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« Reply #425 on: April 17, 2015, 03:11:05 PM »

Our Special Love has been cited as featuring particularly heavily tuned vocals.  The original version on the Peter H album did sound rather tuned to me (e.g those high notes "can't be found anywhere (in the world)...").  However,  whilst I wouldn't be surprised if the NPP version has been tuned to some extent, I don't hear it and immediately think "autotune".  Would others agree?

I think whether it has `autotune` or not is of limited importance to most people. I think it will be judged on how natural the vocals sound. And on this song they don`t sound particularly natural to me which has no doubt contributed to this being one of the worst received songs on the album.

Without having taken a poll, I'd bet up to one dollar or even a euro that most people (also known as regular, average or "everyday" people) don't know or care what Auto-Tune is, and don't judge songs by how natural the vocals sound.
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« Reply #426 on: April 17, 2015, 03:18:12 PM »


Without having taken a poll, I'd bet up to one dollar or even a euro that most people (also known as regular, average or "everyday" people) don't know or care what Auto-Tune is, and don't judge songs by how natural the vocals sound.

I entirely agree that most people don`t know or care about Auto-tune.

I would disagree with the second point. For any non-instrumental, people are going to care about how the vocals sound. And how natural they sound is part of that. People can and have enjoyed songs where the vocals don`t sound natural. But plenty still care.
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« Reply #427 on: April 17, 2015, 03:19:35 PM »

I agree Larry, as otherwise there'd be no listening base for a majority of radio hits these days.
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« Reply #428 on: April 17, 2015, 03:21:44 PM »

I agree Larry, as otherwise there'd be no listening base for a majority of radio hits these days.

I think that is also partly a generational thing.
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« Reply #429 on: April 17, 2015, 03:33:34 PM »

Maybe it is partly a generational thing, because a lot of people like Daft Punk, for example. But maybe we'd all agree that what's most important is how a song sounds overall. The big exception, I suppose, being fans who want and expect their favorite vocalist(s) to sound as if they were singing in their living room.

On the other hand, I've heard Brian sing in concert several times in recent years and at this point I want and expect him to sound better on a record than in person. Maybe the point of contention here is how much better he should sound.

PS -- and that's not meant as a knock against Brian. He's over 70 years old and has had a very interesting life.
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« Reply #430 on: April 17, 2015, 03:40:08 PM »

Our Special Love has been cited as featuring particularly heavily tuned vocals.  The original version on the Peter H album did sound rather tuned to me (e.g those high notes "can't be found anywhere (in the world)...").  However,  whilst I wouldn't be surprised if the NPP version has been tuned to some extent, I don't hear it and immediately think "autotune".  Would others agree?

I think whether it has `autotune` or not is of limited importance to most people. I think it will be judged on how natural the vocals sound. And on this song they don`t sound particularly natural to me which has no doubt contributed to this being one of the worst received songs on the album.

Sure!  To me, the vocals sound a little more natural on th NPP version of this particular song Smiley
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« Reply #431 on: April 17, 2015, 05:11:13 PM »

I just got the deluxe? edition CD - my sis in law bought for me.  What makes it deluxe?  Grin

On the first listen there were tracks I liked, and tracks that I didnt like. Some of it may grow on me with time thats the way every new album is but I must say nothing really "floored" me on NPP. Maybe I am kind of sour due to a couple of things -- I was not real happy how the whole concept of "Brian's new album" morphed over the two years from the Beck/ Wilson tour to the final release looking nothing like the tour.  I was looking forward to Beck on the album and the indications it would be the "rock album" Brian has hinted about over time. The wait for this was ungodly long too.

To me NPP is in the vein of a TWGMTR II, and while that is not bad its not what some of us were hoping for.

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« Reply #432 on: April 17, 2015, 06:43:20 PM »

I agree Larry, as otherwise there'd be no listening base for a majority of radio hits these days.

I think that is also partly a generational thing.
I think that's true in many cases, although it also has a lot to do with the music they were exposed to growing up.
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« Reply #433 on: April 17, 2015, 07:06:32 PM »

Yo...Larry.  I know you've helped me resolve computer issues in the past.  And no doubt I'll be counting on you for more assistance before too long but...that said...is that YOUR picture?

A N D...You think Brian has "had a very interesting life" do you?  Please explain. Huh

Oh...and no...this isn't 'fat'...it's experience. Wink
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« Reply #434 on: April 17, 2015, 08:46:06 PM »

Yo...Larry.  I know you've helped me resolve computer issues in the past.  And no doubt I'll be counting on you for more assistance before too long but...that said...is that YOUR picture?

A N D...You think Brian has "had a very interesting life" do you?  Please explain. Huh

Oh...and no...this isn't 'fat'...it's experience. Wink

Hi -- it's good to see you here. Nope, that's a picture of one of America's most interesting philosophers, John Dewey. It was taken around 1890 when he was teaching at the University of Michigan (before he gained much experience). I just like associating myself with him and his accomplishments. I'm a fan.

All I meant regarding Brian's voice is that, as we get older, some of our physical abilities aren't what they used to be (as many of us know from first-hand experience). Some singers, who are either lucky or take good care of themselves, live through the aging process better than others. I understand that Brian has been taking care of his voice in recent years, but that hasn't always been the case. Sometimes he sounds great in concert and other times he doesn't, which I (correctly or not) attribute to his age, his history and the luck of the draw.

How much Brian's singing was enhanced on NPP, or whether it was enhanced all, it's more than enough for me that he sounds quite good and that he sounds like the mature Brian Wilson.

(I had you in mind when I referred to Daft Punk above, but wasn't trying to cause any trouble!)
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« Reply #435 on: April 18, 2015, 04:27:36 AM »

Daft Punk!!!!!   Evil  Why I OTTA!!!   LOL  Anyway all I was expecting was a 'go fly a kite' kind of response...So?  We're, as always, good. Wink
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« Reply #436 on: April 18, 2015, 03:10:55 PM »

I agree Larry, as otherwise there'd be no listening base for a majority of radio hits these days.

I think that is also partly a generational thing.
I think that's true in many cases, although it also has a lot to do with the music they were exposed to growing up.

And speaking of growing up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGjjTiCW6w

Off subject, but figured this thread could use some positivity Smiley

And for the record, she LOVES NPP, although she said she thinks its funny that 'all the songs about being happy sound sad, and all the songs about being sad sound happy'
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« Reply #437 on: April 18, 2015, 04:28:21 PM »

And speaking of growing up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGjjTiCW6w

Off subject, but figured this thread could use some positivity Smiley

And for the record, she LOVES NPP, although she said she thinks its funny that 'all the songs about being happy sound sad, and all the songs about being sad sound happy'

That's an insightful comment she made, but YouTube says the video is "private".
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« Reply #438 on: April 18, 2015, 04:44:21 PM »

Fixed it.
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« Reply #439 on: April 19, 2015, 12:13:36 PM »

Cute video Billy...it would be cool for you to record your own cover of Saturday Night!
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« Reply #440 on: April 19, 2015, 12:30:23 PM »

I agree Larry, as otherwise there'd be no listening base for a majority of radio hits these days.

I think that is also partly a generational thing.
I think that's true in many cases, although it also has a lot to do with the music they were exposed to growing up.

And speaking of growing up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGjjTiCW6w

Off subject, but figured this thread could use some positivity Smiley

And for the record, she LOVES NPP, although she said she thinks its funny that 'all the songs about being happy sound sad, and all the songs about being sad sound happy'

My daughter is about the same age, but the song she LOVES is Runaway Dancer. Made me replay it from the live DVD a couple of times today.

We must be doing something right as parents...
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« Reply #441 on: April 19, 2015, 02:25:40 PM »

Radio review with David Beard

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« Reply #442 on: April 19, 2015, 03:44:33 PM »

Anyone remember when a lot of members of the board were raving about a Brian Wilson/Daft Punk collaboration? I think it was during the time period when "Get Lucky" was popular.

Maybe Brian's folks listen to us, and gave us a techno-esque BW song called "Runaway Dancer."
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« Reply #443 on: April 19, 2015, 05:21:02 PM »

Anyone remember when a lot of members of the board were raving about a Brian Wilson/Daft Punk collaboration? I think it was during the time period when "Get Lucky" was popular.

Maybe Brian's folks listen to us, and gave us a techno-esque BW song called "Runaway Dancer."

I've been suggesting it for the better part of a decade!
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« Reply #444 on: June 24, 2015, 07:44:38 PM »

"I don't use autotune" - Brian
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