Charles Lloyd - Waves

[Smilin Ed H]

For those who haven't got the tracks the BB are on, the whole album is on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRL4z6ADQQ

[William Bowe]

For me, this is a real find - or at least, the song TM is. It's a really great to have some lovely BB vocals on a fresh new song that I can't get out of my head. The only thing I thought I knew about Charles Lloyd previously was that he was "Mike Love's flute player", which is not a promising CV entry. It's only just now that I've become alert to the fact that it's him on Feel Flows - for me the association was with Celebration and the MIU Album.

[The Shift]

TM is gorgeous, and to my ears drenched in a Beach Boys style of the kind I'd love to have heard more of.

I know there were other collaborations with ChRles Lloyd that, not having made it to CD, are currently lost in time. Anyone know whether they were of the same standard as TM*?





* TM is also one of the very very few songs that is unlikely to ever be abbreviated for the sale of speedy typing. Just thought I'd say…

[William Bowe]

TM is gorgeous, and to my ears drenched in a Beach Boys style of the kind I'd love to have heard more of.

Yes, very much. One of the things that really strikes me on listening to it is that the BBs were selling them short in trying to go for a grittier sound on Carl & The Passions especially, when TM at least points to a style they could have pursued which had contemporary relevance, while making something of what remained their strongest selling point, namely their vocal harmonies. It would seem though that having Chaplin and Fataar on board inspired them to take a different approach which didn't entirely work, commercially or artistically.

[William Bowe]

TM is also one of the very very few songs that is unlikely to ever be abbreviated for the sale of speedy typing. Just thought I'd say…

I'm from Australia, where we take abbreviation very seriously. Our most famous sports venue is called the Melbourne Cricket Ground, which is formally abbreviated to "the MCG". However, this isn't enough for Australians, who have come to refer to it simply as "the G". From now on, I'm going to refer to this song as "T".

[The Shift]

TM is also one of the very very few songs that is unlikely to ever be abbreviated for the sale of speedy typing. Just thought I'd say…

I'm from Australia, where we take abbreviation very seriously. Our most famous sports venue is called the Melbourne Cricket Ground, which is formally abbreviated to "the MCG". However, this isn't enough for Australians, who have come to refer to it simply as "the G". From now on, I'm going to refer to this song as "T".

And henceforth you shall be known as "The B"!

[Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll]

not the best song IMO but always nice to hear the boys on something new (at least for me)

[The Shift]

TM is gorgeous, and to my ears drenched in a Beach Boys style of the kind I'd love to have heard more of.

Yes, very much. One of the things that really strikes me on listening to it is that the BBs were selling them short in trying to go for a grittier sound on Carl & The Passions especially, when TM at least points to a style they could have pursued which had contemporary relevance, while making something of what remained their strongest selling point, namely their vocal harmonies. It would seem though that having Chaplin and Fataar on board inspired them to take a different approach which didn't entirely work, commercially or artistically.

Yet I and many others loved the grittiness of CATP and think that was a missed opportunity too, in that it wasn't taken further.

With a band with a varied output, I think there has always been capacity for multiple styles at any one time, each balancing the other.

[Smilin Ed H]

Don't forget Mike on Rishikesh.

And on Warm Waters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0HBok8LMKI

And How Sweet, which isn't on YouTube. Yet.

[Micha]

TM is also one of the very very few songs that is unlikely to ever be abbreviated for the sale of speedy typing. Just thought I'd say…

I'm from Australia, where we take abbreviation very seriously. Our most famous sports venue is called the Melbourne Cricket Ground, which is formally abbreviated to "the MCG". However, this isn't enough for Australians, who have come to refer to it simply as "the G". From now on, I'm going to refer to this song as "T".

That didn't strike me as obvious when I was in A recently. Or should I say O?

[wantsomecorn]

TM is gorgeous, and to my ears drenched in a Beach Boys style of the kind I'd love to have heard more of.

Yes, very much. One of the things that really strikes me on listening to it is that the BBs were selling them short in trying to go for a grittier sound on Carl & The Passions especially, when TM at least points to a style they could have pursued which had contemporary relevance, while making something of what remained their strongest selling point, namely their vocal harmonies. It would seem though that having Chaplin and Fataar on board inspired them to take a different approach which didn't entirely work, commercially or artistically.

Yet I and many others loved the grittiness of CATP and think that was a missed opportunity too, in that it wasn't taken further.

With a band with a varied output, I think there has always been capacity for multiple styles at any one time, each balancing the other.

I think CATP is a pretty balanced album. There's the hard rocking songs by Brian (which is a pretty unusual thing to say in context of the group), Ricky and Blondie's two bluesier, soulful songs, Dennis' piano and string-centered ballads, a song that wouldn't sound out of place in a Southern Methodist church, and "All This Is That", which is one of the calmest, most mellow tracks they've ever recorded.

Although I think that even the lighter songs sound gritty - Dennis' vocals for instance are very raw.

Either way, great material.