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« on: December 18, 2014, 07:47:28 AM »

The 4 singles chosen were Hot Fun, Forever, Summer of Love, and Boardwalk.  They couldn't have done a worse job choosing the singles.  If only the boys/record company had chosen ANY ONE OR TWO of any of the other 8 tracks as singles and promos to radio stations (radio was still huge in '92) the record would have had solid sales and radio airplay (especially the bolded):

"Surfin'"
"Island Fever"
"Still Surfin'"
"Slow Summer Dancin' (One Summer Night)"
"Strange Things Happen"
"Remember (Walking in the Sand)"
"Lahaina Aloha"
"Summer in Paradise"

ESPECIALLY when you consider the general smarm that made up the Billboard Hot 100 for 1992: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1992
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 08:02:09 AM »

The 4 singles chosen were Hot Fun, Forever, Summer of Love, and Boardwalk.  They couldn't have done a worse job choosing the singles.

You have a point there, but "Surfin'" or "Slow Summer Dancin" would have been a worse choice than "Forever". "Forever" is a good song, and it seems Stamos has a big fanbase in the US.

"Lahaina Aloha" would have been a good single and the European version of "Summer In Paradise" (the song) too.

The sequencing is terrible too. It starts with the four worst songs of the album! And some of the worst recordings in the Beach Boys catalog too!
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2014, 08:03:08 AM »

You know how Republicans and Libertarians always go on about the free market finding it's way and blah blah blah letting the market decide, as if it's some sentient force that inherently seeks out products of good value and dismisses shoddy tho well-marketed tripe?

Yeah, that. I'm gonna go full Mitt Romney on this and say all 100 of those singles are better than SIP. The market decided! Lo!

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2014, 08:27:41 AM »

I have to strongly disagree; I was a DJ in Adult Contemporary radio in the summer of 1992.  We gave Hot Fun in the Summertime considerable airplay and it peaked at 17 on the ACR Billboard chart.  It was, by far, the most commercial track on SIP and a damned fine choice as a single.  Island Fever and Lahaina Aloha were great songs, but in the vein of Still Cruisin' also a great track but, sadly, a failure on the charts (peaking at 93 on the Hot 100).  Still Surfin' might have been a hit in 1976.  Slow Summer Dancin' wouldn't have had a chance.  As for Summer in Paradise, good song but they never quite got the arrangement right on that one until the 1993 live version and by then it was too late.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2014, 08:37:24 AM »

The album may not have died a quiet death back in 1992 for all the right reasons, but production-wise/sonically, the album is a trainwreck. The album is so programmed and electronic and sterile-sounding, it makes the 1985 album sound like a warm, fuzzy, analog production by comparison.

The electronic drums are the worst, and everything sounds harsh and shrill. Not sure how much that had to do with recording the album with the early beta version of ProTools and whatnot.

I think 1992 just wasn't a time where the BB's would have had the industry cred and whatnot to pull off a massive hit album. Even if it had been an album full of Brian originals, it probably wouldn't have burned up the charts. The fact that the album had no Brian participation whatsoever and was a pretty weak album overall obviously didn't help either.

There are some good *compositions* and vocal performances on the album, including "Lahaina Aloha" and "Strange Things Happen." But they wouldn't have been hits either had they been pushed.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2014, 09:02:43 AM »

You know how Republicans and Libertarians always go on about the free market finding it's way and blah blah blah letting the market decide, as if it's some sentient force that inherently seeks out products of good value and dismisses shoddy tho well-marketed tripe?

Yeah, that. I'm gonna go full Mitt Romney on this and say all 100 of those singles are better than SIP. The market decided! Lo!

So get out your seats and jump around...
Jump around! Jump around! Jump around!
Jump up, jump up and get down....



do you really not understand that the free market is just people voluntarily doing business (trading) with each other without an agency of force (the state) getting in the way?
Its not a thing in itself, but the combined actions of individuals.
i imagine nearly your entire life is spent in the free market,  unless you ask the state to intervene when deciding what album to purchase or who to date...
maybe i just dont get your hilarious joke?
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2014, 09:14:52 AM »

So I've heard the UK SIP album version of "Summer In Paradise" which is an improvement over that of the US version.  What other changes were made to the UK version of the album and were they positive changes?
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2014, 09:45:02 AM »

I guess Boardwalk would have been a good single. Hot fun was definitely not the right one. I met Mike in 1993 in Germany, Hotel Parkschloesschen, where he was guest (for free), an ayurveda hotel that just had opened (5 stars today !). I ran the German fanclub "California Saga" then. We talked for about 2-3 hours and had lunch there, he, his wife Jackie, a friend of mine and me. He seemed to be not really satisfied with the album and the promotion in Germany was a desaster. On the same evening McCartney was live in "Wetten dass" (a very prominent TV show then), and Mike didn´t know about it at all. He should have been there as well ! Instead of that he was in a 3rd class afternoon show the next day and was only asked about the old days. He struggled to keep the CD once briefly in the camera.

I know only one person who likes the CD.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2014, 10:14:40 AM »

<<I guess Boardwalk would have been a good single.>>
Wasn't it sent out as a single - or a promo?  I know they were pushing it in a German concert (Lorelei) I've got.

<< Hot fun was definitely not the right one. >>

I can't speak for Europe but in the U.S. Hot Fun was a genuine A.C. hit.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2014, 10:35:11 AM »

plop on 3 or 4 Brian Wilson songs (in an alt universe) which 3 or 4 would you have on it? from the early 90's..
1. water builds up (in place of slow summer nights and take it off and put it as a B-side or something)
2. Smart Girls (in place of surfin' and take off Summer of love completely) if they are going to do a rap type song then at least have this since it's at least creative.
3. the spirit of rock n roll (in place of walking in the sand)
4. Do you have any regrets (in place of Still surfin)

take off "under the boardwalk" (make it a B-side to the second single) keep "hot fun in the summertime" but move "Lahaina Aloha" as the opening track..keep "Forever" as the closing track..you'll lose a song making the tracklist one track shorter but who cares..
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2014, 12:07:41 PM »

<< but who cares...>>

Perhaps the most significant post in this thread.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2014, 12:18:13 PM »

SIP is crap, there is no way those songs would have sold well in 1976 or 1992. Its a shell of a BBs album with more of the crass and cynical commercialism of MIU/KTSA.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2014, 01:02:25 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2014, 01:08:42 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2014, 01:40:09 PM »

Out of the entire 1992 Hot 100 schlock-fest, these are the only songs that are better than the 5 best songs on SIP:


6
"Tears in Heaven" Eric Clapton

7
"My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)" En Vogue

14
"Black or White" Michael Jackson

17
"November Rain" Guns N' Roses

18
"Life Is a Highway" Tom Cochrane

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"Remember the Time" Michael Jackson

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"Finally" CeCe Peniston

21
"This Used to Be My Playground" Madonna

24
"Jump Around" House of Pain

25
"Diamonds and Pearls" Prince and The New Power Generation

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"Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me" George Michael and Elton John

27
"Masterpiece" Atlantic Starr

32
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" Nirvana

34
"Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover" Sophie B. Hawkins

39
"Bohemian Rhapsody" Queen

40
"Tennessee" Arrested Development

43
"The One" Elton John

44
"Set Adrift on Memory Bliss" P.M. Dawn

53
"All I Want" Toad the Wet Sprocket

57
"Mysterious Ways" U2

58
"Too Funky" George Michael

59
"How Do You Talk to an Angel" The Heights

60
"One" U2

62
"Hold on My Heart" Genesis

66
"In the Closet" Michael Jackson

67
"People Everyday" Arrested Development

68
"No Son of Mine" Genesis

71
"Friday I'm in Love" The Cure

72
"Everything About You" Ugly Kid Joe

93
"Free Your Mind" En Vogue

98
"Let's Get Rocked" Def Leppard

100
"I Can't Make You Love Me" Bonnie Raitt
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2014, 02:03:43 PM »

Sadly, I don't think anything could have been a mainstream radio hit off of SIP. and this is coming from someone who loves this album. Hot Fun and Under The Boardwalk were moderate hits on the AC chart. I think another one that would have done well on the AC chart, and perhaps mainstream pop, if marketed correctly, was Island Fever. I agree that Summer of Love is probably the worst choice for a single in their entire recording career.
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2014, 02:06:46 PM »

SIP is crap, there is no way those songs would have sold well in 1976 or 1992. Its a shell of a BBs album with more of the crass and cynical commercialism of MIU/KTSA.
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2014, 04:49:26 PM »

As bad as Surfin' is on this album, has anyone else at all heard that they remixed (or were going to remix) Surfin' into "a dance song" in the late 90's/early 00's?  I swear I did not dream this...Mike and Bruce played Reading Municipal Stadium in 2001 I believe and the local radio station, Y-102 (102.5) was promoting the show.  They were playing some Beach Boys songs during the day, including Getcha Back which I hadn't heard on the radio in well over a decade at that point, and the DJ mentioned that they were going to play a "new" Beach Boys' song around 5PM that day and then clarified it and said that it was a dance remix of Surfin'.  My initial reaction was "Please don't" but although I was morbidly curious, I wasn't around a radio around that time and missed it.  I did make it to the show that night though.  Has anyone else heard about this?
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2014, 05:22:54 PM »

Out of the entire 1992 Hot 100 schlock-fest, these are the only songs that are better than the 5 best songs on SIP:


6
"Tears in Heaven" Eric Clapton


That song is worse than Summer In Paradise.


LOL...I didn't mean to leave that one on the list!
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2014, 07:31:02 PM »

Ya...I don't think it would have mattered much what they did with it.  AND I am way more WILLING to enjoy this album than most because usually there'll be something they do in almost EVERY song that makes it work even if only for seconds.  It's still magic to me.

But some TV guy taking a Dennis CLASSIC and harming it is not a good plan.  Trying to make Surfin' work again?   Whoever thought that was a good idea is a Bom Bom Dip Dip Di DIP.  No reordering of single releases was ever going to make this anything other than ... oh how can I best describe this album without being a Dip myself??? ... a very well packaged failure not worthy of a group with such an impressive history, legacy, pedigree and body of work.

I never, EVER wanted to see MY group...the sand-pail sailors...get turned into Sha Na Na.

I still don't.
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2014, 07:41:40 PM »

As bad as Surfin' is on this album, has anyone else at all heard that they remixed (or were going to remix) Surfin' into "a dance song" in the late 90's/early 00's?  I swear I did not dream this...Mike and Bruce played Reading Municipal Stadium in 2001 I believe and the local radio station, Y-102 (102.5) was promoting the show.  They were playing some Beach Boys songs during the day, including Getcha Back which I hadn't heard on the radio in well over a decade at that point, and the DJ mentioned that they were going to play a "new" Beach Boys' song around 5PM that day and then clarified it and said that it was a dance remix of Surfin'.  My initial reaction was "Please don't" but although I was morbidly curious, I wasn't around a radio around that time and missed it.  I did make it to the show that night though.  Has anyone else heard about this?

I recall Bruce mentioning this on the BB Britain Board in the early 00's. He said that it would be in the style of Britney Spears, if I remember correctly.
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2014, 07:47:11 PM »

Trying to make Surfin' work again?   Whoever thought that was a good idea is a Bom Bom Dip Dip Di DIP. 

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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2014, 07:49:00 PM »

As bad as Surfin' is on this album, has anyone else at all heard that they remixed (or were going to remix) Surfin' into "a dance song" in the late 90's/early 00's?  I swear I did not dream this...Mike and Bruce played Reading Municipal Stadium in 2001 I believe and the local radio station, Y-102 (102.5) was promoting the show.  They were playing some Beach Boys songs during the day, including Getcha Back which I hadn't heard on the radio in well over a decade at that point, and the DJ mentioned that they were going to play a "new" Beach Boys' song around 5PM that day and then clarified it and said that it was a dance remix of Surfin'.  My initial reaction was "Please don't" but although I was morbidly curious, I wasn't around a radio around that time and missed it.  I did make it to the show that night though.  Has anyone else heard about this?

I recall Bruce mentioning this on the BB Britain Board in the early 00's. He said that it would be in the style of Britney Spears, if I remember correctly.

You know, the non-release of this sounds like the band's image avoided a bit of nuclear fallout there. My active imagination makes me think it would have made Here Comes the Night 1979 sound like Pet Sounds.
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