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« Reply #1775 on: November 10, 2016, 08:24:23 AM »

Listen, we're not going to agree, instead of dragging this out, let's just drop it and move on.
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« Reply #1776 on: November 10, 2016, 08:28:24 AM »

I posted Trump's 100 day plan for critique and comment..that was ignored and everyone went back to same fighting.
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« Reply #1777 on: November 10, 2016, 08:29:40 AM »

You're filling in all the dark blanks yourself. How many guys do you know ask explicit permission before kissing? It's not "forcing", you made that part up.

Mr. Trump described on that tape a scenario of forcing himself onto a woman. Nobody can prove he ever actually did those things (many believe he did in numerous other cases), but if you're trying to parse his own words into a scenario where he isn't describing sexual assault, as I said you're doing your arguments no favors. Nor are you helping your arguments by comparing kissing to groping someone's genitals. That's like saying ballroom dancing is the same thing as kickboxing.
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« Reply #1778 on: November 10, 2016, 08:32:11 AM »

I posted Trump's 100 day plan for critique and comment..that was ignored and everyone went back to same fighting.

It's true, I'll take a step back and let this thread get some life in it
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« Reply #1779 on: November 10, 2016, 08:34:36 AM »

I posted Trump's 100 day plan for critique and comment..that was ignored and everyone went back to same fighting.

It's f**king terrifying is what it is, even if only 10% of it is successful.

Go ahead, f**k with China. How does a business guy not realize how stupid that is?

It's a divisive, reactionary plan that undoes things that people voted for, that people expressed a desire for, and so on.

His repeal of Obamacare will take away coverage from many people, and replace it with something that will probably be worse and cost more.

George W. Bush refused to vote for this guy. *That's* how bad it is.
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« Reply #1780 on: November 10, 2016, 08:35:40 AM »

Thank you. I'm not trying to silence anybody, but I think my post was pretty damn relevant since this is the reality of the situation
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« Reply #1781 on: November 10, 2016, 08:36:43 AM »

I posted Trump's 100 day plan for critique and comment..that was ignored and everyone went back to same fighting.

It's f**king terrifying is what it is, even if only 10% of it is successful.

Go ahead, f**k with China. How does a business guy not realize how stupid that is?

It's a divisive, reactionary plan that undoes things that people voted for, that people expressed a desire for, and so on.

His repeal of Obamacare will take away coverage from many people, and replace it with something that will probably be worse and cost more.

George W. Bush refused to vote for this guy. *That's* how bad it is.
I an ashamed to admit I agreed with some of the things he said. Not many, but a couple.  Ending TPP is a big thing for me. THAT said  as a staunch environmentalist, there were things that made me weep in anger.
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« Reply #1782 on: November 10, 2016, 08:51:43 AM »

I an ashamed to admit I agreed with some of the things he said. Not many, but a couole.

Nah, you shouldn't be ashamed. There are surely a few things on that list that *sound* good. But some of those are implausible and kind of just remind me of how empty a lot of the points are. For instance, how likely is it that congress will put through a constitutional amendment for term limits? "Sure, I'll vote to give up my job!"

Particularly disheartening is the sentiment to basically just undo stuff because Obama did it. It's like redecorating, but with policy. He's treating the last eight years like the ex that you cut out of all of your pictures.

Rich are going to get richer, and poorer poorer. Obama didn't do enough to help this, but it will get far worse under Trump. Ironically, many, many of the people who voted for him will be personally adversely affected by this.
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« Reply #1783 on: November 10, 2016, 08:54:14 AM »

Trump winning the election is an absolutely horrifying thing.  I screamed and deeply felt sick to my stomach.  And I'm a straight white male who doesn't have to even worry about being personally impacted by lots of his venom ( other than wanting to weep for my friends who will be directly impacted). Pence is a turd beyond comprehension. Anybody who can't empathize with how awful and scary it must be for the LGBT community (just for starters) right now should take a long hard look at themselves.  I was no big fan of Hillary, and I was disgusted by the corruption that was blatantly exposed (and not properly addressed/apologized for), particularly with the DNC. And for many more reasons. But that said, I can't wrap my head around  anyone thinking that Trump was an acceptable alternative.

I am crossing my fingers real, real, real hard that Mike does not attempt to make any further public appearances with Trump, Regardless of whether he likes him or not. If people think there's a level of public disdain for Mike right now, that will go absolutely off the charts if "The BBs" perform a show for Trump.  

Like seriously, that would damage the brand in a major, major way. I deeply hope that BRI  would realize this and step in to prevent anything like that from ever happening.

Regarding this point, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Trump personally,  whether you think he's a complete vile sack of sh*t, or  whether you fully support his agenda that will strip away rights for so many, including women and gays.  If you care about this band having a legacy, if you don't want It irreparably tainted, I hope everyone can put their personal  political feelings aside and understand this.  Trump is the single most polarizing person who will ever become president in modern times. The brand does *not* need that kind of baggage by association.  I'm not attempting to inject a right or wrong into it. I know this is a free country. Or it purports to be. Right or wrong, association will damage the brand.   Association is truly not worth it to prove some sort of missguided point.
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« Reply #1784 on: November 10, 2016, 09:01:04 AM »

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« Reply #1785 on: November 10, 2016, 09:05:31 AM »

Trump vibrations Lips Sealed

I really hope that doesn't become an actual slogan.  I can't even laugh about it, man. It makes me so furious and disgusted.   Both Trump himself, and the potential for further association with my favorite band.
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« Reply #1786 on: November 10, 2016, 09:54:01 AM »

I will just leave this here.

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« Reply #1787 on: November 10, 2016, 10:07:34 AM »

I will just leave this here.

So after it was proven that Trump would have knowingly falsely contended the election was rigged, people protesting his election (which is not the same thing as "refusing to acknowledge the results") is a problem?

Trump wasn't contending he would disagree with or be troubled by Clinton winning the election. He was saying he was going to accuse the entire process of being rigged/fixed, presumably was going to potentially launch lawsuits, etc.

Pick a better analogy next time.
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« Reply #1788 on: November 10, 2016, 10:22:35 AM »

And now Hillary supporters are claiming the "system" is rigged because Trump won even though Hillary got more votes. The sweet, sweet irony of it all. Which, by the way, makes the analogy perfectly valid.

Also, in case you hadn't understood it, the picture shows that Trump was ridiculed for saying that he wouldn't immediately/necessarily accept the results, and now Hillary supporters are rioting and saying Trump isn't the new President to them. Again, delicious irony.
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« Reply #1789 on: November 10, 2016, 10:28:26 AM »

I don't know where you're reading/seeing/hearing that Clinton supporters are claiming the results of the election are rigged. I'm sure there are crackpots making any and every accusation about anything and everything. But being unhappy with the result, or lamenting the electoral college vs. popular vote rules, is not the same as claiming the thing is rigged.

Sounds like you're creating a largely straw man scenario to contrast against in order to create the "delicious irony." There's no more irony here than any other election when roughly half of the electorate wanted one outcome and then didn't get it.
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« Reply #1790 on: November 10, 2016, 10:34:05 AM »

I'm OK with the Hillary supporters / Trump haters questioning the system, or the merits of the Electoral College. 

I'm much less OK with the belittling of the intelligence and values of people who did vote for Trump.  But, you know, that's another case where free speech protects one's right to be a sore loser. 

I'm not at all OK with them blocking traffic in major cities, destroying property, and injuring civilians.  These people should be arrested.  And why hasn't President Obama called a press conference to try to stop this nonsense? 
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« Reply #1791 on: November 10, 2016, 10:45:02 AM »

I don't know where you're reading/seeing/hearing that Clinton supporters are claiming the results of the election are rigged. I'm sure there are crackpots making any and every accusation about anything and everything. But being unhappy with the result, or lamenting the electoral college vs. popular vote rules, is not the same as claiming the thing is rigged.

I said Hillary supporters were claiming the "system" (read: the electoral college, not "the results of the election") was rigged, so please don't change my words. If you're looking for a source, it's everywhere on Twitter. Check the trending hashtags. A few examples from within the last hour:

https://twitter.com/JeanSwenson2/status/796766491840565248
https://twitter.com/Boxerlovers1/status/796779414797385734
https://twitter.com/SpursDiva7/status/796783237225775104
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« Reply #1792 on: November 10, 2016, 10:47:21 AM »

I posted Trump's 100 day plan for critique and comment..that was ignored and everyone went back to same fighting.

Can post more when I get home - but would be curious as to how the US can make Mexico pay for "the wall." Will the US threaten Mexico with sanctions?
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« Reply #1793 on: November 10, 2016, 11:01:39 AM »

I'' sure you don't believe you do. Just like people who compare Obama to an ape or constantly respond to concerns about law enforcement with their obsession with "black-on-black" crime don't have a racist bone in their body.

Your hallucination of me sounds like a horrible person, but it's not who I am.
The majority of people deny being racist or misogynist, but if you deny the impact of those things in society or on the campaign, you are not able to recognize it outside yourself, so how would you be expected to recognize it inside yourself?

Because he is not being either racist nor misogynist.  Never mind that corruption, scandals, and criminal investigations have followed Hillary Clinton for the past 30 years or that she's often been painted as untrustworthy (which is astounding considering she is already a politician); her critics didn't like her solely because she's a woman! 
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« Reply #1794 on: November 10, 2016, 11:09:36 AM »

I was against Trump saying he would contest the results.  I am against these violent protests as well. This isn't the way to do it...if you want your voice heard, MAKE it heard. This just ensures it won't be. IMHO of course.
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« Reply #1795 on: November 10, 2016, 11:14:13 AM »

I don't know where you're reading/seeing/hearing that Clinton supporters are claiming the results of the election are rigged. I'm sure there are crackpots making any and every accusation about anything and everything. But being unhappy with the result, or lamenting the electoral college vs. popular vote rules, is not the same as claiming the thing is rigged.

I said Hillary supporters were claiming the "system" (read: the electoral college, not "the results of the election") was rigged, so please don't change my words. If you're looking for a source, it's everywhere on Twitter. Check the trending hashtags. A few examples from within the last hour:

https://twitter.com/JeanSwenson2/status/796766491840565248
https://twitter.com/Boxerlovers1/status/796779414797385734
https://twitter.com/SpursDiva7/status/796783237225775104
https://twitter.com/pdxcab/status/796764438271434752

I've been against the electoral college and have said as much every presidential election.  I am staunchly in favor of ranked voting in fact, and one person one vote, by the people. I think the system is rigged but not towards one party but rather to the 1%. It will continue to be so until the sheep quit baaaing and and rise up in nonviolent protest. The system is set up to divide us, but if the people ever truly united things could change. But it won't because we're all too hung up on party lines instead of what really should matter.
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« Reply #1796 on: November 10, 2016, 11:14:48 AM »

Protesting makes the "dangerous left wing" that a guy like Trump would thrive on.
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« Reply #1797 on: November 10, 2016, 11:20:28 AM »

I don't know where you're reading/seeing/hearing that Clinton supporters are claiming the results of the election are rigged. I'm sure there are crackpots making any and every accusation about anything and everything. But being unhappy with the result, or lamenting the electoral college vs. popular vote rules, is not the same as claiming the thing is rigged.

I said Hillary supporters were claiming the "system" (read: the electoral college, not "the results of the election") was rigged, so please don't change my words. If you're looking for a source, it's everywhere on Twitter. Check the trending hashtags. A few examples from within the last hour:

https://twitter.com/JeanSwenson2/status/796766491840565248
https://twitter.com/Boxerlovers1/status/796779414797385734
https://twitter.com/SpursDiva7/status/796783237225775104
https://twitter.com/pdxcab/status/796764438271434752

It sounds like you as well as those Twitter users are using the word "rigged" incorrectly.

To argue that the electoral college system, where indeed someone with less total votes can win, should be abolished or is arcane is a fair argument. Nothing new there; go back to 2000 when the same thing happened with Gore/Bush.

Rigged means:

manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.


As far as I know, neither Hillary Clinton nor anybody in her party's leadership are claiming that there was anything fraudulent about the 2016 election results. I also believe the vast majority of disappointed voters and Americans do not believe there was anything fundamentally fraudulent about the actual voting process in 2016.

You can find in every election and on every side people before and after elections calling everything and anything "rigged" and "fixed."

But the comparison/analogy here was to what Trump himself claimed, not what random people on Twitter were saying. Trump claimed the possibility of the election being "rigged" and made specific references to voter fraud and things of that nature. Ironically, even if Trump had no basis on which to make his accusations, I believe he was using the word *correctly* in terms of what he was alleging.

If Hillary Clinton was presently contending voter fraud or things of that nature, then the analogy in question would perhaps begin to be apt. But that's not the case.

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« Reply #1798 on: November 10, 2016, 11:25:25 AM »

I was against Trump saying he would contest the results.  I am against these violent protests as well. This isn't the way to do it...if you want your voice heard, MAKE it heard. This just ensures it won't be. IMHO of course.

Violent protests and things of that nature are indeed ill-advised.

But peaceful protesting is fine as far as I'm concerned.

My feeling is that protesters need to protest the people who voted for Trump as much if not more than Trump himself. But that's obviously not an easy thing to do or point to get across. It's much easier to protest one single figure. A march or protest against a list of perceived negative attributes of 50% of the voters spread across various states is much more difficult to discern.
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« Reply #1799 on: November 10, 2016, 11:28:31 AM »

The electoral college operates on the Animal Farm philosophy. ..everyone is equal only some animals are more equal than others.
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