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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2015, 07:41:15 PM »

What if we took this election off.  We don't vote for Class President this year.  And we just live our fcking lives.  Wanna try it?
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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2015, 01:10:26 PM »

Anybody besides Martin O Malley.

I'm not sure how many across the country are aware, but he just announced that he's running for President. 

Don't be fooled by his charms or the fact that he's in an Irish band part time. 

He left the state of Maryland in ruins. 

He took a surplus left by Gov. Bob Ehrlich, and turned it into a deficit almost overnight.  He has done nothing but raise taxes and pass new taxes.  The sales tax went up, property taxes, gas tax, tolls doubled, and in the most ridiculous of all, the infamous rain tax. 

Despite the fact that Maryland has casinos making money hand over fist, the state was still overspending. 

As Mayor of Baltimore, he put a lot of programs in place that led to the riots in late April. 

He ruined Baltimore, he ruined Maryland, now he's going to try to ruin the United States.  I've changed my affiliation to Democrat just so I can vote against him in the Primaries.   
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2015, 01:23:20 PM »

In what way has Clinton Cash affected Clinton supporters here on SS?
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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2015, 08:29:59 AM »

Anybody besides Martin O Malley.

I'm not sure how many across the country are aware, but he just announced that he's running for President. 

Don't be fooled by his charms or the fact that he's in an Irish band part time. 

He left the state of Maryland in ruins. 

He took a surplus left by Gov. Bob Ehrlich, and turned it into a deficit almost overnight.  He has done nothing but raise taxes and pass new taxes.  The sales tax went up, property taxes, gas tax, tolls doubled, and in the most ridiculous of all, the infamous rain tax. 

Despite the fact that Maryland has casinos making money hand over fist, the state was still overspending. 

As Mayor of Baltimore, he put a lot of programs in place that led to the riots in late April. 

He ruined Baltimore, he ruined Maryland, now he's going to try to ruin the United States.  I've changed my affiliation to Democrat just so I can vote against him in the Primaries.   

Rain tax!  LOL  Nice.  Reminds me of the "Old World" leaders (they're back!) taxing the length of men's beards or some such thing.  One of the reasons people started fleeing the Old for the New World in droves.

The people burning and looting Baltimore shouldn't be burning and looting CVS -- but rather the government.  That's not a threat or endorsement of such asinine behavior -- just a curious and highly intelligent observation.  And here's the rub -- the looters probably aren't even paying for the "rain" anyway.  They're the ones promised the payout!!!!  Cheesy  Ironical.

It's also why these radical Demorat "Leaders" aren't really upset by the looting.  The anger and violence is safely pointed away from them.  Perfect crime.


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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2015, 08:50:12 AM »

Ah yes, Bernie is my candidate!  It's unlikely he'll beat Hillary but I'm glad he's in the race, he's making a bigger impact than I thought he would.

I'm going to switch from Green to Dem just vote for him.
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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2015, 09:51:21 AM »

In what way has Clinton Cash affected Clinton supporters here on SS?
Well, it affects every citizen and taxpayer.  The foundation conferred "access" to countries who oppress women for starters, access and influence in mining uranium from the soil of the US, using other international "players. This affects everyone on the planet, with enhanced nuclear capabilities in the hands of our enemies.  JMHO

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2015, 09:57:12 AM »

Anybody besides Martin O Malley.

I'm not sure how many across the country are aware, but he just announced that he's running for President. 

Don't be fooled by his charms or the fact that he's in an Irish band part time. 

He left the state of Maryland in ruins. 

He took a surplus left by Gov. Bob Ehrlich, and turned it into a deficit almost overnight.  He has done nothing but raise taxes and pass new taxes.  The sales tax went up, property taxes, gas tax, tolls doubled, and in the most ridiculous of all, the infamous rain tax. 

Despite the fact that Maryland has casinos making money hand over fist, the state was still overspending. 

As Mayor of Baltimore, he put a lot of programs in place that led to the riots in late April. 

He ruined Baltimore, he ruined Maryland, now he's going to try to ruin the United States.  I've changed my affiliation to Democrat just so I can vote against him in the Primaries.   

Rain tax!  LOL  Nice.  Reminds me of the "Old World" leaders (they're back!) taxing the length of men's beards or some such thing.  One of the reasons people started fleeing the Old for the New World in droves.

The people burning and looting Baltimore shouldn't be burning and looting CVS -- but rather the government.  That's not a threat or endorsement of such asinine behavior -- just a curious and highly intelligent observation.  And here's the rub -- the looters probably aren't even paying for the "rain" anyway.  They're the ones promised the payout!!!!  Cheesy  Ironical.

It's also why these radical Demorat "Leaders" aren't really upset by the looting.  The anger and violence is safely pointed away from them.  Perfect crime.



Yep, taxes went up when it rained.  Luckily, new Governor Hogan repealed it. 

I know Democrat leaders in Baltimore aren't upset.  Mayor Stephanie Rawlings Blake gave the rioters "space to destroy" after all.  It's going to start all over again when the charges for the six police officers are dropped. 
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« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2015, 08:35:45 PM »

Here's a graph of the grift.   Razz



This is YOU.   Hello

YOU pay taxes to this bastard. Cool Guy  The popular (& shallow twit) Class President.  
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The bastard gets elected by saying things about YOU   Hello  to all these nice people you've never met.  Afro Old Man Geek Brian's Trip Ninja Happy Dance Ahhh!

The bastard gets elected with ease.  Collects your money.  Eats Kobe beef.   Cool Guy
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These people's lives don't get any better Afro Old Man Geek Brian's Trip Ninja Happy Dance Ahhh!.  (Apparantly a bastard eating Kobe beef doesn't help the poor.)

Bastard Cool Guy blames YOU for that Hello  

They get more angry  Afro Old Man Geek Brian's Trip Ninja Happy Dance Ahhh! at YOU.   Hello
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This is a Cop  police   One day, cop kills a criminal.

Bastard knows what to do.  Cool Guy  Because Kobe beef is on the menu tonight!
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Bastard tells Cop to cool it and builds a monument to fallen criminal   angel

Strangely, crime in the neighborhoods doesn't get better  Afro Old Man Geek Brian's Trip Ninja Happy Dance Ahhh!

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Anyone wanna guess how this story ends?  Let's ask this basketball superstar for a hint...



Kobe Bryant:  I know this... it's Kobe Beef, Bean Bag!  Kobe Beef!!!  The Bastard gets his Kobe Beef!
Bean Bag: That's right basketball star Kobe Bryant, the bastard gets Kobe Beef!
Kobe Bryant:  That's right Bean.  And remember kids, stay in school and drink your milk!!
Bean Bag:  Ok, Kobe Bryant everybody!
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« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2015, 08:44:17 PM »

In what way has Clinton Cash affected Clinton supporters here on SS?
Well, it affects every citizen and taxpayer.  The foundation conferred "access" to countries who oppress women for starters, access and influence in mining uranium from the soil of the US, using other international "players. This affects everyone on the planet, with enhanced nuclear capabilities in the hands of our enemies.  JMHO


Can you imagine if RICK PERRY or SARAH PALIN took money -- IN THE FORM OF PERSONAL DONATIONS!!! -- to look the other way, and allow people to support terrorists?
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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2015, 06:03:11 AM »

In what way has Clinton Cash affected Clinton supporters here on SS?
Well, it affects every citizen and taxpayer.  The foundation conferred "access" to countries who oppress women for starters, access and influence in mining uranium from the soil of the US, using other international "players. This affects everyone on the planet, with enhanced nuclear capabilities in the hands of our enemies.  JMHO
Can you imagine if RICK PERRY or SARAH PALIN took money -- IN THE FORM OF PERSONAL DONATIONS!!! -- to look the other way, and allow people to support terrorists?
If anyone else did this...never mind the aforementioned... LOL
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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2015, 12:28:08 PM »

What if we took this election off.  We don't vote for Class President this year.  And we just live our fcking lives.  Wanna try it?

How's this for a change: I agree with you.

The presidential elections are among the worst aspects of political life in this country. A small handful of giant--I mean fucking GIANT--marketing campaigns that last at least half the term of president itself. People on the winning team expect too much from their annointed one. People on the losing team give far too much credit to the demon whom the foolish or evil have elected (or whom the courts have crookedly appointed). Both teams keep plugging along, making sure no other team gets a chance to play. Both teams keep over-promising and under-delivering. Whichever one loses always has an advantage by promising change. Upon its failure, guess who gets to do the exact same goshdarn thing? There are about three narratives, tops, that just get endlessly recycled.

And "narrative" ends up the right word, because the aforementioned marketing campaigns are all about stories, not talent. Not intelligence. Not proven success. Just narrative. The precocious hick kid who didn't know his dad but finds the new "Third Way." The "other" son who overcame his sinful life to find the right track. The mixed-race, single-parent raised inspirational orator. The stories win and lose. The suckers believe what they're told and go on to act as promoters, spouting verbatim catch phrases they don't seem to have thought through.

It's a sporting event. Two teams. One is good, one is evil, and which is which depends on which one you're a part of. Both are just teams. It's all a sport. Sport isn't life. It occasionally can be used for metaphors, for analogies. But when you mistake it for life, you've accepted a hilariously, pathetically limited paradigm. When you triple down on exclamation points, you paint your face. When you so consistently demonize the other party (in this make-believe world of two parties, of good and evil) as to be a statistical marvel, you take off your shirt and draw your mascot on it so the camera is sure to show you as it cuts to the commercial.

Except, oh wait, this is the commercial. It's one big commercial. Marketing. That's it.

So let's take this one off. Let's skip the annointed change candidate with decades of history. Let's skip the purported change candidates trying to out-crazy one another. Let's skip the original successor-son who is supposed to be the new Third Way (and, to be fair, pretty well matches it). Let's skip the "common sense." Let's skip the weird half-thumbs-up gesture that replaces pointing or fist-pounding. Let's skip the condescension of millionaires calling us "folks" and talking about these symbolic "kitchen table talks" they seem to think we have. Skip state-specific pandering. Skip billionaires' funding.

Let's take this one off. f*** 'em.


(Sad reality, we can't. Or won't. We all think one or another is less terrible than some other or another. The bases--not necessarily partisan slaves, but people with political interests--plug their noses and vote. The center falls for the marketing and vote. The non-voters are doubly preyed upon as deciders. And money wins every time because it can.)
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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2015, 02:45:55 PM »

Quick! Someone stick Ross Perot in an age reduction machine and get his ass up there!

I don't have a comment to make on politics (though I respect everyone's right to do just that - and like it even more when people speak in a civil manner to each other) but the mention of Ross Perot made me think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EFnYUVuR-E
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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2015, 08:00:01 AM »

I'll just be sitting back on the sidelines while the Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton acolytes destroy their chosen messiahs' campaigns.
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2015, 03:53:51 PM »

What if we took this election off.  We don't vote for Class President this year.  And we just live our fcking lives.  Wanna try it?

Let's take this one off. f*** 'em.

I would like this.
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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2015, 03:51:37 PM »

Time to make room in the clown car: Trump is in.
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« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2015, 09:08:52 AM »

What if we took this election off.  We don't vote for Class President this year.  And we just live our fcking lives.  Wanna try it?

How's this for a change: I agree with you.

The presidential elections are among the worst aspects of political life in this country. A small handful of giant--I mean fucking GIANT--marketing campaigns that last at least half the term of president itself. People on the winning team expect too much from their annointed one. People on the losing team give far too much credit to the demon whom the foolish or evil have elected (or whom the courts have crookedly appointed). Both teams keep plugging along, making sure no other team gets a chance to play. Both teams keep over-promising and under-delivering. Whichever one loses always has an advantage by promising change. Upon its failure, guess who gets to do the exact same goshdarn thing? There are about three narratives, tops, that just get endlessly recycled.

And "narrative" ends up the right word, because the aforementioned marketing campaigns are all about stories, not talent. Not intelligence. Not proven success. Just narrative. The precocious hick kid who didn't know his dad but finds the new "Third Way." The "other" son who overcame his sinful life to find the right track. The mixed-race, single-parent raised inspirational orator. The stories win and lose. The suckers believe what they're told and go on to act as promoters, spouting verbatim catch phrases they don't seem to have thought through.

It's a sporting event. Two teams. One is good, one is evil, and which is which depends on which one you're a part of. Both are just teams. It's all a sport. Sport isn't life. It occasionally can be used for metaphors, for analogies. But when you mistake it for life, you've accepted a hilariously, pathetically limited paradigm. When you triple down on exclamation points, you paint your face. When you so consistently demonize the other party (in this make-believe world of two parties, of good and evil) as to be a statistical marvel, you take off your shirt and draw your mascot on it so the camera is sure to show you as it cuts to the commercial.

Except, oh wait, this is the commercial. It's one big commercial. Marketing. That's it.

So let's take this one off. Let's skip the annointed change candidate with decades of history. Let's skip the purported change candidates trying to out-crazy one another. Let's skip the original successor-son who is supposed to be the new Third Way (and, to be fair, pretty well matches it). Let's skip the "common sense." Let's skip the weird half-thumbs-up gesture that replaces pointing or fist-pounding. Let's skip the condescension of millionaires calling us "folks" and talking about these symbolic "kitchen table talks" they seem to think we have. Skip state-specific pandering. Skip billionaires' funding.

Let's take this one off. f*** 'em.


(Sad reality, we can't. Or won't. We all think one or another is less terrible than some other or another. The bases--not necessarily partisan slaves, but people with political interests--plug their noses and vote. The center falls for the marketing and vote. The non-voters are doubly preyed upon as deciders. And money wins every time because it can.)

It's not so much the election process that I'm detesting -- yes, it's canned and predictable (the media will go through any Conservative's garbage looking for that got-ch'ya item -- like, a receipt for a pack of condoms or something, which will conflict with the Democrat & Media's view that Conservatives don't have sex or whatever).  But what I detest is fake leaders and them stealing our money and jobs to pay for their kobe beef dinners.  Let's do the Government Shut-Down (Volume 2  Grin) thing -- and just go without them for 8 years.

I don't need them is my point.  I don't think we need government.  At all.  People say "what about roads?"  We already got roads.  Let's go cold turkey for 8 years... and then decide, slowly, one-by-one what we really need.


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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2015, 10:23:52 AM »

Ok, the world is back to normal now: we disagree again!

(Btw liberals know conservatives have sex: all the abstinence-only education and corresponding teen pregnancy rates prove red-state kids still f***. Not to mention the delightful inevitable scandals when conservatives end up fucking gay hookers while using meth. You're missed, Ted Haggard!)

But the reason I disagree here is simply that society requires order. No government = no laws and no police. I think society as a baseline should try to guarantee citizens equal treatment/rights (not outcomes, mind you), with a charitable mindset atop that for the poor. Without government, without constitution, without law, the poor and weak are (even more) at the mercy of the rich and strong. I'd babble more but I'm at work.
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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2015, 10:35:48 PM »

Ok, the world is back to normal now: we disagree again!

(Btw liberals know conservatives have sex: all the abstinence-only education and corresponding teen pregnancy rates prove red-state kids still f***. Not to mention the delightful inevitable scandals when conservatives end up fucking gay hookers while using meth. You're missed, Ted Haggard!)

But the reason I disagree here is simply that society requires order. No government = no laws and no police. I think society as a baseline should try to guarantee citizens equal treatment/rights (not outcomes, mind you), with a charitable mindset atop that for the poor. Without government, without constitution, without law, the poor and weak are (even more) at the mercy of the rich and strong. I'd babble more but I'm at work.

Slow down.

No, the world is not back in order -- for, we (you and I) still agree.  Remember... to get to this point, we are first stripped free of the class President keeping order.  No government.  Then we (you and I) decide what we really need.

You cited cops.  Law and order.  (Don't tell Baltimore).

Keep going...
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« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2015, 05:50:17 AM »

No president isn't the same as no government. And the statement about "you and I" deciding what we really need would presumably end up being government of some form: any societal organizing force beyond, say, a family structure is, at some level, government.

As for Baltimore, what's your point? Things are terrible there, but my point that someone (police) should be entrusted with protection and maintaining order isn't lessened by Baltimore. There are corrupt cops, there are great cops. (I like to think my dad was a great one: 30 years on the force.) They're all human, and sometimes some do awful things, even systematically so, which is why we (citizens) always need to watch the officials in every capacity. No unchecked power. Conversely, there are crooked citizens, there are innocent citizens, and all of them are also inherently biased or flawed in their own ways. I don't like police brutality or killing, I don't like citizens rioting or killing, I don't like police stepping back, and I don't like citizens blaming everything on police. It's caught in a downward spiral-cycle of blame, mistrust, anger, fear.

But none of that eliminates the need for a professional, ethical police force to protect citizens and arrest criminals as necessary.
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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2015, 07:41:14 AM »

My point is, by taking 2016 off, it's an exercise of sorts in cleaning house.  I believe people are actually much closer on what we need from government than the political climate suggests.  And the best way to prove that is to do this little exercise.

In computer terms... if we reset the computer -- wipe it clean -- getting rid of the VAST amounts of spyware, spam, junk software, and only reinstall the programs we need (and use) -- the system runs faster.  It's not even debatable -- I've done this many times.  And this is true in all walks of life.  Simplify.  Throw out the junk.  We're literally being buried alive right now.  And I, me, you, them don't have the brain power to untangle it all.  So, wipe it.  Reboot, reinstall. 

I think the country would agree on 99% of what gets reinstalled, is my second point.  There's only a handful of programs (at the Federal level) that we need.  Have all the local nanny-state sh-t you feel you want... but at the Federal level -- where we ALL have to agree -- only about 2-3% of it needs to be reinstalled.  We're talking operating system-level.  Firewall.  Basic, basic shite.  However, I'm looking at the read-outs, currently, it's using 70-80% of our RAM/resources to power the basic operating system.  It should only be using 2-3%.  My numbers may or may not be off -- but my point is 100% correct.  The Federal government is a pile of horsesht.

The reason why this has happened is important in stopping it... but frankly, I've found that people are so rigid and conditioned, that it's really not worth debating.  So... let's just shut down and cut our losses, and reboot.

In a nutshell... people are way, way closer than we're being told.  And the powerful knows this.  Therefore the powerful are using contention amongst its constituency, driving wedges, so we can't come together and agree to send them back to hell, where they belong.  It's as simple as that.  Just look at the Powerful's petri-dish of Baltimore.  I could care less WHY it happened (which is what everybody's spinning their wheels debating) -- but I'm just focusing on that it DID happen.  As planned.
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« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2015, 07:55:37 AM »

It sounds fun, but this wouldn't change much of anything...when you have people who vote for a living, they will vote (and probably often at that).
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« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2015, 08:20:09 AM »

Uh oh, the sky is falling again, BeanBag: because we agree again, for the most part. Grin I take exception to the nanny state thing (if you meant that "you" as literally me), but mostly, I agree. This is actually why you've seen me in previous posts talk so much about the tone of rhetoric: because I think most of it is heat, not light, and it is if not creating, certainly aggravating and exploiting, honest differences. In a successful state, we can have our differences without worrying all that much about them, frankly. You might be interested in a book I recommended in the "what are you reading" thread. You'd find a lot to disagree with--and so did I--but it did have some good insights that I think align with our current agreement, too.

TRBB: even if there is more voter fraud than I believe there to be, I don't think that compares with the utter trash that is the 2-party dominance, as owned by corporate wealth. And I assume (apologies if wrongly) you mean the kind of alleged fraud that the likes of M Bachmann and similar types have imagined as pro-Democrat. If that's the case, it isn't working sufficiently to be a current "threat" anyway, considering the Republicans kept and won the House and Senate, respectively. Whereas the entrenched system of two parties picking talking heads to fundraise and spout the talking points written by their sponsors, and to protect their and their parties' political interests at all costs regardless of the citizens' interests or opinions...that's the more serious problem.
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TRBB: even if there is more voter fraud than I believe there to be, I don't think that compares with the utter trash that is the 2-party dominance, as owned by corporate wealth. And I assume (apologies if wrongly) you mean the kind of alleged fraud that the likes of M Bachmann and similar types have imagined as pro-Democrat. If that's the case, it isn't working sufficiently to be a current "threat" anyway, considering the Republicans kept and won the House and Senate, respectively. Whereas the entrenched system of two parties picking talking heads to fundraise and spout the talking points written by their sponsors, and to protect their and their parties' political interests at all costs regardless of the citizens' interests or opinions...that's the more serious problem.

No argument there. I may be an advocate of extreme capitalism; that does not mean I am pro-corporation. The military-corporate-industrial complex is something to be mistrusted. As far as the voter fraud thing goes, I'm sure it's a negligible amount. But there are many people who vote for a living. These people depend on the welfare teet. And I don't just mean the poor. Big corporations would be up sh*t creek without government.
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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2015, 08:30:10 AM »

"In a nutshell... people are way, way closer than we're being told.  And the powerful knows this.  Therefore the powerful are using contention amongst its constituency, driving wedges, so we can't come together and agree to send them back to hell, where they belong.  It's as simple as that.  Just look at the Powerful's petri-dish of Baltimore.  I could care less WHY it happened (which is what everybody's spinning their wheels debating) -- but I'm just focusing on that it DID happen.  As planned."

Sounds like dialectical materialism to me, and I agree with all but your first sentence, it is overly optimistic in my opinion.  There are a few who see what is going on, but the vast majority are clueless, they have no idea they are being played.  It isn't black versus white, it isn't Reps versus Dems, it isn't rich (average hard working rich guy) versus poor.  It's the powers that be versus everyone else.

My two cents, and worth about as much.

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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2015, 08:34:37 AM »

Government can only claim its power from the consent of the governed...and when you have people demanding big daddy government to keep them safe, keep them fed, or take care of them, the government will always hold all of the cards.
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