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« on: August 25, 2014, 04:52:57 PM »

here's a quick little exercise, take each of the ten past and present official members of The Beach Boys, and rank them in order of preference and contributions to the band. no.1 should be straight forward, but then it get's difficult. you are free to add reasons for your choices, if you like.

1. brian (main songwriter, best falsetto once)
2. mike (hardest working bb, main lead vocals, chief lyricist, wrote The California Myth)
3. carl (the voice of an angel, the bridge between band factions)
4. dennis (the second best songwriter, vital drummer, the soul of The Beach Boys)
5. al (solid rhythm guitarist who surprised with some good originals and choice covers)
6. david (the best guitarist in the band)
7. bruce (should have written more songs for a man who wrote "I Write the Songs", a grammy winner)
8. blondie (sail on sailor)
9. ricky (preferable to john stamos!)

10. glen campbell (important pinch hitter until bruce came along, but bruce was a good choice, coming out of surf rock)
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 06:06:40 PM »

Just to be factual, Glen Campbell was never an official member of the Beach Boys, he was asked but declined. Yes he toured and recorded with the group, and posed for photos etc... But was never one of the official Beach Boys. The same criteria would hold true for Billy Hinsche and Daryl Dragon who were each also asked to become official Beach Boys but also declined,. My point is they are as much 10th BB's as Glen. There are really only 9 official Beach Boys. If I were to add a 10th it would definitely be Billy H.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 06:32:20 PM »

Just to be factual, Glen Campbell was never an official member of the Beach Boys, he was asked but declined. Yes he toured and recorded with the group, and posed for photos etc... But was never one of the official Beach Boys. The same criteria would hold true for Billy Hinsche and Daryl Dragon who were each also asked to become official Beach Boys but also declined,. My point is they are as much 10th BB's as Glen. There are really only 9 official Beach Boys. If I were to add a 10th it would definitely be Billy H.
Yes, Billy or Matt Jardine. Matt actually appeared on Home Improvement and David Letterman (singing the Top 10) as one of the Boys.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 06:33:25 PM »

This is completely personally speaking.

Brian - obviously.  No Brian, no Beach Boys.

Murry - love him or hate him, he was vital to their early success and climb.  
May as well include Audrey (Audree?  Audry?) as without both Murry and she
there certainly would not be a Beach Boys.

Dennis - He is the Beach Boy.   He was Brian's closest sibling.  Whether they were close as children or not,
he undoubtedly had a great effect on who Brian was and became and the music he created.

Carl - same goes for Carl as Dennis, just perhaps in different ways.   A big part of what makes the Beach Boys the Beach Boys is the family aspect - it's their strength, their weakness, their beauty and their insanity.   It's the family thing that has always been a big fascination for me, and I'll warrant I'm not alone in that.  

Al - yes, Al.  I like Al.  He's the only one of the original members who I have never really got pissed off at.    
I like Al's voice and the fact that he can sound so much like Brian is cool.   He's got the best voice nowadays out of all of them.  I vote for Al!

Mike - okay, so here's the Lovester.    He obviously is key on a level akin to Dennis and Carl.  he sang with Brian as kids, he is blood relation and he wrote some very good lyrics.   He provided that signature nasal tone to their sound as well as a sensuous and meditative bass vocal.    And of course we all know that the Beatles wrote All You Need Is Love about him  Roll Eyes Cheesy   He has some cool hats.    He promotes TM, which these days especially can't be such a bad idea.  I like Love, he's just a butthead sometimes.   Aren't we all though?  ..........really?

David - though just a kid at the time, he had some real talent, as he went on to show, it would have been interesting to see how his presence would have effected things.   I'm glad he finally saw some due.  

Bruce - for a fill in guy, he turned out pretty alright I'd guess.    I don't really know what to say about Bruce, he'd just Bruce.  Tongue

and that's where my list stops - no offense to any other members, but for me personally, the only vital people are those above (with maybe the addition of Britz).
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 07:09:02 PM »

Why did billy and daryl decline?
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 07:21:30 PM »

1, Stamos- yes if it wasn't for him they would have lost their popularity back in the 90's
2. Murry- if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have been discovered
3. Reggie Dunbar- if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have had the hit song "Break away"
4. Jan Berry- if it wasn't for him Brian wouldn't have had his first #1
5.Manson- if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have recorded "Never learn not to Love"
6. Terry Melcher- if it wasn't for him Manson wouldn't have been introduced to the BB's hence no "Never learn not to Love"
7. Brian Wilson- if it wasn't for him there would be no beach boys, ok there would be but they would be some other people, maybe from france or brazil singing songs about walking on the beach and they would be 12 year old boys and not men..
8. Mike Love- if it wasn't for him there would be no Courtney Love, who is his secret love child..
9. Zeppo- if it wasn't for him the incident with the song "Forever" a couple years ago would have never happened hence the beach boys losing their popularity, again, like in the 90's because of Stamos..
10. Van Dyke Parks- if it wasn't for him we would have something else released instead of Smile back in 67..
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 07:34:34 PM »

1. Brian.

2. Carl and Dennis. I rank them together because at the core of the Beach Boys is the Wilson brothers singing harmony in their room. As band members, I think their contributions are fairly equal. Carl's guitar and Dennis' drums were at the center of that garage band sound. Dennis was the "dreamboat" in a geeky sort of group and it was basically his lifestyle they were singing about. Carl developed into a wonderful singer, took on a lot of responsibility and was the glue that held the band together in later years.

3. Al. While Al's creative contributions might not have been that frequent, he was willing to do whatever the music called for. He should have been given more leads.

4. Mike. It's hard for me to know how to rank Mike. He should be at number 3, given his family connection and lyric work.  Unfortunately, even though he's made huge contributions to the group, he's also probably the member who has the worst public goodwill and seems to be at the center of many of the group's controversies.  Years from now, I think his vocal work, early lyrics and determination to keep the band's name out there will ultimately outweigh his lack of self awareness and public finesse. I think. I hope. But, for now, his propensity for lawsuits and the never ending Wilson drug mantra keep him at number 4.

5. Dave. I like Dave. Dave is cool. And his guitar work in the very earliest days of the band can't be beat. But, looking at the longer picture, a whole lot was done without him. Shame, really.

6. Bruce.  He did a pretty good job of filling in that Brian shaped hole in the touring band.  And, let's face it. No one wears shorts or adjusts a mic like Bruce.

My list stops here. Even though Ricky and Blondie were "official" members, they never really gelled with me. Their time with the band seemed to be indicative of the Beach Boys trying to be something they weren't. Sail On Sailor is good, though.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 07:36:56 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 07:39:23 PM »

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I, I love the colorful clothes she wears, and she's already working on my brain. I only looked in her eyes, but I picked up something I just can't explain. I, I bet I know what she’s like, and I can feel how right she’d be for me. It’s weird how she comes in so strong, and I wonder what she’s picking up from me. I hope it’s good, good, good, good vibrations, yeah!!
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 07:41:13 PM »

Why did billy and daryl decline?

Billy was offered to be in the band as early as 1969. He was going to school in Los Angeles and thought he'd finish getting his degree. Not sure if he ever finished or why he didn't join afterwards in the 70's, but he's been in and out of Beach Boys land ever since.

Daryl got real tired of the heavy alcohol consumption by his music collaborator at the time. He also had a girlfriend named Toni, whom he played on stage with in The Beach Boys. Around the Fall of 1973, the two of them decided to work on their own career together so he quit the band.
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I, I love the colorful clothes she wears, and she's already working on my brain. I only looked in her eyes, but I picked up something I just can't explain. I, I bet I know what she’s like, and I can feel how right she’d be for me. It’s weird how she comes in so strong, and I wonder what she’s picking up from me. I hope it’s good, good, good, good vibrations, yeah!!
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 07:57:00 PM »

Was Ed Carter asked to be a beach boy?
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 07:57:10 PM »

In terms of importance...

1, Brian by a long way due to the the writing, production, arranging etc.

2, Mike due to being the frontman and most frequent lead singer as well sometime lyricist.
3, Carl due to taking over production duties and his role in the live band.

Equal 4, Dennis as he came up with the surfing idea and was an important sex symbol in the early days. Then he obviously wrote some fine songs even if they didn`t always necessarily boost the group`s popularity.
Equal 4, Al as his voice became important in the live shows and the songs that he contributed were more successful/led to more hits than Dennis`s.

6, Bruce as he has been with the group for so many years and was the sober and sane member that they needed.

7, David for appearing on the early albums and the C50 tour but his lack of songwriting and singing means he doesn`t rank higher imo.

Equal 8, Blondie and Ricky for improving the live shows and writing a few songs.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2014, 08:32:34 PM »

Was Ed Carter asked to be a beach boy?

Ed "Steady Eddie" Carter was recruited into the Beach Boys by Bruce Johnston in 1968. He became a full-fledged member in 1975 and left the band in 1995.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2014, 11:00:59 PM »

1, Stamos- yes if it wasn't for him they would have lost their popularity back in the 90's
2. Murry- if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have been discovered
3. Reggie Dunbar- if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have had the hit song "Break away"
4. Jan Berry- if it wasn't for him Brian wouldn't have had his first #1
5.Manson- if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have recorded "Never learn not to Love"
6. Terry Melcher- if it wasn't for him Manson wouldn't have been introduced to the BB's hence no "Never learn not to Love"
7. Brian Wilson- if it wasn't for him there would be no beach boys, ok there would be but they would be some other people, maybe from france or brazil singing songs about walking on the beach and they would be 12 year old boys and not men..
8. Mike Love- if it wasn't for him there would be no Courtney Love, who is his secret love child..
9. Zeppo- if it wasn't for him the incident with the song "Forever" a couple years ago would have never happened hence the beach boys losing their popularity, again, like in the 90's because of Stamos..
10. Van Dyke Parks- if it wasn't for him we would have something else released instead of Smile back in 67..
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2014, 11:03:24 PM »

Was Ed Carter asked to be a beach boy?

Ed "Steady Eddie" Carter was recruited into the Beach Boys by Bruce Johnston in 1968. He became a full-fledged member in 1975 and left the band in 1995.

Huh This is the first I've heard of this.
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 11:18:06 PM »

I actually asked Bruce the question years ago on the brit site. He often mentions 'he called around trying to find a replacement for Brian, couldn't find anyone, so nominated himself'. I asked who would turn down one of the best gigs in the business and he said Ed Carter. I made it very clear I was referring to 1965.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2014, 11:18:20 PM »

Dennis (The Real Beach Boy, the soul of the band, and the most talented in the 70's)
Carl (The heart of the band, was easily the best singer)
Brian (The genius of the band, and the most talented in the 60's)
Al (Has a likeable personality along with Carl, plus his voice has held up the best)
Blondie (Was part of the band during their live peak, plus... Sail On Sailor)
Bruce (Most underappreciated Beach Boy, and a decent songwriter)
David (Seems like a cool guy, and the best guitarist the Beach Boys ever had)
Ricky (Stig)
Mike (At least he's the most consistent member, and I have grown to appreciate him. But he has such a dislikeable personality, plus he sold out big time)
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2014, 07:05:40 AM »

Was Ed Carter asked to be a beach boy?

Ed "Steady Eddie" Carter was recruited into the Beach Boys by Bruce Johnston in 1968. He became a full-fledged member in 1975 and left the band in 1995.

Huh This is the first I've heard of this.

I assume this would refer to his being a full fledged member of the stage band, not actually a "member" of "the Beach Boys"?
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2014, 07:10:28 AM »

Why did billy and daryl decline?

Billy was offered to be in the band as early as 1969. He was going to school in Los Angeles and thought he'd finish getting his degree. Not sure if he ever finished or why he didn't join afterwards in the 70's, but he's been in and out of Beach Boys land ever since.


One of the books talks about how Billy was excited about becoming an official member but his dad said "nope, you will finish your degree first", which he did at UCLA's film school. I'm not sure either why he didn't officially join the band after that, since he was certainly not excluded from the stage band.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 07:18:55 AM »

Maybe the offer wasn't indefinitely extended. We all know how many changes the group went through in all aspects. The offer might have made sense to the guys at one point but have been rethought by the time Billy was out of school.

Total guess.
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 07:37:28 AM »

Why did billy and daryl decline?

Billy was offered to be in the band as early as 1969. He was going to school in Los Angeles and thought he'd finish getting his degree. Not sure if he ever finished or why he didn't join afterwards in the 70's, but he's been in and out of Beach Boys land ever since.


One of the books talks about how Billy was excited about becoming an official member but his dad said "nope, you will finish your degree first", which he did at UCLA's film school. I'm not sure either why he didn't officially join the band after that, since he was certainly not excluded from the stage band.

Yeah, he had plenty of time to formally join the band after that. Even after Blondie and Ricky left. He played keys AND guitar AND sang vocals so he was versatile. In an interview, he said he joined the band in 1974, but it's obvious he was a member of the band before that. Maybe he was happy just to be a backup musician on stage and play on some of the tracks in the studio.
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I, I love the colorful clothes she wears, and she's already working on my brain. I only looked in her eyes, but I picked up something I just can't explain. I, I bet I know what she’s like, and I can feel how right she’d be for me. It’s weird how she comes in so strong, and I wonder what she’s picking up from me. I hope it’s good, good, good, good vibrations, yeah!!
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 07:38:36 AM »

Brian

Carl and Dennis (the Heart & Soul of the Beach Boys)

Mike Love & Al (Mr. Frontman himself and the awesome voice of the group)

Blondie & Ricky (are equally important as they kinda came and went at the same time and added the much needed cool factor to the group)

David Marks (long outside the band but coming back to the fold fully in recent years, illustrious school boy talent when the group first got started and booted rather unfairly by Murry)

Bruce Almighty (a bit of a dork imo and hardly my fave songwriter, was mostly present in the dorky 80's period, but love his vocals contributions to classics in the 1965-1971 period. I felt his production wrecked what could've been a stronger LA album.)
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 08:30:17 AM »

Was Ed Carter asked to be a beach boy?

Ed "Steady Eddie" Carter was recruited into the Beach Boys by Bruce Johnston in 1968. He became a full-fledged member in 1975 and left the band in 1995.

Huh This is the first I've heard of this.

I assume this would refer to his being a full fledged member of the stage band, not actually a "member" of "the Beach Boys"?

I took this information directly from an interview conducted with Ed in 1997 by a local newspaper in his hometown in Arizona. The term full-fledged to me means "full status" and "completely established". The interview makes it look like he became a full member in 1975, but pretty sure Ed remained a back-up musician with the band until he left in 1995. Don't think I'm wrong on that.
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I, I love the colorful clothes she wears, and she's already working on my brain. I only looked in her eyes, but I picked up something I just can't explain. I, I bet I know what she’s like, and I can feel how right she’d be for me. It’s weird how she comes in so strong, and I wonder what she’s picking up from me. I hope it’s good, good, good, good vibrations, yeah!!
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 03:20:17 PM »

Was Ed Carter asked to be a beach boy?

Ed "Steady Eddie" Carter was recruited into the Beach Boys by Bruce Johnston in 1968. He became a full-fledged member in 1975 and left the band in 1995.

Huh This is the first I've heard of this.

I assume this would refer to his being a full fledged member of the stage band, not actually a "member" of "the Beach Boys"?

I took this information directly from an interview conducted with Ed in 1997 by a local newspaper in his hometown in Arizona. The term full-fledged to me means "full status" and "completely established". The interview makes it look like he became a full member in 1975, but pretty sure Ed remained a back-up musician with the band until he left in 1995. Don't think I'm wrong on that.

Interesting.  I think I saw that interview some time ago. I was just thinking along the lines of "stage/studio musician" member.
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 04:21:01 PM »

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=894&dat=19970820&id=z7oKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gU0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6477,2965721

Wording in the story is '...full time member of the band in 1975.'


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