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Author Topic: 4th of July is one HELL of a song.  (Read 28164 times)
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« on: July 04, 2014, 06:55:48 AM »

Should have been on Surfs Up.   Mistake on someone's part...
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 06:59:00 AM »

agreed. it's dumbfounding how many great songs this band has left in the can.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 07:03:09 AM »

2 lbb: let me search it for you (took it from lmgtfy.com): http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,13837.0.html

Happy reading!
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 07:06:53 AM »

Eh. To be honest, I don't care for this song much. There's plenty of other Dennis songs which are a lot better.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2014, 07:10:30 AM »

4th of July is one HELL of a dirge.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2014, 07:31:57 AM »

Should have been on Surfs Up. 

Yeah, it is a stunner.

Mistake on someone's part...

Not much a mistake as a disagreement between Carl and Dennis which caused the latter to withdraw his compositions from the album.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2014, 07:42:03 AM »

I love 4th of July. A dirge? Maybe, but a dirge which takes you directly to Heaven.

But then, I love all songs by Dennis. Whenever I listen to his music, I can't help thinking that he was only 39 when he died. What a tragedy.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2014, 08:10:13 AM »

One of Carl's best vocals.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2014, 08:13:14 AM »

Should have been on Surfs Up. 

Yeah, it is a stunner.

Mistake on someone's part...

Not much a mistake as a disagreement between Carl and Dennis which caused the latter to withdraw his compositions from the album.

What an AMAZING album "Surf's Up" woulda been with "Fourth Of July", "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again", and maybe "Lady" slotted in somewhere amongst all the existing tracks. Personally, I envision "Fourth Of July" following "Student Demonstration Time" to close out Side One, "Lady" following either "Feel Flows" or "Lookin' At Tomorrow" on Side Two, and "Live Again" duking it out with "Surf's Up" to close out the whole thing (your choice).
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2014, 08:44:30 AM »

I've always liked the idea of the album closing with 'Til I Die followed by (Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again.

The song Surf's Up is great but if I had to choose between it or Dennis' WIBNTLA & 4th of July (and Lady if it was a contender), I'd choose Dennis' songs. Surf's Up is a great album closer but they could have used it on a future album that they'd need songs for.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2014, 08:47:29 AM »

   My current custom SURF'S UP slots "WIBNTLA" as the coda after the title song. "4th of July" maybe between "Disney Girls" and "SDT"?
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2014, 08:48:15 AM »

Should have been on Surfs Up. 

Yeah, it is a stunner.

Mistake on someone's part...

Not much a mistake as a disagreement between Carl and Dennis which caused the latter to withdraw his compositions from the album.

What an AMAZING album "Surf's Up" woulda been with "Fourth Of July", "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again", and maybe "Lady" slotted in somewhere amongst all the existing tracks. Personally, I envision "Fourth Of July" following "Student Demonstration Time" to close out Side One, "Lady" following either "Feel Flows" or "Lookin' At Tomorrow" on Side Two, and "Live Again" duking it out with "Surf's Up" to close out the whole thing (your choice).


Couldn't agree more!!
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2014, 08:50:58 AM »

   My current custom SURF'S UP slots "WIBNTLA" as the coda after the title song. "4th of July" maybe between "Disney Girls" and "SDT"?

Yeah, I could see "Fourth" going there, as well.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2014, 10:09:30 AM »

4th of July is STUNNING! Carl's vocal is gorgeous atop a typically spine-tingling Dennis melody.

I'd love to have seen it end side 1 of Surf's Up, pref in place of SDT.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2014, 11:03:55 AM »

I don't like it.
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2014, 12:11:30 PM »

I love the song/track, but Carl's delivery bugs me. It was just a scratch vocal, so I'll bet if they ever really finished the song it'd be in the upper tier of songs from that period.
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2014, 12:12:31 PM »

I love that song and
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2014, 12:38:52 PM »

I love the song/track, but Carl's delivery bugs me. It was just a scratch vocal, so I'll bet if they ever really finished the song it'd be in the upper tier of songs from that period.

  So you're saying you think the BBs have a finished version in their vault(s) which we have yet to hear?
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2014, 02:29:13 PM »

My Tracklisting...

Surf's Up LP

A1: 4th of July
A2: Long Promised Road
A3: Disney Girls (1957)
A4: Don't Go Near the Water [instrumental]
A5: Surf's Up

B1: Lady (Fallin' in Love)
B2: Feel Flows
B3: A Day in the Life of a Tree
B4: 'Til I Die
B5: (Wouldn't It Be Nice) To Live Again

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Long Promised Road b/w Disney Girls (1957)
Surf's Up b/w Don't Go Near the Water

"Landlocked" EP - I realize not all these tracks are related to the historical Landlocked, but I wanted to group the odds and ends of the tracks above somewhere and the title fits well thematically with Surf's Up.
A1: Sound of Free
A2: Take a Load Off Your Feet
B1: Student Demonstration Time
B2: Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2014, 02:45:29 PM »

I love the song/track, but Carl's delivery bugs me. It was just a scratch vocal, so I'll bet if they ever really finished the song it'd be in the upper tier of songs from that period.

  So you're saying you think the BBs have a finished version in their vault(s) which we have yet to hear?

No...just that if it's an unfinished work.
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2014, 03:14:31 PM »

   My current custom SURF'S UP slots "WIBNTLA" as the coda after the title song. "4th of July" maybe between "Disney Girls" and "SDT"?

Yeah, I could see "Fourth" going there, as well.

Same here.  Carl Wilson at his finest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEzR0Iz1sjA
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2014, 03:17:45 PM »

I love the song/track, but Carl's delivery bugs me. It was just a scratch vocal, so I'll bet if they ever really finished the song it'd be in the upper tier of songs from that period.

Well, there's always the instrumental version Grin
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2014, 03:53:59 PM »

I love the song/track, but Carl's delivery bugs me. It was just a scratch vocal, so I'll bet if they ever really finished the song it'd be in the upper tier of songs from that period.

  So you're saying you think the BBs have a finished version in their vault(s) which we have yet to hear?

No...just that if it's an unfinished work.

In an interview conducted by Mike Grant and edited and produced by AGD for the 100th issue of Beach Boys Stomp, Mark Linett said that although he was able to find the instrumental multi-track, he was unable to locate the vocal. Instead Mark used a vocal that Carl had recorded during the sessions.
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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2014, 05:13:55 PM »

I love that song and

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2014, 05:43:01 PM »

I'd rather have Dennis singing the lead. Carl sounds a bit whiny, though I'm aware that it was just a scratch vocal. And there are still some backing vocals dusting in the vault.
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