Annoying Songs

[Chocolate Shake Man]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Turn of phrase. Did you happen to read the other sentences that I wrote after that one, where I go into more detail?

Good God...

Also, is there reason why you would rather argue my phrasing than to just be sociable and answer the question that I asked you?

I never argued your phrasing.

[drbeachboy]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Turn of phrase. Did you happen to read the other sentences that I wrote after that one, where I go into more detail?

Good God...

Also, is there reason why you would rather argue my phrasing than to just be sociable and answer the question that I asked you?

I never argued your phrasing.

Let's end this right here. Let us both use that pretend "Ignore" button. You and I cannot seem to have a conversation. I want to know when you first listened to SDT and you are doing your God-damnedest not to answer it.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Anti-war music was its' own genre. 

Student Demonstration Time is an anti-war song?

[Mike's Beard]

Catch A Wave
Little Deuce Coupe (And most of the songs from that album)
Fun Fun Fun
Finders Keepers
Heads You Win (Tails I Lose)
Pom Pom Play Girl
Louie Louie
Girls On The Beach
Most of Party!
I Know There's An Answer
With Me Tonight
A Thing Or Two
Do It Again
Our Sweet Love
At My Window
Don't Go Near The Water
Take A Load Off Your Feet
He Come Down
Most of 15 Big Ones
Much of the M.I.U. Album
Sumahama
Most of Keepin' The Summer Alive
Crack At Your Love
California Calling
It's Just A Matter Of Time
Kokomo
Wipe Out
All of SIP
Most of Stars And Stripes, Vol. 1
Isn't It Time
Spring Vacation
Beaches In Mind

it goes withou saying that Party, So Tough, 15B.O, MIU, Light album, Keepin the summer alive, Still Cruisin etc are weak, but being that ALL those albums were soley made for contractual obligation it explains it..

Where on earth do you get your facts from?

[drbeachboy]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Anti-war music was its' own genre. 

Student Demonstration Time is an anti-war song?

What were students mainly demonstrating about in the late 60's and early 70's?

[filledeplage]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Anti-war music was its' own genre. 

Student Demonstration Time is an anti-war song?

The "demonstrations" were anti-war demonstrations.

The song (Ohio) was a great song, but one among many.  

It wasn't a competition among these many songs.  It was a manner of strengthening the fabric of anti-war activism with many voices joining together to turn the tide.  Two years later the war was wound down, in no small part due to the music, media attention, activism and protest.  

A harsh song for a harsh time. Please read what Mr. Desper says in the thread I just bumped on "harsher sound."

[Chocolate Shake Man]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Anti-war music was its' own genre. 

Student Demonstration Time is an anti-war song?

The "demonstrations" were anti-war demonstrations.

Yes, but that doesn't mean the song itself is anti-war. The lyric suggests that demonstrations lead to riots and this is a bad thing.

The song (Ohio) was a great song, but one among many.  

How many other songs besides Ohio and SDT were about the violence that break out at protests, and specifically centered on the Kent State affair?

[filledeplage]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Anti-war music was its' own genre. 

Student Demonstration Time is an anti-war song?

The "demonstrations" were anti-war demonstrations.

Yes, but that doesn't mean the song itself is anti-war. The lyric suggests that demonstrations lead to riots and this is a bad thing.

The song (Ohio) was a great song, but one among many.  

How many other songs besides Ohio and SDT were about the violence that break out at protests, and specifically centered on the Kent State affair?

x
Wiki classifies it as an "anti-war" song.  It might be a good place to start your research on anti-war songs. 

[drbeachboy]

The song relays that the police cause the riots, not the demonstrators. Peaceful demonstrations being interfered with by the police. That words are answered by police violence.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Anti-war music was its' own genre. 

Student Demonstration Time is an anti-war song?

The "demonstrations" were anti-war demonstrations.

Yes, but that doesn't mean the song itself is anti-war. The lyric suggests that demonstrations lead to riots and this is a bad thing.

The song (Ohio) was a great song, but one among many.  

How many other songs besides Ohio and SDT were about the violence that break out at protests, and specifically centered on the Kent State affair?

x
Wiki classifies it as an "anti-war" song. 

Which means that we can safely conclude from this that Wiki is wrong.

It might be a good place to start your research on anti-war songs. 

Good God. This is appalling.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

The song relays that the police cause the riots, not the demonstrators. Peaceful demonstrations being interfered with by the police.

The first verse doesn't suggest that:

"Down to Isla Vista where police felt so harassed/ They called the special riot squad of the L. A. County Sheriff"

But even if the song were against police brutality, it does not follow that it is against the war in Vietnam.

[drbeachboy]

If you read what I wrote, I relayed my experience only. I never claimed to "speak to everyone" as you suggest.

This is what you said: "Back in 1971 no one was saying that the subject was beaten to the punch by some other band."

Who did you mean by no one?

Anti-war music was its' own genre.  

Student Demonstration Time is an anti-war song?

The "demonstrations" were anti-war demonstrations.

Yes, but that doesn't mean the song itself is anti-war. The lyric suggests that demonstrations lead to riots and this is a bad thing.

The song (Ohio) was a great song, but one among many.  

How many other songs besides Ohio and SDT were about the violence that break out at protests, and specifically centered on the Kent State affair?

x
Wiki classifies it as an "anti-war" song.

Which means that we can safely conclude from this that Wiki is wrong.

It might be a good place to start your research on anti-war songs.  

Good God. This is appalling.

Good God, I just realized who you are. No wonder this thread is going nowhere.

[drbeachboy]

The song relays that the police cause the riots, not the demonstrators. Peaceful demonstrations being interfered with by the police.

The first verse doesn't suggest that:

"Down to Isla Vista where police felt so harassed/ They called the special riot squad of the L. A. County Sheriff"

But even if the song were against police brutality, it does not follow that it is against the war in Vietnam.

You argue to argue. We have done this dance in the past and this dance is done.

[bluesno1fann]

Catch A Wave
Little Deuce Coupe (And most of the songs from that album)
Fun Fun Fun
Finders Keepers
Heads You Win (Tails I Lose)
Pom Pom Play Girl
Louie Louie
Girls On The Beach
Most of Party!
I Know There's An Answer
With Me Tonight
A Thing Or Two
Do It Again
Our Sweet Love
At My Window
Don't Go Near The Water
Take A Load Off Your Feet
He Come Down
Most of 15 Big Ones
Much of the M.I.U. Album
Sumahama
Most of Keepin' The Summer Alive
Crack At Your Love
California Calling
It's Just A Matter Of Time
Kokomo
Wipe Out
All of SIP
Most of Stars And Stripes, Vol. 1
Isn't It Time
Spring Vacation
Beaches In Mind

it goes withou saying that Party, So Tough, 15B.O, MIU, Light album, Keepin the summer alive, Still Cruisin etc are weak, but being that ALL those albums were soley made for contractual obligation it explains it..

I wouldn't say either So Tough or Light Album are weak. Light Album is better than any album after that - except maybe TWGMTR, and So Tough has only one weak song IMO. Of course if you don't care for it, that's fine. But it certainly wasn't a contractual obligation album.

[Peter Reum]

Be True to Your School

[Cyncie]

Be True to Your School

Seconded.

[sockittome]

All this negativity!  THIS THREAD IS ANNOYING! 

[Lee Marshall]

Be True to Your School

Album version yes.  It was merely an unrealized 'idea'.   Hit Single version.  Absolutely not.  That's a postcard of North America...and an anthem.

If it was new and released this week.  Yes. 

1963?  It was perfection.

[phirnis]

Always preferred the album version of Be True to Your School by far. To me, the single version sounds a bit like a novelty song.

[CenturyDeprived]

Always preferred the album version of Be True to Your School by far. To me, the single version sounds a bit like a novelty song.

+1

The single version is way overrated! Album version all the way.

[bossaroo]

Student Demonstration Time contains some of music's absolute worst lyrics. just extremely poor taste, judgment and execution.

"bachelor of bullets" Mike? really???
no doubt he was very proud of himself and some of those lines, but it seriously never should have been released or performed, at least without a lyric rewrite. it's a blight on the band's history


funny that Mike was so offended or opposed to the lyrics for Hang On To Your Ego, yet wrote and recorded something as indelicate and insensitive as this sh!t

[shelter]

Pretty much everything on disc 2 of The Smile Sessions. It sounds like a really bad fever dream to me.

Don't get me wrong, I love Heroes & Villains, but those outtakes are just way, way too much.

[filledeplage]

Student Demonstration Time contains some of music's absolute worst lyrics. just extremely poor taste, judgment and execution.

"bachelor of bullets" Mike? really???
no doubt he was very proud of himself and some of those lines, but it seriously never should have been released or performed, at least without a lyric rewrite. it's a blight on the band's history

funny that Mike was so offended or opposed to the lyrics for Hang On To Your Ego, yet wrote and recorded something as indelicate and insensitive as this sh!t

No agreement, bossaroo.  These lyrics embodied what was going on with student protest in the 60's and 70's, contemporaneous to Carl's CO (Conscientious Objector) military draft status.  The most naive freshman entering college to be, for example, an English major or Education major, got a big slap of reality about the Vietnam War, and that their " education"  would not just come from a book and a lecture.  It was a sort of "Bachelor of Bullets" scenario.  Dramatic, yes, but to drive home a point.  

And, with bomb threats and massive class cancellations, as an almost daily occurrence, one might ask oneself what was the learning curve?  Was it Education for teaching, English, Biology or was it overridden by a building evacuation for a fire or bomb threat or students locking themselves in an administrative building? Personal experience on my end, and likely many others as well.

Comparing the lyrics to Brian's is not fair as Mike's BB experience was a different one with the band, while on the road, with his very outspoken cousin, Carl, risking it all by being a Conscientious Objector.  

They were doing different things and for different purposes, both to be respected.  If you look at it from all perspectives, such as translating the music to the "road and concert delivery, the lyrics did matter." That is where the proverbial "rubber meets the road." If an audience is throwing eggs, because they can't "get" a performance or lyrics, guess who gets them?

And, it disrespects those of us who were part of that experience was educationally formative for us, (whether we marched or just left after class was cancelled and reflected on what they were fighting for and started to become more aware of the news and government) and places the music in the "context of those times" which differs little in scope from the protest that is going on with right now, with regard the reformation of law enforcement policy in the States.

That message is not lost on the baby boomers.  The Beach Boys took the lead from those student activists (those 60's and 70's who did change the world) and created at least that song, accordingly appropriate.  I so respect Mike for hearing those voices.

[CenturyDeprived]

Remember (Walking in the Sand)

Those odd pitch-shifted (?) "remember" lyrics are so awful. So, so, so annoyingly bad. Are they supposed to remind the listener of anything but The Chipmunks?

[drbeachboy]

Student Demonstration Time contains some of music's absolute worst lyrics. just extremely poor taste, judgment and execution.

"bachelor of bullets" Mike? really???
no doubt he was very proud of himself and some of those lines, but it seriously never should have been released or performed, at least without a lyric rewrite. it's a blight on the band's history

funny that Mike was so offended or opposed to the lyrics for Hang On To Your Ego, yet wrote and recorded something as indelicate and insensitive as this sh!t

No agreement, bossaroo.  These lyrics embodied what was going on with student protest in the 60's and 70's, contemporaneous to Carl's CO (Conscientious Objector) military draft status.  The most naive freshman entering college to be, for example, an English major or Education major, got a big slap of reality about the Vietnam War, and that their " education"  would not just come from a book and a lecture.  It was a sort of "Bachelor of Bullets" scenario.  Dramatic, yes, but to drive home a point. 

And, with bomb threats and massive class cancellations, as an almost daily occurrence, one might ask oneself what was the learning curve?  Was it Education for teaching, English, Biology or was it overridden by a building evacuation for a fire or bomb threat or students locking themselves in an administrative building? Personal experience on my end, and likely many others as well.

Comparing the lyrics to Brian's is not fair as Mike's BB experience was a different one with the band, while on the road, with his very outspoken cousin, Carl, risking it all by being a Conscientious Objector. 

They were doing different things and for different purposes, both to be respected.  If you look at it from all perspectives, such as translating the music to the "road and concert delivery, the lyrics did matter." That is where the proverbial "rubber meets the road." If an audience is throwing eggs, because they can't "get" a performance or lyrics, guess who gets them?

And, it disrespects those of us who were part of that experience was educationally formative for us, (whether we marched or just left after class was cancelled and reflected on what they were fighting for and started to become more aware of the news and government) and places the music in the "context of those times" which differs little in scope from the protest that is going on with right now, with regard the reformation of law enforcement policy in the States.

That message is not lost on the baby boomers.  The Beach Boys took the lead from those student activists (those 60's and 70's who did change the world) and created at least that song, accordingly appropriate.  I so respect Mike for hearing those voices.

You know, I'm to the point now where with more & more people misunderstanding the lyrics, it has me questioning how it was written. I never had an issue with it, because I lived through the time written about. I remember the civil rights and anti-war protests. I understood that the government/police incited the riots, which started out as peaceful demonstrations. I understand how the words of protesters were answered by a hail of bullets and tear gas canisters. A thoughtful reading of the lyric tells you this, but a nonchalant listening may cause a misinterpretation, and apparently it has.

On a lighter note, this is similar to how the meaning of the California Girls lyrics were sometimes misunderstood by listeners.