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« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2014, 10:50:45 AM »

So getting back to your original post: are you suggesting everyone should trawl through every single previous thread from the last three years before starting up a new thread just to make sure the topic hasn't been discussed previously?

Aren't you the guy who wanted to "stick to discussing the song in question"?

I like the song, as I do with most of Dennis' songs from this period.
The production is nice, although the intro is sort of unnecessary.
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« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2014, 10:55:21 AM »

I listen to it when I listen to 20/20. Not really any other time.
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« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2014, 10:56:28 AM »

So getting back to your original post: are you suggesting everyone should trawl through every single previous thread from the last three years before starting up a new thread just to make sure the topic hasn't been discussed previously?

Aren't you the guy who wanted to "stick to discussing the song in question"?

I like the song, as I do with most of Dennis' songs from this period.
The production is nice, although the intro is sort of unnecessary.

True - I should have put it in a private message.

The intro is one of the best bits!! It's Dennis and the band being original and inventive and trying things out. Strange, however, just how ominous and creepy that intro sounds considering the subsequent revelations re the song's origins...
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« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2014, 11:32:53 AM »

The intro is one of the best bits!! It's Dennis and the band being original and inventive and trying things out. Strange, however, just how ominous and creepy that intro sounds considering the subsequent revelations re the song's origins...

No, I agree that it's an interesting idea from the band, but after so many listens, I just wanna get to the song.
I've also thought about how the intro is sort of dark and how well it ties in with the song's origins.
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« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2014, 12:07:59 PM »

The single edit omits the cymbal intro.
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« Reply #80 on: July 07, 2014, 12:31:20 PM »

Yeah I agree, this is a great song.
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« Reply #81 on: July 07, 2014, 12:55:03 PM »

The single edit omits the cymbal intro.

I love love love that intro, but it makes sense for the single version to omit it, if the intention was radio airplay.

The one area the single version has the album version beat (IMO) is the outro. There's just a touch more trippy delay/reverb audible to my ears on the wordless outro fade on the single version, and that makes all the difference to me.

Somebody should make a mix that combines the best of both versions.
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« Reply #82 on: July 07, 2014, 01:18:43 PM »

I can make it. Where can I find the single version?
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« Reply #83 on: July 07, 2014, 01:23:14 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwI-6_WMX8Q

The mono mix seems to have a clearer lead vocal.
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« Reply #84 on: July 07, 2014, 01:30:36 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwI-6_WMX8Q

The mono mix seems to have a clearer lead vocal.


I prefer this version tbh!
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« Reply #85 on: July 07, 2014, 01:49:32 PM »

Ta-da!

http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/91636919/file.html
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« Reply #86 on: July 07, 2014, 04:34:28 PM »

Excellent job, Mr. Babes.

Although, I do much prefer the album version. I think that lead vocal buried in the middle of all those dreamlike harmonies is the best thing about it! It's a good song (unfortunately) and probably would have been better if they'd went all the way and added more overdubs.
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« Reply #87 on: July 08, 2014, 11:29:53 AM »


Nice job, Babes! What a freakin' tune!!
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« Reply #91 on: July 08, 2014, 01:23:17 PM »

Never Learn Not to Love is a fantastic song. I think Manson was/ and is a great songwriter. He could've killed and raped one billion children and it wouldn't take away that fact. Plus Dennis' vocals are amazing in that song.
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« Reply #92 on: July 09, 2014, 06:47:45 AM »

If a person commits a crime, the fault is with the person, not whatever they have created. It's not the only song on 20/20 written by someone charged with murder. Cottonfields by Huddie Ledbetter and I Can Hear Music by Phil Spector are the other two.
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« Reply #93 on: July 09, 2014, 09:25:19 AM »

If a person commits a crime, the fault is with the person, not whatever they have created. It's not the only song on 20/20 written by someone charged with murder. Cottonfields by Huddie Ledbetter and I Can Hear Music by Phil Spector are the other two.

I hope Jim Gordon didn't play drums on "Cabinessence"... Shocked
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« Reply #94 on: July 09, 2014, 10:41:53 AM »

He did.
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« Reply #95 on: July 09, 2014, 10:42:55 AM »

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« Reply #96 on: July 09, 2014, 11:29:05 AM »

So three songwriters on 20/20 and one drummer who are criminals. I think they jinxed 20/20 when they put a black border on the album cover.
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« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2014, 03:32:22 PM »

If a person commits a crime, the fault is with the person, not whatever they have created. It's not the only song on 20/20 written by someone charged with murder. Cottonfields by Huddie Ledbetter and I Can Hear Music by Phil Spector are the other two.

Brilliant post- and very true indeed! You can't have it both ways, folks. You either disapprove of people who unarguably committed murder (Spector) and/or people who allegedly committed murder (Manson) or you don't. There's no middle ground. Self-righteousness please take note!
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« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2014, 06:35:36 PM »

If a person commits a crime, the fault is with the person, not whatever they have created. It's not the only song on 20/20 written by someone charged with murder. Cottonfields by Huddie Ledbetter and I Can Hear Music by Phil Spector are the other two.

Brilliant post- and very true indeed! You can't have it both ways, folks. You either disapprove of people who unarguably committed murder (Spector) and/or people who allegedly committed murder (Manson) or you don't. There's no middle ground. Self-righteousness please take note!

Of course I take the side of putting the fault on the person and not whatever art they created; and it doesn't affect me to their art at all whatsoever.  Grin
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