Manson and Dennis Wilson

[Surfer]

When Dennis went into his house and saw Manson for the first time did he shake his hand or tell him to get out?
This is my Personal Opinion and why would someone like Dennis be Stupid  to let in a Killer. 

[Orange Crate Art]

Nobody knew about Manson at that time, including Dennis (The Tate-Labianca murders hadn't happened yet). Dennis liked Manson at first because Manson had charisma, girls and drugs. After the murders happened Dennis wanted NOTHING to do with Manson or his so called 'Family'. I doubt that anybody truly knows what Dennis's exact reaction was when he came home to find Manson and his gang of weirdos hanging out at his mansion. And I doubt that the scenes from Summer Dreams or American Family are accurate.

[KittyKat]

According to Neil Young, Manson hung out on the Sunset Strip at the time and no one thought he was particularly threatening.

[Ron]

I'm under the impression that long before the murders, Dennis had enough of Manson.  Even at his worst, Dennis was never a complete loser and always had ambition, true talent... and was a kind soul at heart even if sometimes he could be a complete prick.  Manson's mooching would get old, even to Dennis, after awhile.  Everybody has friends like this... maybe they don't end up being involved in a bloodbath but everybody has 'friends' that have outstayed their welcome, that was the situation between Dennis & Chuck.

[SonoraDick]

I was just in Barnes & Noble today, & by coincidence was looking at this   http://www.amazon.com/Manson-Life-Times-Charles/dp/1451645163/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404448615&sr=1-1&keywords=Charles+manson
in the bargain book section (less than a year after publication; guess the fascination with Manson has dropped). There are several pages mentioning "Cease To Exist"/"Never Learn Not To Love"; the story here is that Manson was REALLY disappointed that Dennis changed the lyrics without permission and claimed 100% credit because Manson thought his version was his ticket to a big career in music. Dennis was spared serious trouble, the book claims, only because Manson still hoped to get his foot in the door via others who knew Dennis, such as Terry Melcher. Didn't see anything about the house issue but the index lists many page references I didn't read to Dennis/Brian/Beach Boys.

[Mike's Beard]

I'm under the impression that long before the murders, Dennis had enough of Manson. 

You're right, the Manson clan bled Dennis dry so he started avoiding them, even moving out of his own house where they staying. Manson still tracked him down whenever he wanted a handout but it was the Never Learn Not to Love incident that killed their friendship for good.

[Jason Penick]

There are *so* many threads on this topic, including some with feedback from Steve Desper who was actually present for some of the sessions. The search function is your friend.

[retrokid67]

There are *so* many threads on this topic, including some with feedback from Steve Desper who was actually present for some of the sessions. The search function is your friend.

thank you

[Alan Smith]

Start here and continue through the topic, enjoy:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12729.msg273557.html#msg273557

[RioGrande]

Sorry but I'll resume my old trolling ways when I sniff trolling (or bullshit of any kind). A bit like "ethical hackers", you know. 

So:

I once had a physician who was later convicted for fraud. That's about as relevant to my pedigree as Manson was relevant for Dennis.

[Cyncie]

Sorry but I'll resume my old trolling ways when I sniff trolling (or bullshit of any kind). A bit like "ethical hackers", you know. 

So:

I once had a physician who was later convicted for fraud. That's about as relevant to my pedigree as Manson was relevant for Dennis.

No trolling going on here. Surfer's legit. You should read this thread and watch his videos. He's a great air drummer!

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17608.0.html


Hey, Surfer! The thing about Manson was that nobody thought he was anything more than your average hippie at the time. There were strange communes and cult groups springing up all over the place in the 60's and he just seemed to be one more.  I think Dennis thought the whole hippie lifestyle was cool at first.

[RangeRoverA1]

Sorry but I'll resume my old trolling ways when I sniff trolling (or bullshit of any kind). A bit like "ethical hackers", you know. 

So:

I once had a physician who was later convicted for fraud. That's about as relevant to my pedigree as Manson was relevant for Dennis.

No trolling going on here.

Yes, it is, I agree with RioGrande. Next time don't answer his question, he never take notice of it anyway.

[Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll]

There is a lot of "mod-ing" goin on by non-mods here lately. Let Surfer have his thread.

[Niko]

There is a lot of "mod-ing" goin on by non-mods here lately. Let Surfer have his thread.

For reals. Either chip in something useful or move on.

[Jim Rockford]

There is a lot of "mod-ing" goin on by non-mods here lately. Let Surfer have his thread.

For reals. Either chip in something useful or move on.

But that would make duplicate threads. Oh how TERRIBLE that would be.   

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Imagine, it's the swinging 60's and you pick up a couple of pretty young hitchhikers and take then home and have sex with them (ignoring the alleged fact that one of them was Patricia Krenwinkle) and then the next night, you come home to find an entire harem of pretty young women there who will do whatever you want ...... Oh yeah, and there's this little scrawny "Wizard" guy who seems to be their leader. That being the only visible shoe to drop, I think you'd likely just put up with the guy.

[the captain]

Sorry but I'll resume my old trolling ways when I sniff trolling (or bullshit of any kind). A bit like "ethical hackers", you know. 

So:

I once had a physician who was later convicted for fraud. That's about as relevant to my pedigree as Manson was relevant for Dennis.

No trolling going on here. Surfer's legit. You should read this thread and watch his videos. He's a great air drummer!

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17608.0.html

Sadly, he capitalizes common nouns, which is even worse than trolling.

[RioGrande]

Good point.

[Ed Roach]

Start here  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClBfaGPD0mI&list=PLBw1C0dO-PU3P8Mn6OQWw-iGHZ1WPxBAc

[Ed Roach]

Actually, this will get you there:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPoeD1G6dpE&list=PLBw1C0dO-PU3P8Mn6OQWw-iGHZ1WPxBAc&index=2

[Mike's Beard]

Imagine, it's the swinging 60's and you pick up a couple of pretty young hitchhikers and take then home and have sex with them (ignoring the alleged fact that one of them was Patricia Krenwinkle)

Thing is, they were both dogs. The other girl was Ella Jo Bailey who was less attractive then Pat. 'The Wood' really couldn't keep it in his pants.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Imagine, it's the swinging 60's and you pick up a couple of pretty young hitchhikers and take then home and have sex with them (ignoring the alleged fact that one of them was Patricia Krenwinkle) and then the next night, you come home to find an entire harem of pretty young women there who will do whatever you want ...... Oh yeah, and there's this little scrawny "Wizard" guy who seems to be their leader. That being the only visible shoe to drop, I think you'd likely just put up with the guy.

Plus, we're talking Dennis Wilson here. If it had a pulse, The Wood was there.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Imagine, it's the swinging 60's and you pick up a couple of pretty young hitchhikers and take then home and have sex with them (ignoring the alleged fact that one of them was Patricia Krenwinkle) and then the next night, you come home to find an entire harem of pretty young women there who will do whatever you want ...... Oh yeah, and there's this little scrawny "Wizard" guy who seems to be their leader. That being the only visible shoe to drop, I think you'd likely just put up with the guy.

Plus, we're talking Dennis Wilson here. If it had a pulse, The Wood was there.

I hope he at least "got to know the woman" regarding Sadie or Leslie Van Houten!

Can you imagine watching the news and seeing two people you knew well, had been with, etc up for the most gruesome and horrifying kind of murder??

[Mike's Beard]

I've never seen a woman like Sadie before; can look either totally stunning or a complete mutt, it's mind boggling.

[Gertie J.]

linda casabian looks like a tool.