a chance of damaging my last Digi-pack copy.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2015, 11:11:16 PM »

Funny, Howard, Now: jump!  police
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2015, 12:36:13 AM »

I greatly fear someone has watched the movie Network one too many times.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2015, 01:05:45 AM »

I've never owned SIP, listened to it once and said "no way" - so I took my home burnt CD of illegally downloaded "Mike Love Not War" opened my front door to cyclonic winds, driving rain and 25 foot plus swell and cast that wretched disc to the horizon and I screamed, I yelled, I screamed louder, I cajoled but that freakin' disc flew straight back in the door ... I feel defeated, subjugated by the Kokomaoists, I'm a cork on the ocean, floating over the raging sea, how long will this cyclone blow, how long will this cyclone blow .... I lost my way ...
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2015, 01:13:38 AM »

I think my SIP digipak is worth about $60 so I'll pass.....

Just toss it out the window, have a few good yells, and then bring it back inside.
Mine only cost $10 and the neighbours horrible ginger cat is crapping in my garden, so I just might do it...
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2015, 01:29:34 AM »

I've avoided the board for a few days because I couldn't stand all that hate and insults anymore, now I come back and what do I find`? Another fundamentalist hate preacher with more insults. And I'm off again. Bye! Cry
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2015, 01:55:58 AM »

With this level of anger and hatred coming from the OP, i'm guessing "howard beale" is American.

But 2 posts? Which other monikers does "howard beale" post under?
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2015, 03:24:12 AM »

With this level of anger and hatred coming from the OP, i'm guessing "howard beale" is American.

But 2 posts? Which other monikers does "howard beale" post under?


I don't know. His other post so far is a very timely and well-written introductory post in the "Welcome to the SS board" thread. In it, he lets the world know that he is a troll. Great stuff.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2015, 03:31:34 AM »

The legacy of the greatest band in American history should not be cheerleaders, Stamos, Pisces Brothers and wheeennnnnn.

That is so funny.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2015, 03:40:29 AM »

With this level of anger and hatred coming from the OP, i'm guessing "howard beale" is American.

But 2 posts? Which other monikers does "howard beale" post under?


I don't know. His other post so far is a very timely and well-written introductory post in the "Welcome to the SS board" thread. In it, he lets the world know that he is a troll. Great stuff.

That was already pretty obvious given the name and photograph, though.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2015, 06:39:20 AM »

I do find it amazing that such beautiful, peaceful music (no, I'm not talking about SIP) can inspire so much hate, venom, and anger. 

And I used to think that David Lee Roth v Sammy Hagar got people whipped into a frenzy.  Doesn't hold a candle to Mike Love v Brian Wilson. 

I'm going on record as saying that I'm not really on either side of the fence. 

I have tickets to see Brian Wilson in June, with Al and Blondie.  I'm a big fan of No Pier Pressure, and I can't wait to see Love and Mercy. 

I also have tickets to see The Mike and Bruce Beach Boys in August, and I'm looking forward to an afternoon (yep, it's an afternoon concert) of surf, beach, and car songs. 

I will agree with the OP that the name Beach Boys should be somehow amended.  There are countless examples in music of fractured groups ie. Joey Molland's Badfinger, Jack Russell's Great White, Herman's Hermits featuring Peter Noone.  I think that after the final show of the C50 Tour, Mike and Bruce should've made a similar amendment to the name.  With the size of venues they play, The Beach Boys featuring Mike Love & Bruce Johnston would sell just as many tickets. 

And if John Stamos follows through with that All Summer Long movie, I will avoid it like the plague just as I avoided Rock of Ages. 

At the risk of being exiled into the Vibe Room, I just don't see why music fans have to pick sides. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2015, 06:46:28 AM »

I don't usually come out of the woodwork to post here, but I feel the need to say something about this ridiculously hate-filled original post. Talk about an agenda. I'm certainly not anti-Brian Wilson. In fact, he is my all time musical hero. But speaking as a professional recording engineer, those who have correctly observed the heavy use of tuning software (be it Autotune or Melodyne) on the Brian Wilson/Joe Thomas productions of recent years are not pushing a political agenda. They are accurately using their ears and observing a simple sonic fact. Whether or not you like it, heavy tuning went into the making of these records. To dispute that claim only reveals your unsophisticated listening abilities and lack of knowledge about contemporary recording technology. Okay, I'm out.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2015, 06:47:39 AM »

And if whether or not you like some manicured studio crap he put out at the age of 72 determines whether or not you're a true Brian Wilson fan, well that's ridiculous.
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2015, 06:49:47 AM »

And if whether or not you like some manicured studio crap he put out at the age of 72 determines whether or not you're a true Brian Wilson fan, well that's ridiculous.

You're onto something here.  At least the songs themselves are good.   
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2015, 07:07:53 AM »

I don’t have to tell you things have gotten bad on SmileySmile.com. Everyone knows things are bad. Everybody feels the difference in tone on the board, or they feel scared of being screamed at and piled on by the same six or eight Kokotrolls who are running wild and who come out simultaneously as they are dominating the board with their anti-BW agenda whenever there is a positive thread. We know that their rants are completely unfit in relation to reality and even more unfit to read, and yet we sit there and absorb it day in and day out, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be. We know things are bad...they are worse than bad, they are crazy. It’s depressing. Anyone sane here wants to have decent intelligent discussions about The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson, but a small group of zealots from the state of KokoDopia have intentionally hijacked this board and continually clog up threads with a specific agenda: delegitimize anything and everything related to Brian Wilson. There is nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do about it and there's no end to it.

Now I don't know what to tell you on what to do about the Vibe Room police who patrol and troll these threads, you know who they are, I don’t have to point them out to you. Then you sit in front of your computer screens, thinking of playing with your PS4s, while some uninformed self- anointed expert rants about phantom Autotune, vocal processing and Joe Thomas as if it were all fact and the way it’s supposed to be instead of what it really is: just a cavalcade of wankers with an agenda and on a mission, who know as much about the recording process as they do about fornicating. But some of you just sit there and accept this garbage and say nothing.  It's almost as if you are asking them to just, please, let me have my iPad , my iPhone, my PS4 and my computer and I won’t say anything, just please let us have our little space to listen to and enjoy No Pier Pressure in peace and leave us alone.

Well I'm not going to leave you alone, I want you to get MAD. I don’t want you to protest about the board, I don’t want you to write to the moderators because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the "neutral" board historian who will not admit publicly he is solidly in Mike Love’s camp, who will not admit publicly he is working with Mike Love on his book, who has already tried to rewrite Beach Boys history on this board, to tailor it to this fictional alternate KokoDopian reality, who tries and has succeeded in getting members who he vehemently disagrees with banned - someone who bullies anyone who doesn't bend the knee off of the board. I don’t know what to tell you about all the lies and spin like the firing of Randell Kirsch, like the Love termination of C50, the phantom Autotune and all the other fabrications of the Vibe Room police, all I know is first YOU’VE GOT TO GET MAD. You have to say "I am a knowledgeable, serious fan, Gosh Darn it, my opinion has value." This band and it’s creative force Brian Wilson have meaning. The legacy of the greatest band in American history should not be cheerleaders, Stamos, Pisces Brothers and wheeennnnnn.
One original member and a replacement of an original member do not constitute The Beach Boys.

So: I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs.  I want you to get up right now, grab your copy of Summer in Paradise, and go to the window, open it, throw it out, then stick your head out, and yell  "I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE."  I want you to get up right now, get up, go to your windows, open them, stick your head out, toss out your copy of Summer in Paradise and yell "I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE." Then we’ll figure out what to do about the Vibe Room Cops and the spin control and the former neutral board historian trying to rewrite Beach Boys history. Things have got to change but first YOU’VE GOT TO GET MAD. You have to say I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE. Keep yelling it, don’t stop.  I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE.  Go to your computers, login to your accounts, go to the message board and post: I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2015, 07:53:16 AM »

So: I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs.  I want you to get up right now, grab your copy of Summer in Paradise, and go to the window, open it, throw it out, then stick your head out, and yell  "I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE."  I want you to get up right now, get up, go to your windows, open them, stick your head out, toss out your copy of Summer in Paradise and yell "I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE." Then we’ll figure out what to do about the Vibe Room Cops and the spin control and the former neutral board historian trying to rewrite Beach Boys history. Things have got to change but first YOU’VE GOT TO GET MAD. You have to say I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE. Keep yelling it, don’t stop.  I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE.  Go to your computers, login to your accounts, go to the message board and post: I’M AS MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

Not mad so much as bored.
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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2015, 08:33:08 AM »

Go back in your hole.
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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2015, 08:55:48 AM »


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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2015, 09:13:10 AM »

With this level of anger and hatred coming from the OP, i'm guessing "howard beale" is American.

Nah, he used the term "wanker" so he's obviously from the UK.
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2015, 10:00:38 AM »

Post is too long and ranting.  what is so different here to warrant this?
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2015, 10:10:22 AM »

I don't usually come out of the woodwork to post here, but I feel the need to say something about this ridiculously hate-filled original post. Talk about an agenda. I'm certainly not anti-Brian Wilson. In fact, he is my all time musical hero. But speaking as a professional recording engineer, those who have correctly observed the heavy use of tuning software (be it Autotune or Melodyne) on the Brian Wilson/Joe Thomas productions of recent years are not pushing a political agenda. They are accurately using their ears and observing a simple sonic fact. Whether or not you like it, heavy tuning went into the making of these records. To dispute that claim only reveals your unsophisticated listening abilities and lack of knowledge about contemporary recording technology. Okay, I'm out.


What an all encompassing self-indignant statement oh wise one! But far be it from me to disagree - after all you're a recording engineer.

Oddly enough, your recording of Hop, Skip & Jump sounds like it was recorded at the bottom of a trash can. But I don't know anything. I've just recorded with Guided by Voices, Cobra Verde, Death of Samantha and many more.

Heaven forbid if a 72 year old man wants to make a contemporary sounding record that sounds with the times (as opposed to a lo-fi exercise for PBR swilling hipsters).
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