Campaign 2016

[filledeplage]

CSM - in politics you generally don't get a do-over and inflammatory remarks or those that inflame a certain population, tend to stick, even if they are apologized for.   You only get one chance to make a first impression.  And, overcoming that impression cost her that/those state/s.  There is little forgiveness in the world of politics.  A comment or an event, taken out of context can ruin a political career.

I agree with this fdp. So can you explain why this quote is acceptable, and how you can support a man who has admitted he doesn't like our POWs (his words)...

“He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

sdj - I am not Trump's, or anyone's apologist (I only can account for my own stuff.)  That said, when I heard those words come out of his mouth it was an OMG.  POWs are a much-revered species, as are other hostages held against their will. I hope he has made his peace with McCain, either in person or through party channels. At some time or another we all say a stupid thing or two.  

But, there is this element with him where he is really unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip, and that is a huge factor here. That comment could have sunk him and it didn't. It was a ridiculous thing to say. But, I also think he was able to walk-it-back even if it is/was not forgotten.  

Generally, I ignore the whole primary season, letting them all slug-it-out, to get to the general. This election season is different because of all the non-traditional stuff going on and this demand for transparency.    

[Jim V.]

sdj - I am not Trump's, or anyone's apologist (I only can account for my own stuff.)  That said, when I heard those words come out of his mouth it was an OMG.  POWs are a much-revered species, as are other hostages held against their will. I hope he has made his peace with McCain, either in person or through party channels. At some time or another we all say a stupid thing or two.  

But, there is this element with him where he is really unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip, and that is a huge factor here. That comment could have sunk him and it didn't. It was a ridiculous thing to say. But, I also think he was able to walk-it-back even if it is/was not forgotten.  

Generally, I ignore the whole primary season, letting them all slug-it-out, to get to the general. This election season is different because of all the non-traditional stuff going on and this demand for transparency.

See, and this is why Emily has taken you to task so much. And I asked the Trump question just to get you to this point.

So let's go through this. Being "unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip" means that you have to be unbelievably prickish and say you only like the ones who weren't captured? I've known quite a few major assholes and I'm pretty sure I have never, ever, ever met somebody who disrespected POWs the way your buddy Donny did.

I personally don't know why being unschooled in politics means you can say incredibly horrible things like that. Sounds like maybe you're making an excuse for him. And since he's never apologized for this statement, I guess we can take that to mean that he did indeed say what he thinks. You say he "walked-it-back" but I don't recall that. As far as the eye can see, he never made any gesture towards making it up to John McCain who graciously said that he doesn't want an apology but that "there's a body of American heroes who would like to see him retract that statement."

You also say that you generally ignore the whole primary season, and maybe generally you do, but judging from your posts during this primary season you've been right on top of things offering your opinion every step of the way.

Also interesting that Hillary can say something not all that bad about coal mining and you will hang her out to dry, but when your orange-hued friend says something so freakin' disgusting about our POWs you can just rationalize it away.

Sure is odd.

[filledeplage]

sdj - I am not Trump's, or anyone's apologist (I only can account for my own stuff.)  That said, when I heard those words come out of his mouth it was an OMG.  POWs are a much-revered species, as are other hostages held against their will. I hope he has made his peace with McCain, either in person or through party channels. At some time or another we all say a stupid thing or two.  

But, there is this element with him where he is really unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip, and that is a huge factor here. That comment could have sunk him and it didn't. It was a ridiculous thing to say. But, I also think he was able to walk-it-back even if it is/was not forgotten.  

Generally, I ignore the whole primary season, letting them all slug-it-out, to get to the general. This election season is different because of all the non-traditional stuff going on and this demand for transparency.

See, and this is why Emily has taken you to task so much. And I asked the Trump question just to get you to this point.

So let's go through this. Being "unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip" means that you have to be unbelievably prickish and say you only like the ones who weren't captured? I've known quite a few major assholes and I'm pretty sure I have never, ever, ever met somebody who disrespected POWs the way your buddy Donny did.

I personally don't know why being unschooled in politics means you can say incredibly horrible things like that. Sounds like maybe you're making an excuse for him. And since he's never apologized for this statement, I guess we can take that to mean that he did indeed say what he thinks. You say he "walked-it-back" but I don't recall that. As far as the eye can see, he never made any gesture towards making it up to John McCain who graciously said that he doesn't want an apology but that "there's a body of American heroes who would like to see him retract that statement."

You also say that you generally ignore the whole primary season, and maybe generally you do, but judging from your posts during this primary season you've been right on top of things offering your opinion every step of the way.

Also interesting that Hillary can say something not all that bad about coal mining and you will hang her out to dry, but when your orange-hued friend says something so freakin' disgusting about our POWs you can just rationalize it away.

Sure is odd.

sdj - you asked me a question. It had nothing to do with Emily.  It was a bait question.  I am not making an excuse for Trump but looking at it having had management experience in the field, and on the Democratic side.  So, I know what a first run in a political race is all about, and where people make mistakes in a campaign. I am looking at both sides.  Not necessarily "taking a side."

Emily is not the arbiter on this forum.  Emily is responsible for Emily. I am responsible for myself.  We come from all generations and viewpoints and have the right to express so long as it is respectful.  We don't check off a box when we sign up for this forum for Democrat, Republican, Independent, Socialist or uninvolved.

That was just a general comment on the primary elections whether local or national.  It was just off-the-cuff.

And, Hillary is in the position of being unfavorable to the miners. That is on her. She lost those votes.    

You get a vote, Emily gets a vote and I get a vote to expend as we choose.  

[LostArt]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

[Jim V.]

sdj - I am not Trump's, or anyone's apologist (I only can account for my own stuff.)  That said, when I heard those words come out of his mouth it was an OMG.  POWs are a much-revered species, as are other hostages held against their will. I hope he has made his peace with McCain, either in person or through party channels. At some time or another we all say a stupid thing or two.   

But, there is this element with him where he is really unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip, and that is a huge factor here. That comment could have sunk him and it didn't. It was a ridiculous thing to say. But, I also think he was able to walk-it-back even if it is/was not forgotten.   

Generally, I ignore the whole primary season, letting them all slug-it-out, to get to the general. This election season is different because of all the non-traditional stuff going on and this demand for transparency.

See, and this is why Emily has taken you to task so much. And I asked the Trump question just to get you to this point.

So let's go through this. Being "unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip" means that you have to be unbelievably prickish and say you only like the ones who weren't captured? I've known quite a few major assholes and I'm pretty sure I have never, ever, ever met somebody who disrespected POWs the way your buddy Donny did.

I personally don't know why being unschooled in politics means you can say incredibly horrible things like that. Sounds like maybe you're making an excuse for him. And since he's never apologized for this statement, I guess we can take that to mean that he did indeed say what he thinks. You say he "walked-it-back" but I don't recall that. As far as the eye can see, he never made any gesture towards making it up to John McCain who graciously said that he doesn't want an apology but that "there's a body of American heroes who would like to see him retract that statement."

You also say that you generally ignore the whole primary season, and maybe generally you do, but judging from your posts during this primary season you've been right on top of things offering your opinion every step of the way.

Also interesting that Hillary can say something not all that bad about coal mining and you will hang her out to dry, but when your orange-hued friend says something so freakin' disgusting about our POWs you can just rationalize it away.

Sure is odd.

sdj - you asked me a question. It had nothing to do with Emily.  It was a bait question.  I am not making an excuse for Trump but looking at it having had management experience in the field, and on the Democratic side.  So, I know what a first run in a political race is all about, and where people make mistakes in a campaign. I am looking at both sides.  Not necessarily "taking a side."

Emily is not the arbiter on this forum.  Emily is responsible for Emily. I am responsible for myself.  We come from all generations and viewpoints and have the right to express so long as it is respectful.  We don't check off a box when we sign up for this forum for Democrat, Republican, Independent, Socialist or uninvolved.

That was just a general comment on the primary elections whether local or national.  It was just off-the-cuff.

And, Hillary is in the position of being unfavorable to the miners. That is on her. She lost those votes.   

You get a vote, Emily gets a vote and I get a vote to expend as we choose. 

Who deserves whose voter more?

Trump with the POWs he disrespected so disgustingly? Or Hillary with the miners?

And I see that you say if Trump said sorry then all with POWs should be forgiven. So seeing that Hillary did apologize, should the miners consider her again?

[filledeplage]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

[filledeplage]

sdj - I am not Trump's, or anyone's apologist (I only can account for my own stuff.)  That said, when I heard those words come out of his mouth it was an OMG.  POWs are a much-revered species, as are other hostages held against their will. I hope he has made his peace with McCain, either in person or through party channels. At some time or another we all say a stupid thing or two.   

But, there is this element with him where he is really unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip, and that is a huge factor here. That comment could have sunk him and it didn't. It was a ridiculous thing to say. But, I also think he was able to walk-it-back even if it is/was not forgotten.   

Generally, I ignore the whole primary season, letting them all slug-it-out, to get to the general. This election season is different because of all the non-traditional stuff going on and this demand for transparency.

See, and this is why Emily has taken you to task so much. And I asked the Trump question just to get you to this point.

So let's go through this. Being "unschooled in politics and shooting-from-the-hip" means that you have to be unbelievably prickish and say you only like the ones who weren't captured? I've known quite a few major assholes and I'm pretty sure I have never, ever, ever met somebody who disrespected POWs the way your buddy Donny did.

I personally don't know why being unschooled in politics means you can say incredibly horrible things like that. Sounds like maybe you're making an excuse for him. And since he's never apologized for this statement, I guess we can take that to mean that he did indeed say what he thinks. You say he "walked-it-back" but I don't recall that. As far as the eye can see, he never made any gesture towards making it up to John McCain who graciously said that he doesn't want an apology but that "there's a body of American heroes who would like to see him retract that statement."

You also say that you generally ignore the whole primary season, and maybe generally you do, but judging from your posts during this primary season you've been right on top of things offering your opinion every step of the way.

Also interesting that Hillary can say something not all that bad about coal mining and you will hang her out to dry, but when your orange-hued friend says something so freakin' disgusting about our POWs you can just rationalize it away.

Sure is odd.

sdj - you asked me a question. It had nothing to do with Emily.  It was a bait question.  I am not making an excuse for Trump but looking at it having had management experience in the field, and on the Democratic side.  So, I know what a first run in a political race is all about, and where people make mistakes in a campaign. I am looking at both sides.  Not necessarily "taking a side."

Emily is not the arbiter on this forum.  Emily is responsible for Emily. I am responsible for myself.  We come from all generations and viewpoints and have the right to express so long as it is respectful.  We don't check off a box when we sign up for this forum for Democrat, Republican, Independent, Socialist or uninvolved.

That was just a general comment on the primary elections whether local or national.  It was just off-the-cuff.

And, Hillary is in the position of being unfavorable to the miners. That is on her. She lost those votes.   

You get a vote, Emily gets a vote and I get a vote to expend as we choose. 

Who deserves whose voter more?

Trump with the POWs he disrespected so disgustingly? Or Hillary with the miners?

sdj - have you ever considered that he might have had some "beef" with McCain that is completely unrelated to that debate or forum? 

And, I agreed with the inappropriateness of the comment.  Hillary is already/or has been in a government position of authority.  Trump is a candidate who, to the best of my knowledge has never held elected office.  Hillary is a career-connected politician, working on policy while she was First Lady.     

[Emily]

FdP, you said she hadn't proposed assistance. I proved you were incorrect. There's no opinion on the matter. Just wrong or right, factually.
I'm aware that many people don't agree with me. And I have respect for many people who've disagreed with me, if their disagreement is not based on bigotry, greed or lies.

Emily - Hillary did not "bring" assistance. Your suggestion that I am "incorrect" is a semantic. Hillary brought an "illusory" position paper, after she told another audience that was recorded for the world to hear, that she was going to put them out of business.  

For all intents and purposes, Hillary cannot take back what she said. Hillary can apologize (which she did) can attempt to give it better or softer context but she said it, and unfortunately she is not "necessarily" speaking her own mind but parroting the WH in order to continue getting it's support in my opinion.  

How are people (miners) supposed to feel who are being "laid off" en masse from their jobs? Are they supposed to go out and vote for her? Or worry if "she really supported them?"  At the end of the day, we each get one vote, and cast them according to our consciences and other factors.  

If a person differs from you, it does not render them a bigot, a greedy person or a liar. That is offensive talk.  
  

This is what you said: "she did not proactively have a solution, at least a vocational retraining solution for those who would be out of work..."
It is factually incorrect.
Considering that she did not lay them off, but she is proposing policies to help (which you deny), I think it would make sense to support her over someone who pretends they won't be laid off.
Differing from me does not render someone a bigot, greedy or a liar, but some people who disagree with me are bigots, greedy or liars. And yes, they are offensive.

Emily - I guess the difference for me, is that she is running to be the President.  She is only "proposing policies" - and - working to wipe out an industry prospectively is "laying them off."  And that is even if she is a step away and far-removed from the collapse of the industry and the calamity to the community which is already struggling.  The impact on those families is tremendous.  There is no balance in the plan and if there is, it is only on paper.  That is all semantics.  

Fact is, coal mining is going down. Fact is also that coal mining is a lousy job. If people work to bring better jobs to the region, it makes more sense for miners to support that. But if you, Brietbart, and the coal industry prey on the miner's fears, they'll vote against their interests and you are the one harming them. Do you have ties to the coal industry or something?

"Some people who disagree with me are bigots"...is what you are saying? We are mere members here, and not arbiters of one another.  We are capable of respectfully disagreeing.  "Correct" or "incorrect" and bigotry, which does extend to classism in my opinion.  The miners' as well as those in the agrarian context, have always been treated less well than the white collar community.  That is another form of bigotry and that is my opinion. They are voting Americans, too

If you have objections to me disagreeing with bigots then that says quite a bit about you.
All labor has always been treated worse than capitalists. Including coal miners. Maintaining the status quo in 'coal mining country' doesn't help that.
Facts are real. Nothing elitist about saying so. Nor about being against bigotry.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.

Not for Trump it isn't, nor for Clinton, for that matter, both of whom called for escalating military attacks, despite the fact that the evidence demonstrates that this has only worked to increase the threat of terror. So this is not "focusing on staying safe," by any stretch of the imagination.

[Emily]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

Again, you are talking about what 'people' are doing. 'Many people' are also strongly repulsed by a lot of his speech and his amazing ignorance and irresponsibility.
"Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time"
This is a funny quote. What does it even mean?

[filledeplage]

FdP, you said she hadn't proposed assistance. I proved you were incorrect. There's no opinion on the matter. Just wrong or right, factually.
I'm aware that many people don't agree with me. And I have respect for many people who've disagreed with me, if their disagreement is not based on bigotry, greed or lies.

Emily - Hillary did not "bring" assistance. Your suggestion that I am "incorrect" is a semantic. Hillary brought an "illusory" position paper, after she told another audience that was recorded for the world to hear, that she was going to put them out of business.  

For all intents and purposes, Hillary cannot take back what she said. Hillary can apologize (which she did) can attempt to give it better or softer context but she said it, and unfortunately she is not "necessarily" speaking her own mind but parroting the WH in order to continue getting it's support in my opinion.  

How are people (miners) supposed to feel who are being "laid off" en masse from their jobs? Are they supposed to go out and vote for her? Or worry if "she really supported them?"  At the end of the day, we each get one vote, and cast them according to our consciences and other factors.  

If a person differs from you, it does not render them a bigot, a greedy person or a liar. That is offensive talk.  
  

This is what you said: "she did not proactively have a solution, at least a vocational retraining solution for those who would be out of work..."
It is factually incorrect.
Considering that she did not lay them off, but she is proposing policies to help (which you deny), I think it would make sense to support her over someone who pretends they won't be laid off.
Differing from me does not render someone a bigot, greedy or a liar, but some people who disagree with me are bigots, greedy or liars. And yes, they are offensive.

Emily - I guess the difference for me, is that she is running to be the President.  She is only "proposing policies" - and - working to wipe out an industry prospectively is "laying them off."  And that is even if she is a step away and far-removed from the collapse of the industry and the calamity to the community which is already struggling.  The impact on those families is tremendous.  There is no balance in the plan and if there is, it is only on paper.  That is all semantics.  

Fact is, coal mining is going down. Fact is also that coal mining is a lousy job. If people work to bring better jobs to the region, it makes more sense for miners to support that. But if you, Brietbart, and the coal industry prey on the miner's fears, they'll vote against their interests and you are the one harming them. Do you have ties to the coal industry or something?

"Some people who disagree with me are bigots"...is what you are saying? We are mere members here, and not arbiters of one another.  We are capable of respectfully disagreeing.  "Correct" or "incorrect" and bigotry, which does extend to classism in my opinion.  The miners' as well as those in the agrarian context, have always been treated less well than the white collar community.  That is another form of bigotry and that is my opinion. They are voting Americans, too

If you have objections to me disagreeing with bigots then that says quite a bit about you.
All labor has always been treated worse than capitalists. Including coal miners. Maintaining the status quo in 'coal mining country' doesn't help that.
Facts are real. Nothing elitist about saying so. Nor about being against bigotry.

Emily - Coal mining is a crappy job.  I would not want it for myself, or my children.  

But there are issues raised in that article such as an escalated drug problem where there is a huge school impact and most kids have lost one parent from an overdose.  That community needs more support before someone/or policy, substitutes their judgment to upend their lives any further.  It is not your kid or my kid but it is "someone's kid."

It is elitist to come in and destroy industry without a phasing in of new industry and training for this population. That is my position.  

[Jim V.]

sdj - have you ever considered that he might have had some "beef" with McCain that is completely unrelated to that debate or forum?  

And, I agreed with the inappropriateness of the comment.  Hillary is already/or has been in a government position of authority.  Trump is a candidate who, to the best of my knowledge has never held elected office.  Hillary is a career-connected politician, working on policy while she was First Lady.      

fdp, whether or not he had some beef with McCain does not matter. He didn't just pick out McCain when he said "I like people who weren't captured." He could've said "I like all the other ones, but not Johnny boy." But he didn't.

And one's words matter more if they've held elected office when running for office? So Trump can run around saying whatever the f*** he wants until elected, but Hillary should be held to an incredibly higher standard? Is that correct?

[Emily]

FdP, you said she hadn't proposed assistance. I proved you were incorrect. There's no opinion on the matter. Just wrong or right, factually.
I'm aware that many people don't agree with me. And I have respect for many people who've disagreed with me, if their disagreement is not based on bigotry, greed or lies.

Emily - Hillary did not "bring" assistance. Your suggestion that I am "incorrect" is a semantic. Hillary brought an "illusory" position paper, after she told another audience that was recorded for the world to hear, that she was going to put them out of business.  

For all intents and purposes, Hillary cannot take back what she said. Hillary can apologize (which she did) can attempt to give it better or softer context but she said it, and unfortunately she is not "necessarily" speaking her own mind but parroting the WH in order to continue getting it's support in my opinion.  

How are people (miners) supposed to feel who are being "laid off" en masse from their jobs? Are they supposed to go out and vote for her? Or worry if "she really supported them?"  At the end of the day, we each get one vote, and cast them according to our consciences and other factors.  

If a person differs from you, it does not render them a bigot, a greedy person or a liar. That is offensive talk.  
  

This is what you said: "she did not proactively have a solution, at least a vocational retraining solution for those who would be out of work..."
It is factually incorrect.
Considering that she did not lay them off, but she is proposing policies to help (which you deny), I think it would make sense to support her over someone who pretends they won't be laid off.
Differing from me does not render someone a bigot, greedy or a liar, but some people who disagree with me are bigots, greedy or liars. And yes, they are offensive.

Emily - I guess the difference for me, is that she is running to be the President.  She is only "proposing policies" - and - working to wipe out an industry prospectively is "laying them off."  And that is even if she is a step away and far-removed from the collapse of the industry and the calamity to the community which is already struggling.  The impact on those families is tremendous.  There is no balance in the plan and if there is, it is only on paper.  That is all semantics.  

Fact is, coal mining is going down. Fact is also that coal mining is a lousy job. If people work to bring better jobs to the region, it makes more sense for miners to support that. But if you, Brietbart, and the coal industry prey on the miner's fears, they'll vote against their interests and you are the one harming them. Do you have ties to the coal industry or something?

"Some people who disagree with me are bigots"...is what you are saying? We are mere members here, and not arbiters of one another.  We are capable of respectfully disagreeing.  "Correct" or "incorrect" and bigotry, which does extend to classism in my opinion.  The miners' as well as those in the agrarian context, have always been treated less well than the white collar community.  That is another form of bigotry and that is my opinion. They are voting Americans, too

If you have objections to me disagreeing with bigots then that says quite a bit about you.
All labor has always been treated worse than capitalists. Including coal miners. Maintaining the status quo in 'coal mining country' doesn't help that.
Facts are real. Nothing elitist about saying so. Nor about being against bigotry.

Emily - Coal mining is a crappy job.  I would not want it for myself, or my children.  

But there are issues raised in that article such as an escalated drug problem where there is a huge school impact and most kids have lost one parent from an overdose.  That community needs more support before someone/or policy, substitutes their judgment to upend their lives any further.  It is not your kid or my kid but it is "someone's kid."

It is elitist to come in and destroy industry without a phasing in of new industry and training for this population. That is my position.  

So you should support Clinton as she proposes doing what you suggest. Trump does not.

[filledeplage]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

Again, you are talking about what 'people' are doing. 'Many people' are also strongly repulsed by a lot of his speech and his amazing ignorance and irresponsibility.
"Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time"
This is a funny quote. What does it even mean?

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

  

[filledeplage]

FdP, you said she hadn't proposed assistance. I proved you were incorrect. There's no opinion on the matter. Just wrong or right, factually.
I'm aware that many people don't agree with me. And I have respect for many people who've disagreed with me, if their disagreement is not based on bigotry, greed or lies.

Emily - Hillary did not "bring" assistance. Your suggestion that I am "incorrect" is a semantic. Hillary brought an "illusory" position paper, after she told another audience that was recorded for the world to hear, that she was going to put them out of business.  

For all intents and purposes, Hillary cannot take back what she said. Hillary can apologize (which she did) can attempt to give it better or softer context but she said it, and unfortunately she is not "necessarily" speaking her own mind but parroting the WH in order to continue getting it's support in my opinion.  

How are people (miners) supposed to feel who are being "laid off" en masse from their jobs? Are they supposed to go out and vote for her? Or worry if "she really supported them?"  At the end of the day, we each get one vote, and cast them according to our consciences and other factors.  

If a person differs from you, it does not render them a bigot, a greedy person or a liar. That is offensive talk.  
  

This is what you said: "she did not proactively have a solution, at least a vocational retraining solution for those who would be out of work..."
It is factually incorrect.
Considering that she did not lay them off, but she is proposing policies to help (which you deny), I think it would make sense to support her over someone who pretends they won't be laid off.
Differing from me does not render someone a bigot, greedy or a liar, but some people who disagree with me are bigots, greedy or liars. And yes, they are offensive.

Emily - I guess the difference for me, is that she is running to be the President.  She is only "proposing policies" - and - working to wipe out an industry prospectively is "laying them off."  And that is even if she is a step away and far-removed from the collapse of the industry and the calamity to the community which is already struggling.  The impact on those families is tremendous.  There is no balance in the plan and if there is, it is only on paper.  That is all semantics.  

Fact is, coal mining is going down. Fact is also that coal mining is a lousy job. If people work to bring better jobs to the region, it makes more sense for miners to support that. But if you, Brietbart, and the coal industry prey on the miner's fears, they'll vote against their interests and you are the one harming them. Do you have ties to the coal industry or something?

"Some people who disagree with me are bigots"...is what you are saying? We are mere members here, and not arbiters of one another.  We are capable of respectfully disagreeing.  "Correct" or "incorrect" and bigotry, which does extend to classism in my opinion.  The miners' as well as those in the agrarian context, have always been treated less well than the white collar community.  That is another form of bigotry and that is my opinion. They are voting Americans, too

If you have objections to me disagreeing with bigots then that says quite a bit about you.
All labor has always been treated worse than capitalists. Including coal miners. Maintaining the status quo in 'coal mining country' doesn't help that.
Facts are real. Nothing elitist about saying so. Nor about being against bigotry.

Emily - Coal mining is a crappy job.  I would not want it for myself, or my children.  

But there are issues raised in that article such as an escalated drug problem where there is a huge school impact and most kids have lost one parent from an overdose.  That community needs more support before someone/or policy, substitutes their judgment to upend their lives any further.  It is not your kid or my kid but it is "someone's kid."

It is elitist to come in and destroy industry without a phasing in of new industry and training for this population. That is my position.  

So you should support Clinton as she proposes doing what you suggest. Trump does not.

Trump is planning to keep the mines open.  

There is newer technology emerging that will enable a cleaner burn with coal.  Is that a problem?  

If the process of mining can be made safer for the workers, and cleaner to use is it still a problem or is it politically-driven energy sources where those companies have lobbied the congress to use their energy sources?  That is pay to play.   

Hillary has "proposals" - and the head of the Miners association articulated in the article that you linked that they did not want "welfare."

Proposals do not put food on the table.

[Emily]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

Again, you are talking about what 'people' are doing. 'Many people' are also strongly repulsed by a lot of his speech and his amazing ignorance and irresponsibility.
"Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time"
This is a funny quote. What does it even mean?

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

  

I think most have been terrorized and twisted by your media over the years so much so that they can't think straight. A lot are just registering a protest. And I think a lot are bigoted.
How do you explain the greater numbers who voted for Clinton?

[Emily]

FdP, you said she hadn't proposed assistance. I proved you were incorrect. There's no opinion on the matter. Just wrong or right, factually.
I'm aware that many people don't agree with me. And I have respect for many people who've disagreed with me, if their disagreement is not based on bigotry, greed or lies.

Emily - Hillary did not "bring" assistance. Your suggestion that I am "incorrect" is a semantic. Hillary brought an "illusory" position paper, after she told another audience that was recorded for the world to hear, that she was going to put them out of business.  

For all intents and purposes, Hillary cannot take back what she said. Hillary can apologize (which she did) can attempt to give it better or softer context but she said it, and unfortunately she is not "necessarily" speaking her own mind but parroting the WH in order to continue getting it's support in my opinion.  

How are people (miners) supposed to feel who are being "laid off" en masse from their jobs? Are they supposed to go out and vote for her? Or worry if "she really supported them?"  At the end of the day, we each get one vote, and cast them according to our consciences and other factors.  

If a person differs from you, it does not render them a bigot, a greedy person or a liar. That is offensive talk.  
  

This is what you said: "she did not proactively have a solution, at least a vocational retraining solution for those who would be out of work..."
It is factually incorrect.
Considering that she did not lay them off, but she is proposing policies to help (which you deny), I think it would make sense to support her over someone who pretends they won't be laid off.
Differing from me does not render someone a bigot, greedy or a liar, but some people who disagree with me are bigots, greedy or liars. And yes, they are offensive.

Emily - I guess the difference for me, is that she is running to be the President.  She is only "proposing policies" - and - working to wipe out an industry prospectively is "laying them off."  And that is even if she is a step away and far-removed from the collapse of the industry and the calamity to the community which is already struggling.  The impact on those families is tremendous.  There is no balance in the plan and if there is, it is only on paper.  That is all semantics.  

Fact is, coal mining is going down. Fact is also that coal mining is a lousy job. If people work to bring better jobs to the region, it makes more sense for miners to support that. But if you, Brietbart, and the coal industry prey on the miner's fears, they'll vote against their interests and you are the one harming them. Do you have ties to the coal industry or something?

"Some people who disagree with me are bigots"...is what you are saying? We are mere members here, and not arbiters of one another.  We are capable of respectfully disagreeing.  "Correct" or "incorrect" and bigotry, which does extend to classism in my opinion.  The miners' as well as those in the agrarian context, have always been treated less well than the white collar community.  That is another form of bigotry and that is my opinion. They are voting Americans, too

If you have objections to me disagreeing with bigots then that says quite a bit about you.
All labor has always been treated worse than capitalists. Including coal miners. Maintaining the status quo in 'coal mining country' doesn't help that.
Facts are real. Nothing elitist about saying so. Nor about being against bigotry.

Emily - Coal mining is a crappy job.  I would not want it for myself, or my children.  

But there are issues raised in that article such as an escalated drug problem where there is a huge school impact and most kids have lost one parent from an overdose.  That community needs more support before someone/or policy, substitutes their judgment to upend their lives any further.  It is not your kid or my kid but it is "someone's kid."

It is elitist to come in and destroy industry without a phasing in of new industry and training for this population. That is my position.  

So you should support Clinton as she proposes doing what you suggest. Trump does not.

Trump is planning to keep the mines open.  

There is newer technology emerging that will enable a cleaner burn with coal.  Is that a problem?  

If the process of mining can be made safer for the workers, and cleaner to use is it still a problem or is it politically-driven energy sources where those companies have lobbied the congress to use their energy sources?  That is pay to play.  

Hillary has "proposals" - and the head of the Miners association articulated in the article that you linked that they did not want "welfare."

Proposals do not put food on the table.

The problem is that, despite what Trump seems to think, our economy is not run by a single autocrat. He can not keep them open. So having that as his solution is just saying that we'll leave the miners twisting in the wind when they close.
Staying with coal means more mountain-top removal mining which is completely devastating to the communities as well as the environment. But your interest seems mainly to lie with coal capitalists, not workers. So that wouldn't matter.
And keeping the mines open would be welfare. In fact, that region has had more welfare than any other for the last 70 years. So the mining association is just playing you with that quote. They've got tons of welfare. Maybe getting a new industry in there would relieve them of some of that.

[filledeplage]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

Again, you are talking about what 'people' are doing. 'Many people' are also strongly repulsed by a lot of his speech and his amazing ignorance and irresponsibility.
"Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time"
This is a funny quote. What does it even mean?

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

  

I think most have been terrorized and twisted by your media over the years so much so that they can't think straight. A lot are just registering a protest. And I think a lot are bigoted.
How do you explain the greater numbers who voted for Clinton?

Emily -

https://www.osu.edu/features/2013/ohio-state-develops-clean-coal-technoloy.htm


We need keep an open mind on energy sources.  

And, I registered a protest by voting for Bernie.  

Everyone who is sick of the status quo is a bigot?  Seriously?  

[Emily]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

Again, you are talking about what 'people' are doing. 'Many people' are also strongly repulsed by a lot of his speech and his amazing ignorance and irresponsibility.
"Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time"
This is a funny quote. What does it even mean?

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

  

I think most have been terrorized and twisted by your media over the years so much so that they can't think straight. A lot are just registering a protest. And I think a lot are bigoted.
How do you explain the greater numbers who voted for Clinton?

Emily -

https://www.osu.edu/features/2013/ohio-state-develops-clean-coal-technoloy.htm


We need keep an open mind on energy sources.  

And, I registered a protest by voting for Bernie.  

Everyone who is sick of the status quo is a bigot?  Seriously?  

Are you confusing 'a lot' with 'all' FdP?

[LostArt]

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

I would say that if "people" are scared to death of terrorism, and they vote for Mr. Trump because of their fears, then they are ignorant.

P.S.  I just giggled because now I can't get the theme song for Mr. Ed out of my head. :singing: A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a horse of course. That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Trump.

[filledeplage]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

Again, you are talking about what 'people' are doing. 'Many people' are also strongly repulsed by a lot of his speech and his amazing ignorance and irresponsibility.
"Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time"
This is a funny quote. What does it even mean?

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

  

I think most have been terrorized and twisted by your media over the years so much so that they can't think straight. A lot are just registering a protest. And I think a lot are bigoted.
How do you explain the greater numbers who voted for Clinton?

Emily -

https://www.osu.edu/features/2013/ohio-state-develops-clean-coal-technoloy.htm


We need keep an open mind on energy sources.  

And, I registered a protest by voting for Bernie.  

Everyone who is sick of the status quo is a bigot?  Seriously?  

Are you confusing 'a lot' with 'all' FdP?

Emily - Trump has the delegates to be the nominee.  I guess it is a lot anyway one looks at it.

[filledeplage]

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

I would say that if "people" are scared to death of terrorism, and they vote for Mr. Trump because of their fears, then they are ignorant.

P.S.  I just giggled because now I can't get the theme song for Mr. Ed out of my head. :singing: A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a horse of course. That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Trump.

Lost Art - no doubt there will be a lot of parody. But it is their vote to use or waste as they choose. 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

I would say that if "people" are scared to death of terrorism, and they vote for Mr. Trump because of their fears, then they are ignorant.

P.S.  I just giggled because now I can't get the theme song for Mr. Ed out of my head. :singing: A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a horse of course. That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Trump.

Lost Art - no doubt there will be a lot of parody. But it is their vote to use or waste as they choose. 

Yes, which is why we need to have a genuine discussion of the issues rather than simply be recipients of massive propaganda campaigns carried out, for the most part, by concentrate wealth and power, to confuse voters into voting against their own interests.

[Emily]

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”
 
“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”
 
“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

"A person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10."

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"

Filledeplage, knowing that you are a woman, I'm wondering how it makes you feel when the presumed republican nominee for the President of the United States says these kinds of things.  I mean, this is only a small sample of the disgusting things that he has said about women.  Obviously, I don't know who you are going to vote for in this upcoming election, but you've made it quite clear that it's not going to be Mrs. Clinton.  So then, who?  Gary Johnson?  Chris Keniston?  Darrell Castle?  Certainly an independent thinker such as yourself would not consider voting for someone as boorish and sexist as Mr Trump.  I'm seriously trying to wrap my head around why any woman would vote for such a pig.

Lost Art - Those are certainly inflammatory remarks. He owns them. Many are superficial, stereotypical, objectifying remarks.  I don't own them.  

Were they part of Trump's strategy to stand out and get a lead in terms of the election?  I don't know.  I never watched his "You're Fired" show, whatever the name of the show, I have no idea.  Once he became a candidate, I watched what has gone down among all the candidates, especially those who were pegged as "sure thing" candidates against a reality show host/businessman.

What I do know is that in this very unsafe climate, I notice that many people seem to overlook much of this talk to get to the heart of his message.  They are looking at cold-blooded attacks such as the Orlando massacre, San Bernadino, or the Boston Marathon bombing.  Those insults mostly sent in the direction of some of the media outlets seem very little when people voice concern that the American people are under attack.  This massacre is a hate crime.  Last night 2 cops from Paris were murdered.  

Now the focus is on staying safe.  The issue of safety seems to be superseding any ideological issues. I want to be safe and for my family to be safe.  This has not been addressed by those in power or those who want to be in power. Today there are a line-up of politicians who will make scripted statements and who will do nothing because their hands are tied.  

There were padlocked doors in the Pulse club.  I have heard nothing about those code violations and punishment for the owner or operator of the club.  There was no means of escape.  

Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time, if they have the skill and talent to do the job and leave the smooth talker to kill some other patient.

And, Lost Art, thanks for the kind words.  

Again, you are talking about what 'people' are doing. 'Many people' are also strongly repulsed by a lot of his speech and his amazing ignorance and irresponsibility.
"Given a choice for a good heart or brain surgeon, I will pick the sexist boor every time"
This is a funny quote. What does it even mean?

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

  

I think most have been terrorized and twisted by your media over the years so much so that they can't think straight. A lot are just registering a protest. And I think a lot are bigoted.
How do you explain the greater numbers who voted for Clinton?

Emily -

https://www.osu.edu/features/2013/ohio-state-develops-clean-coal-technoloy.htm


We need keep an open mind on energy sources.  

And, I registered a protest by voting for Bernie.  

Everyone who is sick of the status quo is a bigot?  Seriously?  

Are you confusing 'a lot' with 'all' FdP?

Emily - Trump has the delegates to be the nominee.  I guess it is a lot anyway one looks at it.

Ok...
I said 'a lot' are bigots. You said "Everyone who is...is a bigot?" wherein you confused 'a lot' with 'all'.

[LostArt]

Emily - there are enough "people" who voted for Trump, whether they are crossover Dems, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, or Independents.  

How do you explain that?  Is everyone who voted for Trump a bigot?  

Or, are they just scared to death of terrorism for themselves or their kids, and who are sick to death of the status quo?  

How do you explain that Bush had $10 million in media money, is 3rd generation entrenched in the party, and got his butt kicked by a newbie?  

Are they all bad and stupid or ignorant?  

I would say that if "people" are scared to death of terrorism, and they vote for Mr. Trump because of their fears, then they are ignorant.

P.S.  I just giggled because now I can't get the theme song for Mr. Ed out of my head. :singing: A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a horse of course. That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Trump.

Lost Art - no doubt there will be a lot of parody. But it is their vote to use or waste as they choose. 

That's what makes 'murica great.  What?  We're not great?.  When did that happen?  Well, that's what makes 'murica 'murica, then.