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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2014, 10:51:39 AM »

The NASCAR one is on my list!

I think "Sweet Rutle Tracks" is worth counting - one, because it's a full album's worth of material; and two, because I don't think the bootleg of that title is as 'unofficial' as you'd think.  I have a feeling someone involved directly in The Rutles just tossed that one out there.

By that logic, you should put lots of Beach Boys bootlegs on that list too...like LandyLocked.
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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2014, 10:35:53 PM »

I have to say a WHOOOOLE lot of the list makes no sense. For instance, why is Silver Summer in The Beach Boys section? Mike's the only Beach Boy on it. And its a JAN & DEAN album! Well, at least it's title as such, Jan actually ain't on it.

I guess I'll do a few more too. Why Remember the Zoo? It's a hoax, therefore why's it listed? And that early '80s supposed "ecology album" was supposed to be a Love/Jardine thing, not Beach Boys. And especially with a project like that, where material might not have even been written for it, why bother including it?

As was said earlier, the NASCAR album ain't a Beach Boys album. It's an album by "Mike Love, Bruce Johnston & David Marks of the Beach Boys" and therefore shouldn't be in the Beach Boys section.

As far as Brian, there was never a planned "Wilson project" album, nor a Soul Searchin' album. The Wilson/Paley stuff was written for a prospective Beach Boys album.

I will say though, nice attempt! And though I knew about many of Bruce's half-ass money-grab groups like the Vettes and the Kustom Kings and the Hot Doggers (not to mention Bob Sled & the Tobaggans) and whatever else, I must say I never knew of the Catalinas. So thanks for that info.
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2014, 07:39:33 AM »

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Oct 67 - BURNING SOUL!  [first LP with Blondie]
Apr 68 - SOULFIRE!!!
Apr 68 - SOUL MEETING!!  [with Una Valli and The Peanut Butter Conspiracy]

correction: Soul Meeting is not a Flames album but a Una Valli album (and a good one btw), backed up (50-50%) by The Flames and The Peanut Butter Conspiracy

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2014, 09:55:10 AM »

See, that's the problem - a lot of the issues people are pointing out are explained (in detail) in the discography.... this is just a list of what I cover to make sure I have everything I need. :-P
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2014, 11:17:15 AM »

See, that's the problem - a lot of the issues people are pointing out are explained (in detail) in the discography.... this is just a list of what I cover to make sure I have everything I need. :-P

but but....   if you KNEW some entries were wrong, why would you list them here and ask for help? 
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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2014, 12:31:16 PM »

I didn't.  I asked if anything was missing. Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2014, 12:33:24 PM »

I didn't.  I asked if anything was missing. Smiley

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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2014, 06:56:40 PM »

And for the picky.... "Silver Summer" features Mike, plus Beach Boys touring band members John Cowsill, Mike Kowalski, Chris Farmer, Eddie Carter and John Stamos.  (The reissue, "Golden Summer Days", adds 'Vega-Tables' featuring Brian, as well.)
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2014, 01:32:05 AM »

Hello, Mr. Picky here.  Grin

On my BB site, I have a section for the BB discogs of both the UK & US. They feature the 1961-2014 releases of the prime members, band and solo. I also have a section for songs on which said members (minus Bruce) guest on other artist's releases. They're not in the main discog because neither the name of the band nor the individual appear on the label. Example:

"Good Vibrations" by The Beach Boys - main discog...

"Almost Summer" by Celebration featuring Mike Love - main discog...

No Pier Pressure by Brian Wilson - main discog...

"Wishing You Were Here" by Chicago - guesting discog...

Remember The Zoo - unreleased albums but stated to be a hoax.
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2014, 02:30:18 AM »

See, that's the problem - a lot of the issues people are pointing out are explained (in detail) in the discography.... this is just a list of what I cover to make sure I have everything I need. :-P

Well, all I wanted to do is getting the facts straight, not making a problem of it. Soul Meeting is a great album to have, and fits nicely in the Flames catalogue, but it's not a Flames album, which the explanation does suggest. After all, "Chicago VII" (under 'Beach Boys', featuring Chicago) and "Caribou" (under 'Carl Wilson and Bruce Johnston' - featuring Elton Jonh) aren't mentioned either.  Grin  But all is good.  Smiley

Anyway. I understand what you goal is with this list. In that case you can add the album "Picaresque" by Ray Ohara, under ' Blondie Chaplin'. All lead vocals are by Blondie. And "Here Comes The Night" by David Johansen. Blondie (co)wrote most of the tracks, and plays guitar and sings backgroundvocals on the album. Both albums aren't highly regarded, but if you want to get your list as complete as possible...

And there's a compilation album of David Marks and the Marksmen as well ("Ultimate Collector’s Edition 1963–1965").
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2014, 03:10:07 AM »

And for the picky.... "Silver Summer" features Mike, plus Beach Boys touring band members John Cowsill, Mike Kowalski, Chris Farmer, Eddie Carter and John Stamos.  (The reissue, "Golden Summer Days", adds 'Vega-Tables' featuring Brian, as well.)

For the even pickier, when Silver Summer was released in 1985, neither Cowsill nor Farmer were touring with the band. By your reasoning, you should include every Cowsills album because, over 35 years later, John was a regular touring Beach Boy. Are you going to include every single Glen Campbell album because he toured with the band for a few months  1964-6 ?

There's completeism and COMPLETEISM, and then there's OCD like this.  Grin

I didn't.  I asked if anything was missing. Smiley

A more pertinent question would be, is there too much included, to which the answer has to be "most certainly":

THE BEACH BOYS AS A GROUP

Oct 62 - SURFIN' SAFARI
Mar 63 - SURFIN' USA
Jun 63 - SHUT DOWN  [minor Beach Boys involvement]
Sep 63 - SURFER GIRL
Oct 63 - LITTLE DEUCE COUPE
Mar 64 - SHUT DOWN, VOL. 2
Jul 64 - ALL SUMMER LONG
Oct 64 - BEACH BOYS CONCERT
Dec 64 - CHRISTMAS ALBUM
Mar 65 - THE BEACH BOYS TODAY!
Jun 65 - SUMMER DAYS (AND SUMMER NIGHTS!!)
Nov 65 - BEACH BOYS PARTY!
early 66? - REMEMBER THE ZOO?  [nonexistent / hoax]
May 66 - PET SOUNDS
Nov 66? - 'LIVE IN MICHIGAN'  [unreleased]
Jan 67 - SMILE  [unreleased until Nov 2011]
Sep 67 - SMILEY SMILE
Fall 67? - LEI'D IN HAWAII  [unreleased]
Dec 67 - WILD HONEY
Jul 68 - FRIENDS
Aug 68 - STACK-O-TRACKS
Mar 69 - 20/20
Summer 70? - REVERBERATION (THE FADING ROCK GROUP REVIVAL)  [unreleased]
Early 70? - SUN FLOWER  [unreleased]
May 70 - LIVE IN LONDON (BEACH BOYS '69)
May 70? - ADD SOME MUSIC  [unreleased]
Aug 70 - SUNFLOWER
2nd half 70? - 'LANDLOCKED'  [unreleased]
Aug 71 - SURF'S UP
May 72 - CARL AND THE PASSIONS: SO TOUGH
Jan 73 - HOLLAND
Nov 73 - THE BEACH BOYS IN CONCERT
Jan 75? - CARIBOU ALBUM  [unreleased]
Fall 75? - (BEACHAGO LIVE ALBUM)  [unreleased]
Jul 76 - 15 BIG ONES
Fall 76? - NEW ALBUM  [unreleased]
Mar 77 - THE BEACH BOYS LOVE YOU
Fall 77 - ADULT/CHILD  [unreleased]
Nov/Dec 78 - MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM THE BEACH BOYS  [unreleased]
Spring 78 - CALIFORNIA FEELING  [unreleased]
Summer 78 - WINDS OF CHANGE  ['unreleased' - slightly reconfigured]
Sep 78 - M.I.U. ALBUM
Mar 79 - L.A. (LIGHT ALBUM)
Mar 80 - KEEPIN' THE SUMMER ALIVE
late 80? - (ECOLOGICAL CONCEPT ALBUM)  [unrecorded]
late 82? - (CLEVELAND LIVE ALBUM)  [unreleased]
late 82? - COUSINS, FRIENDS AND BROTHERS  [unreleased]
May 85 - THE BEACH BOYS
1985 - SILVER SUMMER  [with Dean Torrence]
Aug 89 - STILL CRUISIN'
Aug 92/Jun 93 - SUMMER IN PARADISE
1993? - MASTERPIECE  [unrecorded]
1993? - UNPLUGGED IN PARADISE  [unrecorded]
Aug 96 - STARS AND STRIPES VOL. 1
late 1990's? - STARS AND STRIPES VOL. 2  [unreleased]
Feb 98 - THE BEACH BOYS SALUTE NASCAR
Mar 03 - GOOD TIMIN': LIVE AT KNEBWORTH 1980
May 06 - SONGS FROM HERE AND BACK
Jun 12 - THAT'S WHY GOD MADE THE RADIO
May 13 - LIVE: THE 50th ANNIVERSARY TOUR

BRIAN WILSON

late 69? - A WORLD OF PEACE MUST COME  [with Stephen Kalinich, delayed until Sep 08]
1987? - THE WILSON PROJECT  [with Gary Usher, unreleased]
Jul 88 - BRIAN WILSON
1990? - BRIAN  [unreleased]
1991 - SWEET INSANITY  [unreleased]
Aug 95 - I JUST WASN'T MADE FOR THESE TIMES
Nov 95 - ORANGE CRATE ART  [with Van Dyke Parks]
late 96? - SOUL SEARCHIN'  [with Andy Paley, unreleased]
Jun 98 - IMAGINATION
Jul 00 - LIVE AT THE ROXY THEATRE
Jun 02 - BRIAN WILSON PRESENTS 'PET SOUNDS' LIVE
Jun 04 - GETTIN' IN OVER MY HEAD
Sep 04 - BRIAN WILSON PRESENTS 'SMILE'
Oct 05 - WHAT I REALLY WANT FOR CHRISTMAS
Sep 08 - THAT LUCKY OLD SUN
Aug 10 - BRIAN WILSON REIMAGINES GERSHWIN
Oct 11 - IN THE KEY OF DISNEY
Dec 14  - NO PIER PRESSURE

DENNIS WILSON

Fall 72? - HUBBA HUBBA (POOPS)  [unreleased]
Sep 77 - PACIFIC OCEAN BLUE
Fall 78 - BAMBU  [delayed until Jun 08]
n/a - TORNADO  [unreleased, very little info available]

CARL WILSON

Mar 81 - CARL WILSON
Feb 83 - YOUNGBLOOD
Jun 00 - LIKE A BROTHER  [with Beckley and Lamm]

MIKE LOVE

May 78 - ALMOST SUMMER  [Celebration]
late 78? - DEADMAN'S CURVE  [with Jan and Dean, unreleased]
Feb 79 - CELEBRATION  [Celebration]
1979 - DISCO CELEBRATION  [Celebration]
1979? - FIRST LOVE  [unreleased]
1979? - COUNTRY LOVE  [unreleased]
Mar 81 - LOOKING BACK WITH LOVE
1982 - A BAKER'S DOZEN  [with Adrian Baker, unreleased]
Mar 83 - ROCK 'N' ROLL CITY  [with Dean Torrence]
Sep 83 - CHRISTMAS PARTY  [with Dean Torrence]
1996 - CATCH A WAVE
2005 - MIKE LOVE, NOT WAR (UNLEASH THE LOVE)  [unreleased]

BRUCE JOHNSTON

Jun 63 - SURFER'S PAJAMA PARTY  [Bruce Johnston Surfing Band]
Jul 63 - SURFIN' USA  [Hot Doggers]
Aug 63 - SURFIN' ROUND THE WORLD
Jan 64 - REV-UP  [The Vettes]
Feb 64 - HEY LITTLE COBRA AND OTHER HOT ROD HITS  [Rip Chords]
Apr 64 - KUSTOM CITY USA  [Kustom Kings]
Jul 64 - THREE WINDOW COUPE  [Rip Chords]
Sep 64 - FUN  [The Catalinas]
May 77 - GOING PUBLIC

MIKE LOVE AND BRUCE JOHNSTON

1998 - SYMPHONIC SOUNDS: MUSIC OF THE BEACH BOYS  [with the Royal Philharmonic]
2001 - SUMMERTIME CRUISIN'

AL JARDINE

Spring 99 - (NO TITLE KNOWN)  [unreleased]
2001? - BIG SOUTH  [unreleased]
Sep 01 - LIVE IN LAS VEGAS
Jun 10/Apr 12 - A POSTCARD FROM CALIFORNIA

DAVID MARKS

1968 - WITHOUT EARTH  [The Moon]
1969 - THE MOON  [The Moon]
2000 - WORK TAPES
Dec 03 - SOMETHING FUNNY GOIN' ON
2004? - LOW KEY INTENSITY  [unreleased]
Dec 06 - I THINK ABOUT YOU OFTEN
2006 - LIVE @ BLUE DOLPHIN  [The Marks-Clifford Band]
Dec 12 - THE CIRCLE CONTINUES
2013? - MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME  [unreleased]

THE SURF CITY ALL-STAR BAND

Aug 05 - SCRAPBOOK  [with Mike Love]
Nov 06 - LIVE IN CONCERT  [with Al Jardine and David Marks]
Oct 09 - ACOUSTIC VIBRATIONS  [with Al Jardine and David Marks]

BLONDIE CHAPLIN

1977 - BLONDIE CHAPLIN
1992 - OSTRICH MAN  [Skollie]
1999 - FRAGILE THREAD  [unreleased]
2006 - BETWEEN US

THE FLAMES - Ricky Fataar and Blondie Chaplin

1965 - UMMM! UMMM! OH YEAH!!!
Apr 67 - THAT'S ENOUGH
Oct 67 - BURNING SOUL!  [first LP with Blondie]
Apr 68 - SOULFIRE!!!
Apr 68 - SOUL MEETING!!  [with Una Valli and The Peanut Butter Conspiracy]

Mar 70 - THE FLAME
late 71? - (NO KNOWN TITLE)  [unreleased]

THE RUTLES - Ricky Fataar

1977 - 'SWEET RUTLE TRACKS'  [unreleased]
Feb 78 - THE RUTLES
Oct 96 - ARCHAEOLOGY
Jun 10 - LUNCH  [web stream only, physical CD unreleased]


There y'go, FTFY.  Grin
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2014, 02:02:47 PM »

Andrew, I must ask as far as Bruce goes, why you wouldn't count The Vettes or The Catalinas albums for his total, but you do count The Hot Doggers and The Rip Chords, especially since Bruce and Terry weren't officially *in* The Rip Chords. Or were they? I suppose you'd know better than I. Anyways, weren't The Hot Doggers, The Vettes, The Catalinas and The Kustom Kings all Bruce's own "bands"? Or am I misunderstanding?
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2014, 02:42:25 PM »

After the first two/three singles, Bruce & Terry essentially were The Rip Chords. As for The Hot Doggers... you may well have a point. Like the others you name, Bruce was essentially a session dude on them.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2014, 04:21:48 PM »

Hello, Mr. Picky here.  Grin

On my BB site, I have a section for the BB discogs of both the UK & US. They feature the 1961-2014 releases of the prime members, band and solo. I also have a section for songs on which said members (minus Bruce) guest on other artist's releases. They're not in the main discog because neither the name of the band nor the individual appear on the label. Example:

"Good Vibrations" by The Beach Boys - main discog...

"Almost Summer" by Celebration featuring Mike Love - main discog...

No Pier Pressure by Brian Wilson - main discog...

"Wishing You Were Here" by Chicago - guesting discog...

Remember The Zoo - unreleased albums but stated to be a hoax.

Why is TWGMTR not listed in your albums section?
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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2014, 11:14:05 PM »

Hello, Mr. Picky here.  Grin

On my BB site, I have a section for the BB discogs of both the UK & US. They feature the 1961-2014 releases of the prime members, band and solo. I also have a section for songs on which said members (minus Bruce) guest on other artist's releases. They're not in the main discog because neither the name of the band nor the individual appear on the label. Example:

"Good Vibrations" by The Beach Boys - main discog...

"Almost Summer" by Celebration featuring Mike Love - main discog...

No Pier Pressure by Brian Wilson - main discog...

"Wishing You Were Here" by Chicago - guesting discog...

Remember The Zoo - unreleased albums but stated to be a hoax.

Why is TWGMTR not listed in your albums section?

Would be if someone would answer my PMs and emails...
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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2014, 08:50:14 PM »

Why'd you cross out the "Deadman's Curve" soundtrack?
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2014, 10:15:22 PM »

Why'd you cross out the "Deadman's Curve" soundtrack?

Because it's not a Mike Love album: he's guesting on several tracks. That's all.
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« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2014, 06:05:32 AM »

Why'd you cross out the "Deadman's Curve" soundtrack?

Because it's not a Mike Love album: he's guesting on several tracks. That's all.

Well, it seems as valid as the Radio Shack stuff - Mike wasn't on every track there.  What about "A Baker's Dozen"?  I mean, was that meant to be a credited collaboration album?
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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2014, 06:16:51 AM »

Well, y'know, "Deadman's Curve" cannot be a ML album by definition as it's named after a Jan & Dean song.
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« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2014, 08:32:48 AM »

Why'd you cross out the "Deadman's Curve" soundtrack?

Because it's not a Mike Love album: he's guesting on several tracks. That's all.

Well, it seems as valid as the Radio Shack stuff - Mike wasn't on every track there.  What about "A Baker's Dozen"?  I mean, was that meant to be a credited collaboration album?

Good point, nice that you're the one to bring it up! 
You should probably remove Christmas Party from the list as Mike is on less than half the tracks  ( 5 of 12) ;
Then maybe add Scrooge's Rock 'n' Roll Christmas (1983) as Mike is on half the tracks, if you count him as part of "The Ensemble", only 3 if you don't ( 5 of 10);
He's on more than half the tracks on  Mike and Dean  Rock 'n' Roll again( 1983 ) ( 6 of 11);
For Rock 'N' roll City he's on more than half, so keep it  ( 7 of 12); 
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2014, 12:05:57 PM »

Eh, I'm not that picky, honestly.  That's why "Shut Down, Vol. 1" was included - it was so closely related it merited inclusion (and in my discography I explain why I included it).

I had no idea "Scrooge's Rock & Roll Christmas" was an album though?  I thought it was only a movie....
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« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2014, 12:34:42 PM »

Hitbound 1003, released 9/83.
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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2014, 01:50:58 PM »

Why'd you cross out the "Deadman's Curve" soundtrack?

Because it's not a Mike Love album: he's guesting on several tracks. That's all.

Well, it seems as valid as the Radio Shack stuff - Mike wasn't on every track there.  What about "A Baker's Dozen"?  I mean, was that meant to be a credited collaboration album?

The Radio Shack album was credited as "Mike Love / Dean Torrence" so even though there were other artists, I suppose that counts as Mike's album.

Well, y'know, "Deadman's Curve" cannot be a ML album by definition as it's named after a Jan & Dean song.

There have been quite a few albums named after other artists songs. So I don't get the point.
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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2014, 02:36:29 PM »

Why'd you cross out the "Deadman's Curve" soundtrack?

Because it's not a Mike Love album: he's guesting on several tracks. That's all.

Well, it seems as valid as the Radio Shack stuff - Mike wasn't on every track there.  What about "A Baker's Dozen"?  I mean, was that meant to be a credited collaboration album?

The Radio Shack album was credited as "Mike Love / Dean Torrence" so even though there were other artists, I suppose that counts as Mike's album.

Well, y'know, "Deadman's Curve" cannot be a ML album by definition as it's named after a Jan & Dean song.

There have been quite a few albums named after other artists songs. So I don't get the point.

She's just being anal again
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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2014, 07:10:30 PM »

I see it like their primary albums is: surfin safari,surfin usa,surfer girl,lil deuce coupe,shut down vol2,all summer long,today,summer days,pet sounds,smileysmile,wild honey,friends,sunflower,surfs up,holland....then twgmtr.....secondary: xmas album, 20/20 cuz it was more of a comp than proper album, so tough was like an alter ego being under carl/passions, 15 big ones was part new and part tribute, love you _brians solo album w the BB name, and everything til the 85 album were pieced together albums from sessions of different yrs, then the 85 album, summer in paradise was mike love & terry melcher w the BB name.........thoughts?
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