Carl Wilson biography due September 29th

[Mikie]

sh*t! OSD wins the grand prize! Two keys of Lebanese Blonde Hash, a trip to Disneyland, and a grand tour of Beverly Hills including lunch with Brian Wilson at his favorite deli, and a walk around the park afterward with Brian and his 11 dogs!  OSD is officially the King of Oldfartdom unless someone else steps forward and fesses up!

[SMiLE Brian]

OSD!!!

[Lowbacca]

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Promised-Road-Wilson-Biography/dp/1908279842/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423419587&sr=8-1&keywords=long+promised+road

[Lee Marshall]

No Mikie...  It ain't me.  OSD has me by just a hair over 4 years.  I'm still a relative 'pup'.  And that's cool.   With my lungs on the fritz...the HASH is but a distant memory of  time well wasted.  And the walk?  With how many dogs?  Have fun.

I'm good.

To OSD...OLD F A R T Extraordinaire>    

[Beachlad]

Is there any chance that Carl may have started the process or took notes for a future Auto Biography that his wife or Jerry Schilling found or had ect

[37!ws]

I'm looking forward to Chapter 17: Two Mai Tais and a Valium

[Mikie]

I'm looking forward to Chapter 17: Two Mai Tais and a Valium

Yeah, a low point in Carl's career. Perth Entertainment Center, Perth, Australia. March 14, 1978. Carl slurred through God Only Knows and Good Vibrations, then fall down go boom!

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

sh*t! OSD wins the grand prize! Two keys of Lebanese Blonde Hash, a trip to Disneyland, and a grand tour of Beverly Hills including lunch with Brian Wilson at his favorite deli, and a walk around the park afterward with Brian and his 11 dogs!  OSD is officially the King of Oldfartdom unless someone else steps forward and fesses up!

I'd be more than honored to wear that crown and take possession of the throne (not that one)! Whilst I reside over Oldfartdom let no man cast a shadow of doubt upon who is indeed the oldest poster on this thy board. OOPS-completely forgot about BDW. Nevermind.  

[halblaineisgood]

Yeah, a low point in Carl's career. Perth Entertainment Center, Perth, Australia. March 14, 1978. Carl slurred through God Only Knows and Good Vibrations, then fall down go boom!

It was probably more than one valium.

[Mikie]

He was going through some personal difficulties at the time and he made a mistake. Luckily, he bounced back and kicked it. If it was indeed heroin, he got the monkey off his back quickly and lived another 20 years to entertain us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGXmt4TLdM

[halblaineisgood]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGXmt4TLdM

Lady: "do you ever take anything stronger than beer?"
 Carl:"sometimes I take a drink"
Carl was smooth with the interviewers.

[Lonely Summer]

He was going through some personal difficulties at the time and he made a mistake. Luckily, he bounced back and kicked it. If it was indeed heroin, he got the monkey off his back quickly and lived another 20 years to entertain us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGXmt4TLdM

It's unfortunate that some people make a big deal out of one bad show, or one bad tour in Carl's long career. Maybe because it was so out of character for him? I hope that's all it is, not a thing of "loving to see the good guy fall down".

[Mikie]

It was very out of character for him. I may be mistaken, but I don't think there were any other incidents that were ever documented about Carl being inebriated while on stage. While listening to him on stage that day it sounded funny, but I don't think anybody was laughing when he fell down. I think the band understood what happened and forgave him right away. But the Australian press obviously made a big deal about it, and he was still a little high the next day, as can be seen during the press interview. If he'd done it in America, it probably wouldn't have been acknowledged by the press - they were use to seeing singers stoned or drunk on stage all the time. Carl continued having his drinks before/after concerts right up until his last concert. Mike Love was very surprised and thought he should have quit as soon as he found out he had cancer.

[halblaineisgood]

Carl continued having his drinks before/after concerts right up until his last concert. Mike Love was very surprised and thought he should have quit as soon as he found out he had cancer.

It reads like you're saying Mike was very surprised he was having drinks.

[Micha]

It's unfortunate that some people make a big deal out of one bad show

It WAS a big deal, and the respectable part about Carl in that story is that he took the hint and got his stuff together again after that. Most respectable, I think. Never again did he sound as bad as he did on the three albums recorded just before that incident.

I could be all wrong, but I think that the termination of his own incarnation of the Beach Boys - with Ricky and Blondie - and the return of a not well Brian to the helm shattered Carl somewhat. On 15BO, Love You and MIU his vocals sound dazed, or drunk, or stoned to me. No new Carl compositions either. Then the Perth incident, and then on LA he sounds sober and gives great performances again. That's my take on it anyway, I hope I got the timeline right at least.

[Wild-Honey]

It was very out of character for him. I may be mistaken, but I don't think there were any other incidents that were ever documented about Carl being inebriated while on stage. While listening to him on stage that day it sounded funny, but I don't think anybody was laughing when he fell down. I think the band understood what happened and forgave him right away. But the Australian press obviously made a big deal about it, and he was still a little high the next day, as can be seen during the press interview. If he'd done it in America, it probably wouldn't have been acknowledged by the press - they were use to seeing singers stoned or drunk on stage all the time. Carl continued having his drinks before/after concerts right up until his last concert. Mike Love was very surprised and thought he should have quit as soon as he found out he had cancer.

You're right about the Australian press Mikie,  They made a huge deal out of it, like they do with everything.  Carl may have embarrassed himself a little on stage but it was truly the Aussie press that came out looking unprofessional, nasty and truly embarrassing.  Pack of rabid dogs.

[Micha]

Carl may have embarrassed himself a little on stage but it was truly the Aussie press that came out looking unprofessional, nasty and truly embarrassing.  Pack of rabid dogs.

Were you aware of it at the time it happened? You were very little at the time. I don't think in 1978 I was aware of the Beach Boys other than that the oldies radio show my father listened to on Saturdays used Barbara Ann as a jingle. - I'm not arguing, just asking.

[Wild-Honey]

Carl may have embarrassed himself a little on stage but it was truly the Aussie press that came out looking unprofessional, nasty and truly embarrassing.  Pack of rabid dogs.

Were you aware of it at the time it happened? You were very little at the time. I don't think in 1978 I was aware of the Beach Boys other than that the oldies radio show my father listened to on Saturdays used Barbara Ann as a jingle. - I'm not arguing, just asking.

Of course not,  I've seen clips of the so called "interview" with Carl by the Aussie media.

[Andrew G. Doe]

It'll be interesting to see if the book addresses this tour, and the background as to why Carl was, frankly, off his face.

[Alan Smith]

It was very out of character for him. I may be mistaken, but I don't think there were any other incidents that were ever documented about Carl being inebriated while on stage. While listening to him on stage that day it sounded funny, but I don't think anybody was laughing when he fell down. I think the band understood what happened and forgave him right away. But the Australian press obviously made a big deal about it, and he was still a little high the next day, as can be seen during the press interview. If he'd done it in America, it probably wouldn't have been acknowledged by the press - they were use to seeing singers stoned or drunk on stage all the time. Carl continued having his drinks before/after concerts right up until his last concert. Mike Love was very surprised and thought he should have quit as soon as he found out he had cancer.

You're right about the Australian press Mikie,  They made a huge deal out of it, like they do with everything.  Carl may have embarrassed himself a little on stage but it was truly the Aussie press that came out looking unprofessional, nasty and truly embarrassing.  Pack of rabid dogs.

Buck-and-a-half hookers

[HeyJude]

Carl was so private that this is kind of a Catch-22 situation... if anyone close to Carl spoke to the biographer, they probably wouldn't have given much away. And if no one spoke to the biographer, what's he really gonna tell us that we can't find from using the search function on this board?

Does anyone really think this is going to be a great biography?

Having said that, i don't know much about Carl's life so it'd be interesting to find out even a little more.

These are good and important questions. I’m hopeful this will have some insight and tell us things we don’t already know. As I mentioned in another thread, I would hope the author had access to some friends and family so that we get some degree of new info. If we just get a reiteration of past biographies with a more narrow focus towards Carl-related events, then it indeed could just end up being like Carlin’s book without as much solo Brian information. I would hope the author was able to get some real, firm, new information and insights. And/or that the author is just *really* good at sleuthing extant sources for info we didn’t already know about Carl.

I would hope but would not expect that any associates that talked to the author would be willing to be frank (but respectful) and get into things like the Australia 1978 debacle, the mid-late 90’s inter-band politics (Mike/Al, Carl’s attitude towards the Paley material, etc.), and so on. 

[37!ws]

Yeah, a low point in Carl's career. Perth Entertainment Center, Perth, Australia. March 14, 1978. Carl slurred through God Only Knows and Good Vibrations, then fall down go boom!

It was probably more than one valium.

From what I heard from a reliable (and, sadly, departed) source...it was more like two Mai Tais, a valium....and a few shots of H.

[37!ws]

I could be all wrong, but I think that the termination of his own incarnation of the Beach Boys - with Ricky and Blondie - and the return of a not well Brian to the helm shattered Carl somewhat. On 15BO, Love You and MIU his vocals sound dazed, or drunk, or stoned to me. No new Carl compositions either. Then the Perth incident, and then on LA he sounds sober and gives great performances again. That's my take on it anyway, I hope I got the timeline right at least.

I admire the guy for going through all he had to go through and not come out in worse shape than he did...on the other hand, I'm sure his early death may have been brought on by all the crap he had to deal with. Yeah, he was a heavy smoker for a long time, and yeah, I'm sure that was undoubtedly a primary cause, but being essentially the adult of the group (even at age 18 he was running the rehearsals, even with Brian present!...and Audree said he was "born 40"), watching both of his brothers destroy themselves (I'm sure there were years in which his phone would ring and he would wonder if it were *that* call), lawsuits, dealing with Landy, dealing with Murry, dealing with a lot of dry years, having his own personal issues (draft-to-CO, divorce, addictions, whatever else have you), it couldn't have been good for his health.

According to his entry on Wikipedia, he was an ordained minister. Now, THAT I want to know more about.

[Mikie]

Carl continued having his drinks before/after concerts right up until his last concert. Mike Love was very surprised and thought he should have quit as soon as he found out he had cancer.

It reads like you're saying Mike was very surprised he was having drinks.

I think he was. That was my take after reading the interview with Mike not long after Carl's death.

[guitarfool2002]

It was very out of character for him. I may be mistaken, but I don't think there were any other incidents that were ever documented about Carl being inebriated while on stage. While listening to him on stage that day it sounded funny, but I don't think anybody was laughing when he fell down. I think the band understood what happened and forgave him right away. But the Australian press obviously made a big deal about it, and he was still a little high the next day, as can be seen during the press interview. If he'd done it in America, it probably wouldn't have been acknowledged by the press - they were use to seeing singers stoned or drunk on stage all the time. Carl continued having his drinks before/after concerts right up until his last concert. Mike Love was very surprised and thought he should have quit as soon as he found out he had cancer.

You're right about the Australian press Mikie,  They made a huge deal out of it, like they do with everything.  Carl may have embarrassed himself a little on stage but it was truly the Aussie press that came out looking unprofessional, nasty and truly embarrassing.  Pack of rabid dogs.

Buck-and-a-half hookers

Love the Sinatra reference! "The Night We Called It A Day" aka "All The Way" with Dennis Hopper as Frank was just shown on TV last night.