Was Dennis in the Wrong Group?

[retrokid67]

  Was there a specific reason why he wasn't featured on the In Concert Album though?  I think it's a slap in the face to see him being the only BB on the cover but none of his songs were featured.

[runnersdialzero]

Was there a specific reason why he wasn't featured on the In Concert Album though?  I think it's a slap in the face to see him being the only BB on the cover but none of his songs were featured.

You're overthinking everything, I think. I don't think this was deliberate or even an oversight (i.e. someone saying "Denny's songs aren't important enough to consider"), there were probably no meetings between Mike and Bruce where they were snickering "Let's... NOT PUT ANY OF DENNIS' SONGS ON THE ALBUM! AHAHAHAHA!" or anything, it probably just worked out to be that way. I didn't even notice there were no Dennis songs on here until you pointed it out.

Brian has no leads on Carl and the Passions. I don't think it was deliberate, I think it just happened for a number of reasons, none of which had to do with, "f*** Brian, let's intentionally exclude him." I think it's the same on In Concert. Nothing deliberate, nothing in the way of just not thinking to include his songs because they didn't like his songs, it just worked out that way.

There's only one song that was largely Carl's work, zero songs that were largely Al's work, zero songs that were largely Mike's work, only two Ricky/Blondie-written songs, why no complaining about those? I don't mean to sound rude, but you're overanalyzing things and inventing things out of it because you like Dennis a lot.

[retrokid67]

Was there a specific reason why he wasn't featured on the In Concert Album though?  I think it's a slap in the face to see him being the only BB on the cover but none of his songs were featured.

You're overthinking everything, I think. I don't think this was deliberate or even an oversight (i.e. someone saying "Denny's songs aren't important enough to consider"), there were probably no meetings between Mike and Bruce where they were snickering "Let's... NOT PUT ANY OF DENNIS' SONGS ON THE ALBUM! AHAHAHAHA!" or anything, it probably just worked out to be that way. I didn't even notice there were no Dennis songs on here until you pointed it out.

Brian has no leads on Carl and the Passions. I don't think it was deliberate, I think it just happened for a number of reasons, none of which had to do with, "f*** Brian, let's intentionally exclude him." I think it's the same on In Concert. Nothing deliberate, nothing in the way of just not thinking to include his songs because they didn't like his songs, it just worked out that way.

There's only one song that was largely Carl's work, zero songs that were largely Al's work, zero songs that were largely Mike's work, only two Ricky/Blondie-written songs, why no complaining about those? I don't mean to sound rude, but you're overanalyzing things and inventing things out of it because you like Dennis a lot.

No I'm not.  I do like Dennis a lot but I'm not the only one who has brought this particular topic up.  I, like many others, don't see why they couldn't feature a song of his on the live album, especially during that time where he was up front with the rest of the guys. 

[runnersdialzero]

Among other possibilities, have you considered that Dennis may not have wanted any of his songs on it over the songs that were chosen? Maybe he didn't find any of his performances of these songs satisfactory? I'm not saying that's why, but they're possibilities. I don't think any reason has been given for no Dennis songs being on the album. Like I said, it may very well have just happened and worked out that way without any reason and no one was upset about it.

[runnersdialzero]

For the record, a Dennis song would've been a fine addition to the record, to me, and I would've chosen some of his stuff over some of the stuff that did make it. Which of his songs were being played live around that time?

[alf wiedersehen]

Among other possibilities, have you considered that Dennis may not have wanted any of his songs on it over the songs that were chosen? Maybe he didn't find any of his performances of these songs satisfactory? I'm not saying that's why, but they're possibilities. I don't think any reason has been given for no Dennis songs being on the album. Like I said, it may very well have just happened and worked out that way without any reason and no one was upset about it.

I think you're forgetting that when you spell Love backwards, it sorta sounds like EVIL!

[halblaineisgood]

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[halblaineisgood]

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[retrokid67]

Among other possibilities, have you considered that Dennis may not have wanted any of his songs on it over the songs that were chosen? Maybe he didn't find any of his performances of these songs satisfactory? I'm not saying that's why, but they're possibilities. I don't think any reason has been given for no Dennis songs being on the album. Like I said, it may very well have just happened and worked out that way without any reason and no one was upset about it.

Well, to me it's just odd.  I mean you have 3 different recordings of him singing "The Wanderer", you have 2 different recordings of him singing "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away", he sometimes sang "Do You Wanna Dance" (though I've never heard a recording of that) and on MIC we have him singing "Little Bird".  During all of those times, his main role was being behind the drums, so it was pretty rare for him to be up front then I would think. "All I Want to Do" was recorded during those London shows but wasn't released on the Live in London album.  But the In Concert album came out at a time where he had to be up front due to a hand injury (as we all know) and he was at his vocal peak, and from 1972 I've heard 2 different versions of him singing "Help Me Rhonda" plus he sang "Forever" and "Cuddle Up" a lot of times and "I've Got a Friend".  So for me, I don't get why he wouldn't want a song of his on the album, that's all.

There were 4 of his songs on Sunflower.  If there hadn't been a dispute about which song should close Surf's Up, then he wouldn't have felt the need to shelve "WIBNTLA" and "Fourth of July" ( and let's not forget that for the first BB boxset, Carl literally had to fight to get Denny's songs on there, which says something).

[retrokid67]

Ooh, burn

I'm surprised this is the first response you made here

It's all just very silly.
Glad to know you still care about me, though.

I care about everyone 

Even me??

Even though you annoy the heck out of me, halblaineisgood, you can't be too bad.  After all, we both can say that the BB are the main reason we're here right  ?

[halblaineisgood]

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[bluesno1fann]

Ooh, burn

I'm surprised this is the first response you made here

It's all just very silly.
Glad to know you still care about me, though.

I care about everyone 

Even me??

Even though you annoy the heck out of me, halblaineisgood, you can't be too bad.  After all, we both can say that the BB are the main reason we're here right  ?

Perhaps this purrito will change your mind!

Must you go offtopic and derail this thread?

Anyway, it would have been great if a few Dennis songs were added onto In Concert. As much as I like the album, aside from the newer Holland-era material, the majority of the album consists of earlier pre-SMiLE songs. I wouldn't say drop tem entirely, but at the same time focus more on their then-contemporary material, or even more stuff from 20/20-Surf's Up. At least it wasn't exactly old yet in 1973.

[retrokid67]

Ooh, burn

I'm surprised this is the first response you made here

It's all just very silly.
Glad to know you still care about me, though.

I care about everyone 

Even me??

Even though you annoy the heck out of me, halblaineisgood, you can't be too bad.  After all, we both can say that the BB are the main reason we're here right  ?

Perhaps this purrito will change your mind!

Must you go offtopic and derail this thread?

Anyway, it would have been great if a few Dennis songs were added onto In Concert. As much as I like the album, aside from the newer Holland-era material, the majority of the album consists of earlier pre-SMiLE songs. I wouldn't say drop tem entirely, but at the same time focus more on their then-contemporary material, or even more stuff from 20/20-Surf's Up. At least it wasn't exactly old yet in 1973.

Thank you.  It sucks this happens so often.

And yea you would think that they would've at least included "Forever" on there.

[halblaineisgood]

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[halblaineisgood]

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[smilethebeachboysloveyou]

Ooh, burn

I'm surprised this is the first response you made here

It's all just very silly.
Glad to know you still care about me, though.

I care about everyone 

Even me??

Even though you annoy the heck out of me, halblaineisgood, you can't be too bad.  After all, we both can say that the BB are the main reason we're here right  ?

Perhaps this purrito will change your mind!

Must you go offtopic and derail this thread?

Anyway, it would have been great if a few Dennis songs were added onto In Concert. As much as I like the album, aside from the newer Holland-era material, the majority of the album consists of earlier pre-SMiLE songs. I wouldn't say drop tem entirely, but at the same time focus more on their then-contemporary material, or even more stuff from 20/20-Surf's Up. At least it wasn't exactly old yet in 1973.

Thank you.  It sucks this happens so often.

And yea you would think that they would've at least included "Forever" on there.

I don't think it's that surprising of a setlist: it focuses on the songs everyone knows them for and songs from their latest album.  Much as we all like Friends and Sunflower here, I don't think it's too surprising that they didn't include anything from albums that were a few years old and didn't sell very well at their release.  I do agree, though, that which Holland tracks they decided to include on In Concert seems a little odd, and I, for one, prefer "Only With You" to all the songs that they did include except maybe "Sail, On Sailor."

On the other hand, we did get a nice recording of "Only With You" on Made in California last year.  In fact, even if it doesn't speak well to Dennis' recognition in his own time, the fact that four of the fifteen live tracks on the box set were Dennis songs is a pretty good indication of the fact that his music is getting the recognition it deserves from fans (and box set compilers) now.

[bluesno1fann]

Ooh, burn

I'm surprised this is the first response you made here

It's all just very silly.
Glad to know you still care about me, though.

I care about everyone 

Even me??

Even though you annoy the heck out of me, halblaineisgood, you can't be too bad.  After all, we both can say that the BB are the main reason we're here right  ?

Perhaps this purrito will change your mind!

Must you go offtopic and derail this thread?

Anyway, it would have been great if a few Dennis songs were added onto In Concert. As much as I like the album, aside from the newer Holland-era material, the majority of the album consists of earlier pre-SMiLE songs. I wouldn't say drop tem entirely, but at the same time focus more on their then-contemporary material, or even more stuff from 20/20-Surf's Up. At least it wasn't exactly old yet in 1973.

Thank you.  It sucks this happens so often.

And yea you would think that they would've at least included "Forever" on there.

I don't think it's that surprising of a setlist: it focuses on the songs everyone knows them for and songs from their latest album.  Much as we all like Friends and Sunflower here, I don't think it's too surprising that they didn't include anything from albums that were a few years old and didn't sell very well at their release.  I do agree, though, that which Holland tracks they decided to include on In Concert seems a little odd, and I, for one, prefer "Only With You" to all the songs that they did include except maybe "Sail, On Sailor."

On the other hand, we did get a nice recording of "Only With You" on Made in California last year.  In fact, even if it doesn't speak well to Dennis' recognition in his own time, the fact that four of the fifteen live tracks on the box set were Dennis songs is a pretty good indication of the fact that his music is getting the recognition it deserves from fans (and box set compilers) now.

Yeah, it's a big sign of his vindicated status of the last few years, along with the POB/Bambu reissue from a few years back. Been a long time since Carl had to persuade everyone to include Dennis songs for the Good Vibrations box set...

[Andrew G. Doe]

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Your last five posts have consisted solely of this. Do you realise how annoying, and infantile, it is ?

[retrokid67]

Ooh, burn

I'm surprised this is the first response you made here

It's all just very silly.
Glad to know you still care about me, though.

I care about everyone 

Even me??

Even though you annoy the heck out of me, halblaineisgood, you can't be too bad.  After all, we both can say that the BB are the main reason we're here right  ?

Perhaps this purrito will change your mind!

Must you go offtopic and derail this thread?

Anyway, it would have been great if a few Dennis songs were added onto In Concert. As much as I like the album, aside from the newer Holland-era material, the majority of the album consists of earlier pre-SMiLE songs. I wouldn't say drop tem entirely, but at the same time focus more on their then-contemporary material, or even more stuff from 20/20-Surf's Up. At least it wasn't exactly old yet in 1973.

Thank you.  It sucks this happens so often.

And yea you would think that they would've at least included "Forever" on there.

I don't think it's that surprising of a setlist: it focuses on the songs everyone knows them for and songs from their latest album.  Much as we all like Friends and Sunflower here, I don't think it's too surprising that they didn't include anything from albums that were a few years old and didn't sell very well at their release.  I do agree, though, that which Holland tracks they decided to include on In Concert seems a little odd, and I, for one, prefer "Only With You" to all the songs that they did include except maybe "Sail, On Sailor."

On the other hand, we did get a nice recording of "Only With You" on Made in California last year.  In fact, even if it doesn't speak well to Dennis' recognition in his own time, the fact that four of the fifteen live tracks on the box set were Dennis songs is a pretty good indication of the fact that his music is getting the recognition it deserves from fans (and box set compilers) now.

Yeah, it's a big sign of his vindicated status of the last few years, along with the POB/Bambu reissue from a few years back. Been a long time since Carl had to persuade everyone to include Dennis songs for the Good Vibrations box set...

The fact that there was even an issue about this angers me  .  Why wouldn't you want to  include your deceased brother/cousin/bandmate's work on a box set like that?  But also WIBNTLA was supposed to be in a later compilation album and got outvoted until finally the fans started petitioning to get the song on MIC.

[Micha]

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Your last five posts have consisted solely of this. Do you realise how annoying, and infantile, it is ?

I don't think it's infantile, it points (haha! ) to a computer problem which prevents him from doing real posts. I could be wrong, but let's wait and see.

[lee]

For the record, a Dennis song would've been a fine addition to the record, to me, and I would've chosen some of his stuff over some of the stuff that did make it. Which of his songs were being played live around that time?

I THINK the only songs being performed during the time they were recording for "In Concert " that featured a DW lead were I've Got A Friend, Cuddle Up, Forever and the occasional lead on Help Me Rhonda. None of those were show staples so there may have been only one (or maybe two) recordings of those specific songs. If there was a technical glitch with the recording or if someone didn't like their performance, there may have not been a second recording to choose from. So that could be a reason why one of those weren't included on the album.

Recently we did get Help Me Rhonda on the MIC box set.

[drbeachboy]

Also, the two shows that I attended that fit in the timeframe that In Concert was recorded from, I don't remember Dennis singing any leads at those shows. Seems he took a more active part singing leads during the 1969 through early 1972 years.

To the other old timers like me, do you guys remember Dennis singing leads during the In Concert recording timeframe?

[bluesno1fann]

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Your last five posts have consisted solely of this. Do you realise how annoying, and infantile, it is ?

I don't think it's infantile, it points (haha! ) to a computer problem which prevents him from doing real posts. I could be wrong, but let's wait and see.

Doubtful, considering that he's been editing the vast majority of his older posts as well. Knowing him, It wouldn't be a stretch to say it's intentional. There's even a thread dedicated to that:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,19469.0.html

Back on-topic: It would have been nice if they chose to include the MIC version of Help Me Rhonda with lead vocals by Dennis instead of the version with Al. Oh well...

[retrokid67]

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Your last five posts have consisted solely of this. Do you realise how annoying, and infantile, it is ?

I don't think it's infantile, it points (haha! ) to a computer problem which prevents him from doing real posts. I could be wrong, but let's wait and see.

Doubtful, considering that he's been editing the vast majority of his older posts as well. Knowing him, It wouldn't be a stretch to say it's intentional. There's even a thread dedicated to that:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,19469.0.html

Back on-topic: It would have been nice if they chose to include the MIC version of Help Me Rhonda with lead vocals by Dennis instead of the version with Al. Oh well...

I bet there's more in the vaults that we still haven't heard.

[halblaineisgood]

Sorry when I went off topic earlier.

Back on topic....

I can say whatever I want as long as I segue ...
That's pretty neat! 

Back on topic....

Why would a "computer problem" cause all of my posts to turn into a period.   

Back on topic....

They should have included both the Al Version and the Dennis version of Help Me Rhonda on MIC.