Stamos accused…

[Lowbacca]

[Jon Stebbins]

Mikie:  I feel so discredited  (post #3)

But nonetheless, a constructive post with good observations. Kinda supports my initial thoughts about Stamos, and after 8 pages of reading posts that started to sway me in the other direction and give him the benefit of the doubt, after reading your post I'm now back to square one with it. He is a hamburger (and hot dog) on stage. But seriously, I really don't think he did anything wrong here as Nelson Bragg suggests. I might go to the Mike & Bruce show at the Saratoga Winery concert in a few days just to see what Stamos does (if he shows up). I'm gonna find Jude in the crowd and compare notes with him.

Hey if you go to Saratoga wear a gold sparkled skull cap like Mike did in '75 so I can pick you out of the crowd. I'm gonna be there.

[Mikie]

Call me a socio.. I mean.. socialist, but I think 'newbies' with less than 10 posts should deserve the same respect for that they have got to say as the old dogs.

Hey, gee, thanks for the advice there, Lowbarker. But if you would have noticed, I came back right after with a respectful post directed at him. It's always good to know who's in your conversation, ya know? I always appreciate those who introduce themselves to the board before jumping in. It's just me.

[Lowbacca]

Call me a socio.. I mean.. socialist, but I think 'newbies' with less than 10 posts should deserve the same respect for that they have got to say as the old dogs.

Hey, gee, thanks for the advice there, Lowbarker. But if you would have noticed, I came back right after with a respectful post directed at him. It's always good to know who's in your conversation, ya know? I always appreciate those who introduce themselves to the board before jumping in. It's just me.

I missed that. I'm sorry.

[CarlTheVoice]

To me this 'argument' is just extremely petty, quite childish and quite embarrassing. The heads of these two bands are in their 70s and in all honesty probably hate this kind of thing being 1. made public and 2. another stress in their camp. The two bands, whether they hate each other or not, should just get on with what they are best at - playing Beach Boys music and as fans we should stop trying to create competition between them. They are what they are and I don't see them changing because of some negative comments on here or other boards. They probably laugh it off.

That being said, Nelson posted on social media where plenty of lifelong BB fans 'follow' him so he can hardly be surprised if one of them picks up on it and creates a debate on here. He is almost certainly aware of the divide between fans so of course this was going to turn a few heads.

As a relatively young BB fan I hate to see the in-fighting between BB members, band members and fans. I know it's been going on for decades but it ruins their legacy as one of the best bands ever. As I have said before I am just grateful that I get to see them in ANY form, as I missed out on their peak and know I won't see them playing live for much longer.

As for Stamos, I don't know him personally and have never seem him play live so I cant pass judgement on him. He probably brings more fans to gigs and I don't see that being a bad thing.  

[Justin]

As for Neil Young, he’s a professional singer, songwriter, musician, etc. If he had been there guesting and then took the lead when the recording malfunctioned, there wouldn’t have been any egotistical motive for him to do it.

But when it's Stamos it's automaticallyl egotistical?  What would have been egostistical is if Stamos shoved someone else out of the way just so he could sing the song.  Fact is, no one on stage grabbed the mic to save the moment.  Considering Stamos' ties with the song, it was not so far-fetched for him to take the lead on this one--especially when most of the band was NOT prepared to take on a new lead vocal, that last minute.  Had Stamos just sat back and watched the guys sing to no lead vocal I would guess the conversation would have come up later in the show from either mike or Bruce..."Hey why didn't you step in?  You know the song!"  Stamos saw an opportunity to help the band when there was a glitch.  Wow, what an ego maniac!

He hasn’t been trying to be the “new Dennis” of the group for 25 years. He hasn’t co-opted the song “Forever.”

This logic is what separates us even further.  I don't see Stamos trying to be the next anybody.  I see a superfan who loves playing with his favorite band.  Is he a ham?  Definitely.  But as for being the new Dennis...sorry but gimme a break.  Nothing that Stamos does even comes close to remotely remind me of Dennis in any way.  I highly doubt any one in the audience is thinking "hey, who is that cool guy up there?  He's way cooler than Dennis ever was!"  Just because his favorite song happens to be a song originally sung by Dennis doesn't prove anything.  Truth is, Stamos has resurrected the song "Forever" out of general obscurity and even though he had nothing to do with writing it, he had everything to do with reminding both general audiences and the BB's own casual fanbase that the song was in fact a Beach Boys song they had either never known before or just generally forgot about.  His ultra- light "ownership" of the song is justified.  And when the video went out at the Beacon, it made complete sense for him to go out there and sing the tune.

[Justin]

If John Stamos has “no business” singing “God Only Knows” when Brian is on stage, then he has no business singing “Forever” when Brian is on stage. 

Once again:  Brian did not leap into to sing the song once the video failed.  Stamos gave the entire band (including Brian) ample opportunity to save the song themselves.  The reason Stamos waited as long as he did was because he knew that there were other members on stage who should have first dibs.  When it was clear that no one wanted to grab it--he did.  Had "God Only Knows" also glitched, Stamos would have known that there were at least 3 people on stage who could jump on the lead with no problem.  GOK is a classic song that the band has played at nearly every gig--regardless of band configuration.  "Forever" is not.  Why let the guys flounder during a song they generally don't know when you're waiting in the wings and you know the song like the back of your hand?   That wouldn't make any sense.  At that moment, Stamos was thinking of the band's performance not about the flack he'd get. 

[retrokid67]

ok I was completely distracted when I saw Chris from the Partridge Family 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Guys...I'm sorry Jason posted what he did. That certainly did not represent my own views or Smile Holland's as well. Jason has officially resigned as of today.

[pixletwin]

Guys...I'm sorry Jason posted what he did. That certainly did not represent my own views or Smile Holland's as well. Jason has officially resigned as of today.

Wow. Color me shocked. 

[Mikie]

Mikie:  I feel so discredited  (post #3)

But nonetheless, a constructive post with good observations. Kinda supports my initial thoughts about Stamos, and after 8 pages of reading posts that started to sway me in the other direction and give him the benefit of the doubt, after reading your post I'm now back to square one with it. He is a hamburger (and hot dog) on stage. But seriously, I really don't think he did anything wrong here as Nelson Bragg suggests. I might go to the Mike & Bruce show at the Saratoga Winery concert in a few days just to see what Stamos does (if he shows up). I'm gonna find Jude in the crowd and compare notes with him.

Hey if you go to Saratoga wear a gold sparkled skull cap like Mike did in '75 so I can pick you out of the crowd. I'm gonna be there.

Jon, I don't have a gold skull cap, nor do I have a turban. But I still have my blue Beach Boys baseball cap from the game/concert at Candlestick in 1983. And in case it's colder than a witch's punany out there, I might wear my vintage 1962 Beach Boys Pendleton. I dunno - I see the VIP tickets are going for 208 smackers. I gotta save for McCartney in a couple of weeks.....no tickets yet!

[SMiLE Brian]

Guys...I'm sorry Jason posted what he did. That certainly did not represent my own views or Smile Holland's as well. Jason has officially resigned as of today.

Wow. Color me shocked. 

same here, is Jonas coming back?

[HeyJude]

If John Stamos has “no business” singing “God Only Knows” when Brian is on stage, then he has no business singing “Forever” when Brian is on stage. 

Once again:  Brian did not leap into to sing the song once the video failed.  Stamos gave the entire band (including Brian) ample opportunity to save the song themselves.  The reason Stamos waited as long as he did was because he knew that there were other members on stage who should have first dibs.  When it was clear that no one wanted to grab it--he did.  Had "God Only Knows" also glitched, Stamos would have known that there were at least 3 people on stage who could jump on the lead with no problem.  GOK is a classic song that the band has played at nearly every gig--regardless of band configuration.  "Forever" is not.  Why let the guys flounder during a song they generally don't know when you're waiting in the wings and you know the song like the back of your hand?   That wouldn't make any sense.  At that moment, Stamos was thinking of the band's performance not about the flack he'd get. 

I disagree with the premise that anything was up for “dibs”, or the premise that anyone *had* to step in, certainly if we’re talking about someone not in the band. I also disagree with the premise that anybody on the stage was particularly unfamiliar with the song. Brian (and most of his band) had performed the song in the past. Mike and his guys had performed the song in the past. Everybody in the band had been rehearsing and performing the song prior to this performance. I see zero difference between “God Only Knows” or “Forever” in terms of who should have or could have jumped in in the event of a glitch.

I’m also not inclined to buy that Stamos was thinking only of the band’s performance. I think he was seeing an opportunity to sing a song he has an affinity for, and to appear to “save the day.” As I’ve mentioned, it was already a flawed, malfunctioning performance. Paraphrasing what Howie Edelson mentioned, they should have let the song limp to its conclusion rather than back over it with a car by having Stamos “finish” the song.

As an aside, I would say that out of respect for Dennis and the audience, regardless of whether Stamos had finished the song or not, they should have performed it again with the glitch fixed.

[startBBtoday]

I feel like folks are still acting like John Stamos just happened to be backstage. He was already going to be a part of the show. He had been invited to sing and play, and he knew a song that no one was signing.

[drbeachboy]

What a place! It's a wonder that any of the Mods stay on here. What a bunch of hypocrites. I've read some really nasty sh*t that goes down in here and on a more personal level than what Jason said here today. We all need to take a look in the mirror. If we all behaved better in here, Mods or anybody else for that matter, wouldn't go off when this place degenerates in topics like this one. Done ranting, for now.

[HeyJude]

I feel like folks are still acting like John Stamos just happened to be backstage. He was already going to be a part of the show. He had been invited to sing and play, and he knew a song that no one was signing.

No, I think everybody is aware he was a part of the show. The reports of some band members and some audience members finding his stage presence and participation distracting does not help his case in any way. It does perhaps help speak to *why* he jumped in on that vocal.

Even the New York Times review seems to not care particularly that the video malfunctioned. They make brief mention of it, but don’t make it a big deal. This would be even more of a non-event if Stamos had simply stayed off the stage for that one span of a couple minutes.

[drbeachboy]

I doubt anyone on earth speaks of it except for here.

[leggo of my ego]

This has been a problem with The Real Beach Boy for years. He believes his fandom is more legitimate and enlightened than the rest of ours is. He's a moderator for a board populated by those for whom he has nothing but contempt. Interesting position to be in.

Kind of a "Will the Real Beach Boy Please Step down" eh?

[CarlTheVoice]

Well said drbeachboy! Let's get real here, is this actually an issue worth getting upset about?! I'm sure we all have far more pressing/interesting etc things to be getting on with in our lives. Nelson was wrong to go public with a silly rant. Stamos isn't the most liked person amongst BB fans. That's basically what this boils down to so let's all agree to disagree!

And the above is right. NO ONE cares about Stamos doing the lead other than a few posters on here.

[leggo of my ego]

Guys...I'm sorry Jason posted what he did. That certainly did not represent my own views or Smile Holland's as well. Jason has officially resigned as of today.

Wow. Color me shocked. 

same here, is Jonas coming back?

Im waiting for you to say bring back OSD to take his place. 

[SMiLE Brian]

OSD- emergency moderator!

[rab2591]

OSD- emergency moderator!

[drbeachboy]

Seriously, anyone who called for Jason's resignation should all consider taking the job. I always loved that saying by Jesus, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[Lowbacca]

Seriously, anyone who called for Jason's resignation should all consider taking the job. I always loved that saying by Jesus, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Wow..

[MarcellaHasDirtyFeet]

C'mon guys. Starscream has informed us of a serious and rather sad turn of events for this online community. No need to make light of or take obvious delight in what is clearly an unpleasant situation for all involved, especially the other mods. They undoubtedly had some difficult conversations today.