Never Learn Not To Love is criminally under-appreciated

[bluesno1fann]

I have little to add, so I'll make it quick.

That argument I just read was absolutely ridiculous and I totally agree with Disney Boy.

Whoever wrote it, or whatever the guy did in his personal life is irrelevant to the music or art or film or whatever. I don't give a f***. Separate the art from the crimes, I say.

So I still enjoy Polanski's films (The guy's an excellent filmmaker, regardless of what he did to the 13 year old), and I'm perfectly fine to listen to Spector's masterpieces. And I've enjoyed what I've heard from Manson so far.

Bottom line, I find it to be unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical to want to completely ignore or avoid a person's art - regardless of quality - because of what the person may have done outside his work. It shouldn't be overshadowed at all, it should be remembered equally at least. Simple.

[RioGrande]

Actually it was more than likely Manson took a stab at Shorty Shea so yes he did physically murder someone. Still, it has zero bearing on me enjoying his music. I wonder if Aldof wrote any good tunes?

The Internet is always surprising. I googled your spelling and got 61,100 results, first of them a Youtube video titled "Aldof Hitler".

I googled your username and all I got was sad jackass who seems to spend all his time on a board he can't stand with people he doesn't like.

I'll not take this further, due to respect for the 95% of good guys here, whom I like. You have already said more about yourself than I ever could, anyway.

[Mike's Beard]

P.S. you made a spelling mistake on one of the other threads.

[RioGrande]

I have little to add, so I'll make it quick.

That argument I just read was absolutely ridiculous and I totally agree with Disney Boy.

Whoever wrote it, or whatever the guy did in his personal life is irrelevant to the music or art or film or whatever. I don't give a f***. Separate the art from the crimes, I say.

So I still enjoy Polanski's films (The guy's an excellent filmmaker, regardless of what he did to the 13 year old), and I'm perfectly fine to listen to Spector's masterpieces. And I've enjoyed what I've heard from Manson so far.

Bottom line, I find it to be unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical to want to completely ignore or avoid a person's art - regardless of quality - because of what the person may have done outside his work. It shouldn't be overshadowed at all, it should be remembered equally at least. Simple.

"Ridiculous, unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical"? Wow, LSM, way to respect other people's opinions.

[RioGrande]

P.S. you made a spelling mistake on one of the other threads.

Thanks. Glad to have made your day.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

I have little to add, so I'll make it quick.

That argument I just read was absolutely ridiculous and I totally agree with Disney Boy.

Whoever wrote it, or whatever the guy did in his personal life is irrelevant to the music or art or film or whatever. I don't give a f***. Separate the art from the crimes, I say.

So I still enjoy Polanski's films (The guy's an excellent filmmaker, regardless of what he did to the 13 year old), and I'm perfectly fine to listen to Spector's masterpieces. And I've enjoyed what I've heard from Manson so far.

Bottom line, I find it to be unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical to want to completely ignore or avoid a person's art - regardless of quality - because of what the person may have done outside his work. It shouldn't be overshadowed at all, it should be remembered equally at least. Simple.

"Ridiculous, unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical"? Wow, LSM, way to respect other people's opinions.

Well hey maybe that's just LSM's opinion - in which case shouldn't you, you know, respect it?

[Mike's Beard]

P.S. you made a spelling mistake on one of the other threads.

Thanks. Glad to have made your day.

Quick I hear someone is "bashing" Al Jardine in another thread. Go RioGrande, UP UP AND AWAY!

[RioGrande]

I have little to add, so I'll make it quick.

That argument I just read was absolutely ridiculous and I totally agree with Disney Boy.

Whoever wrote it, or whatever the guy did in his personal life is irrelevant to the music or art or film or whatever. I don't give a f***. Separate the art from the crimes, I say.

So I still enjoy Polanski's films (The guy's an excellent filmmaker, regardless of what he did to the 13 year old), and I'm perfectly fine to listen to Spector's masterpieces. And I've enjoyed what I've heard from Manson so far.

Bottom line, I find it to be unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical to want to completely ignore or avoid a person's art - regardless of quality - because of what the person may have done outside his work. It shouldn't be overshadowed at all, it should be remembered equally at least. Simple.

"Ridiculous, unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical"? Wow, LSM, way to respect other people's opinions.

Well hey maybe that's just LSM's opinion - in which case shouldn't you, you know, respect it?

I draw a line here, too, between opinions and derogatory terms.

[bluesno1fann]

I have little to add, so I'll make it quick.

That argument I just read was absolutely ridiculous and I totally agree with Disney Boy.

Whoever wrote it, or whatever the guy did in his personal life is irrelevant to the music or art or film or whatever. I don't give a f***. Separate the art from the crimes, I say.

So I still enjoy Polanski's films (The guy's an excellent filmmaker, regardless of what he did to the 13 year old), and I'm perfectly fine to listen to Spector's masterpieces. And I've enjoyed what I've heard from Manson so far.

Bottom line, I find it to be unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical to want to completely ignore or avoid a person's art - regardless of quality - because of what the person may have done outside his work. It shouldn't be overshadowed at all, it should be remembered equally at least. Simple.

"Ridiculous, unnecessarily over-sensitive, ignorant, and in some cases hypocritical"? Wow, LSM, way to respect other people's opinions.

Well, how else would you describe your opinion?

Honestly, it's your loss. Such a shame you choose to completely overlook someone's work over what they did outside their music, which is totally irrelevant, but whatever 

[halblaineisgood]

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[Disney Boy (1985)]

This board used to be fun but now it just seems to be full of arseholes trying to start arguments and wind up other members. They just suck all the fun out of these debates. Whether they're deliberately being wankers or just mistakenly believe they're being amusing I really don't know, but man they are making things on here increasingly BORING!

[phirnis]

Love the production. In some ways 20/20 may be the "darkest" Beach Boys album, which is a strange thing to say about a record that starts things off with "Do It Again".

[bossaroo]

ol' Charlie just wasn't a very good songwriter in my opinion, and no amount of production can save the song from being mediocre at best. again, just my opinion.

it's a damn shame that The Beach Boys were including songs by Manson and excluding songs by Wilson on 20/20.

[bluesno1fann]

I have little to add, so I'll make it quick.

One of your stock AGD-esque phrases. These don't make you look smart.
And if you get mad at me , that means you're over-sensitive and hypocritical. Suck on that.

1st. Your comment is completely irrelevant and does nothing but derail the thread.
2nd. I'm not angry, after all why would I waste my energy on a low-life troll?
3rd. I won't reply to you further, and I recommend you do the same. You'll most likely ignore me and continue, but I suppose that shows you are incapable of growing up.

[bluesno1fann]

This board used to be fun but now it just seems to be full of arseholes trying to start arguments and wind up other members. They just suck all the fun out of these debates. Whether they're deliberately being wankers or just mistakenly believe they're being amusing I really don't know, but man they are making things on here increasingly BORING!

I know how you feel man. But I urge you to stick around. Just ignore the arseholes and pretend they don't exist. It's easier said than done, though. I've always enjoyed your posts and I'm glad you created this thread.

[Mike's Beard]

ol' Charlie just wasn't a very good songwriter in my opinion, and no amount of production can save the song from being mediocre at best. again, just my opinion.

it's a damn shame that The Beach Boys were including songs by Manson and excluding songs by Wilson on 20/20.

I wish they'd covered Look at Your Game Girl instead of Bluebirds Over The Mountain.

[phirnis]

ol' Charlie just wasn't a very good songwriter in my opinion, and no amount of production can save the song from being mediocre at best. again, just my opinion.

it's a damn shame that The Beach Boys were including songs by Manson and excluding songs by Wilson on 20/20.

Which specific Brian songs did they exclude from the album? "Old Man River" perhaps?

[halblaineisgood]

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[Disney Boy (1985)]

ol' Charlie just wasn't a very good songwriter in my opinion, and no amount of production can save the song from being mediocre at best. again, just my opinion.

it's a damn shame that The Beach Boys were including songs by Manson and excluding songs by Wilson on 20/20.

I think Dennis' production and re-write more than brings the song to life. The 'um-a-now, um-a-now, um-a-now-now-now' section is goosebumps-on-the-back-of-ya-neck territory. I love the sound of it, the feel of it - everything.

[Mike's Beard]

ol' Charlie just wasn't a very good songwriter in my opinion, and no amount of production can save the song from being mediocre at best. again, just my opinion.

it's a damn shame that The Beach Boys were including songs by Manson and excluding songs by Wilson on 20/20.

I think Dennis' production and re-write more than brings the song to life. The 'um-a-now, um-a-now, um-a-now-now-now' section is goosebumps-on-the-back-of-ya-neck territory. I love the sound of it, the feel of it - everything.

I read that the vocal chant on the fade is what the Manson clan used to chant while sitting around the campfire stoned.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

ol' Charlie just wasn't a very good songwriter in my opinion, and no amount of production can save the song from being mediocre at best. again, just my opinion.

it's a damn shame that The Beach Boys were including songs by Manson and excluding songs by Wilson on 20/20.

I think Dennis' production and re-write more than brings the song to life. The 'um-a-now, um-a-now, um-a-now-now-now' section is goosebumps-on-the-back-of-ya-neck territory. I love the sound of it, the feel of it - everything.

I read that the vocal chant on the fade is what the Manson clan used to chant while sitting around the campfire stoned.

Really - or joke? Either way, I can honestly say it doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the song (or the fade). The aforementioned 'um-a-now' section has always sounded a lot like the Love To Say Da Da/Cool Cool Water chant, only faster and more powerful.

[Mike's Beard]

For real, I'm racking my brain trying to remember where I read it.

[RioGrande]

I just issued a request of account deletion. My presence is not good for this board, and seems to draw the worst from the resident trolls. Also have much better things to do, in fact. Well, nobody is perfect, and even I have my off moments.

I am posting this only to pre-empt any rumours that I have been banned.

My best wishes to the 90% of good guys here.

Rio

[Disney Boy (1985)]

I just issued a request of account deletion. My presence is not good for this board, and seems to draw the worst from the resident trolls. Also have much better things to do, in fact. Well, nobody is perfect, and even I have my off moments.

I am posting this only to pre-empt any rumours that I have been banned.

My best wishes to the 90% of good guys here.

Rio

Great, thanks for that. Right, so sticking to Never Learn Not To Love because that's what this thread is about...

[Mike's Beard]

Is Brian on the track? Can anyone make him out?