Stamos accused…

[startBBtoday]

Here's the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUkxNVV-QJI

Who starts to sing the lead before the chorus comes in? All they get out is "fill your heart with joy I'd sing forever."

[18thofMay]

He just made an apology!

[pixletwin]

He just made an apology!

Who?

Stamos?
Bragg?

[18thofMay]

Nelson

[Nicko1234]

Not the best apology ever written.

At least maybe he learned the valuable lesson to not drink and post on Facebook again though...

[Shady]

Haha he called it "frat boy BS", somebody in this thread called it that.

[Mike's Beard]

I'm no fan of John but Bragg came off looking a total tit from all of this.

[Mayoman]

It's interesting to read the viewer comments on the actual video of the performance from YouTube, right after it was posted it seems some were skeptical...two years before this thread.

Just consider how many musicians and techs not named Wilson, Love, Jardine, Marks, or Stamos were involved that night. Due to professional reasons I'm sure not one wants to touch this with a ten foot pole.  

The band or at least the drum section would most likely have been playing to a click track, having to sync up with the video for the parts where Dennis is "singing", right? They'd have the click and at least Dennis' vocal and perhaps some additional tracks playing in their ear so the video stayed as close as possible with the live band and live vocals being performed.

I'm just wondering how and why it worked out so the video feed crapped out, which would mean whatever was syncing with the audio tracks containing Denny's voice must have gone down too for this to happen...if it were just the video feed going down, you'd  still have the click track and the audio feed going unless it was all on one source, like pressing play on a DVD and that's it. If the video feed crapped out, you'd still have the audio and Denny's voice going to the house and the musicians' monitors. The musicians would have noticed right away if they lost their audio feeds right? It would have had to be a total tech failure which brought the entire thing down at once, video/audio/sync...the whole shebang. Does it look like that's what happened?

Just trying to figure out what the hell actually happened. I had never actually seen that video until tonight.

It is interesting that you mention the failure of video feed.  I was at a show with the Touring Band last fall, where the only video feed that failed was Carl from Knebworth for God Only Knows.  The audience was prepped that it was a tape of Carl.  And it is the only time I've seen this happen.  Sabotage ? No. It just happened.  The music was enough for the outdoor audience.  The only light had been coming from the outdoor video screens.  Darkness and GOK.  Tribute footage that failed. It wasn't C50.  And Stamos wasn't there.

What you describe is almost exactly my question. Less technically, when you witnessed the video feed fail, was Carl's voice still heard singing the lead vocal as the band "backed" him live?

If so, that's the scenario I'm curious about - It would suggest Denny's vocal track would have still been audible on Forever, as the audio feed ostensibly would have kept playing both in house and in the band monitors no matter what happened to the video being projected.

Was Carl's voice still audible on GOK?

Yes, moving, magnificent and all in the darkness.  When a glitch becomes a blessing.

Was that The Big E? It was kind of magical with Carl's voice kind of floating through the darkness.

[Andrew G. Doe]

It's two years ago and my short-term memory took one helluva kicking back in the 70s... so please correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Stamos vanish from the C50 tour very shortly after this incident ?

[The Shift]

I'm no fan of John but Bragg came off looking a total tit from all of this.

Aye, and his apology doesn't include Stamos, just "anyone who was offended…".

Infact he almost goes so far as to say the accusation stands based on his suspicions, and he regrets only the terms used and any offence caused.

And he still can't spell "you're".

Suspect he needs to steer clear of beers of the world and other Brian Wilson album threads.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Surely I can't be the only one around here who's posted regrettable things on a public forum when drinking and can therefore relate ......

Nelson and Stamos both get passes ........ Let's all siit back and let the train wreck continue. 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Stamos fired a single shot from the sixth floor of the beacon setlist depository into the channel strip containing the vocal tracks to forever . Case closed.

Is Stamos a Socialist? .... if so, Bruce might have set him up!

[Doo Dah]

I don't know. Just going on body language, it seems like an organic technical glich and John's over exuberance got the best of him. Don't really feel some Warren Commission subterfuge going on. Since I've never been a fan of the Velveeta actor, I do admit to smiling when I read Nelson's post. Still, he could've skewered John without resorting to a 'frat-boy' level of insult.

I'm just wondering, why is this coming out now? It sure does pull back the curtain on the two camps, and echoing Hey Jude's comment some pages ago, Stamos really does prove a litmus test into what 'kind of fan' you are. And Cowsill's ranting feeds into it - recall how strident he became on Facebook when Mike received the Ella nomination? He basically said 'screw all the haters'. Why your particular hate John? Is it because you feel defensive towards Mike and your own personal crew? (understandable...but still)

He could have simply wished Mike well and left it like that, but no - he had to say 'screw the haters'. Where there's smoke there's fire. It's no wonder that Mike finally said 'enough of this - I want my band (er, brand) back.'

[Nicko1234]

I don't know. Just going on body language, it seems like an organic technical glich and John's over exuberance got the best of him. Don't really feel some Warren Commission subterfuge going on. Since I've never been a fan of the Velveeta actor, I do admit to smiling when I read Nelson's post. Still, he could've skewered John without resorting to a 'frat-boy' level of insult.

I'm just wondering, why is this coming out now? It sure does pull back the curtain on the two camps, and echoing Hey Jude's comment some pages ago, Stamos really does prove a litmus test into what 'kind of fan' you are. And Cowsill's ranting feeds into it - recall how strident he became on Facebook when Mike received the Ella nomination? He basically said 'screw all the haters'. Why your particular hate John? Is it because you feel defensive towards Mike and your own personal crew? (understandable...but still)

He could have simply wished Mike well and left it like that, but no - he had to say 'screw the haters'. Where there's smoke there's fire. It's no wonder that Mike finally said 'enough of this - I want my band (er, brand) back.'

So Nelson`s hate makes you smile but Cowsill`s is unacceptable?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Cowsill said "screw the haters" because there are legions of Mike haters out there! Therefore, he had every reason and right to say it!

Just look at any mile and a half long trail of viewer comments on youtube under ANY Beach Boys related clip, or ANY posting on Brian's Facebook ........ The Mike hate is irradiant! .... If we don't want the slightest bit of blowback ever, and can't handle even the tiniest bit of it, then let's ease up on the hatred a tad ......

[Andrew G. Doe]

Been pondering this for a while and discovered that the basic premise of my personal dislike for Stamos - I don't actually hate anyone except that sanctimonious twat Morrissey and a couple of former friends who richly deserve every last molecule of misfortune that may come their way - is hard to pin down. In fact I can't really quantify it much more than I feel he shouldn't be there, and I wish he'd not try so hard to be Dennis. Others have noted that when he's with the band the musical level drops, but I've not seen him live with the BB so it would be unfair to take that into account.

My 2¢ and undoubtedly worth exactly that.  

[Doo Dah]

I'm biased. I admit it. I got a kick out of Nelson's rant. But both guys could've worded their position more diplomatically. Still...you gotta love the golf comment!



Unfortunately, when you're a public DUDE you can't just wing-it on social media. It's a whole lot easier under pseudonyms (witness the comment section on youtube).  

[Mike's Beard]

Poor John, can't help but agree that if it had been anyone else other than him they would have been praised for their quick thinking.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Anyone else bar one, I'm thinking. 

[Nicko1234]

I think it`s mildly amusing that so many posters on Facebook immediately congratulate Nelson on the post. Their hatred of Stamos seems to know no bounds and extends to people who have presumably never seen him in concert with the group. Odd.

[Cabinessenceking]

Here's the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUkxNVV-QJI

can't see what the big fuss is. It seems there was an error and Stamos stepped in to help. He did a decent performance too.

[Ang Jones]

As for the timing, sometimes things that have happened ages ago rankle and people decide to express their feelings somewhat belatedly. Nelson has apologised for his rant - an apology I don't believe was necessary. If this was an attention grabbing thing by Stamos he deserves the criticism.

[Nicko1234]

There`s no physical way Stamos could have planned and done that on his own...

IF it was planned in advance then members of The Beach Boys must have been aware of it as otherwise how could Stamos possibly have known that none of David, Brian, Jeff etc. would step in to sing?

Nelson should have made a better job of apologizing and it`s not really much of his concern anyway. He is only a back-up musician (albeit an obviously talented one) and it is outside his jurisdiction for want of a better phrase.

[Ang Jones]

'Not really his concern'? It's more his concern than most of those who have posted here about it, isn't it?

I wasn't there and didn't see what happened but Stamos has always given me the impression of being a wannabe Dennis Wilson. Well, he can want as much as he likes. He isn't.

[Nicko1234]

'Not really his concern'? It's more his concern than most of those who have posted here about it, isn't it?

I wasn't there and didn't see what happened but Stamos has always given me the impression of being a wannabe Dennis Wilson. Well, he can want as much as he likes. He isn't.

Sure. This is a message board.