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Re: Brian Wilson album update in Rolling Stone
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Honestly, it does surprise me that anyone would have thought it a good idea to say that.
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Who gets the feeling that the person who wrote that post was also aiming it at this board
... Just a thought
I think people declaring music they haven't even heard one second of a "failure", a "disaster", or any of the other negatives is considered 100% bullshit far beyond this board and Facebook.
...and the same thing goes for movies.
It's a strange contradiction. We love this guy's music because he dared to get out of the box. But, then we want to keep him stuck in the box he made in 1966.
That's a valid point, yes. The fact that no one has heard it yet somehow folks here and on Facebook already know what it sounds like enough to form a negative opinion is infuriating enough for an outside observer. How about the guy actually making the music who is reading this stuff?
Poor Brian, having to read criticism of decisions he din't even make. Did you ever think it might be a good thing that people realize that Brian did not pick up the phone to call Lana Del Rey to be on his album, and maybe he's not that crazy about the idea, either, and the people criticizing or being skeptical are actually in Brian's corner? Brian isn't stupid and perhaps his saying he's not quite sure who Lana is is his way of saying, in a passive aggressive way, help, get me out of here, folks. Brian also told the Irish Times he's sick of collaborators. Maybe he's not happy with the way things are going, either. Some fans would rather defend Brian than Joe Thomas or his management. Let Joe and Melinda see what they're writing on Facebook and maybe they will change what's on the album and make it more Brian-centric in the end.
BTW, I don't believe Brian wrote that paragraph on Facebook. I'm thinking Michael DeMartin or his wife. Either that, or they "gently urged" him to put a stop to the negative talk and guided him in what to say. It flies in the face of what he told the Irish Times, and that was an objective outsider who got the words directly from Brian.
You seem to know a lot about this new album project and what's happening behind the scenes, can you fill us in on any more details about the music and the studio sessions? I'm curious.
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Re: Brian Wilson album update in Rolling Stone
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What makes it even more suspicious is that the "Brian" response exactly paraphrases what some of the fans were saying in the thread below that. There were a couple of people who mentioned the "f*** with the formula" thing. That "Brian" response, which seems to be from someone in his management team, is a little more revealing about what's going on in Brian land than his people may have wanted. They probably should have re-thought that and just shut up and let the fans argue among themselves. There were more people saying nice things and defending Brian against the criticizers than there were people doing any criticizing. His management seems very controlling of the dialogue around Brian. I haven't been on the blueboard in a long time but I wonder if they censor discussions there. They might as well delete the negative comments instead of posting that weird response.
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I don't think it's Brian that wrote that. He wouldn't say "f*** with the formula". Even Mike has said he never said "f*** with the formula".
I thought that same thing. That small bit makes me suspicious.
Why simply and rationally defend Brian's work when you can throw in yet another subtle stab at Mike and be totally transparent, too? Don't they realize this sort of stuff, over time, only serves to further harm Brian and the Beach Boys' image and legacy?
I'll grant you this is one of the more minor examples, but these guys are so obvious and transparent and, again, all these small little things add up in the long-term. Don't they care? Don't they realize any short-term gain from the stuff they do is negated by the long-term damage it does?
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Re: Brian Wilson album update in Rolling Stone
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I would like to add to this. For the record , I hate the idea of duets, so I was initially in my WTF mode on this idea. I wouldn't know Lana Del Ray from Marina Del Rey so I was essentially clueless about her work. But I love the thought of new idea's , which make things fresh and vibrant. And this is certainly different, that is for certain. But when I hear about "duets"; I tend to vibrate, and not in a good way !
But I ask ; does anyone consider "Sloop" or "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" or "Salt Lake City" or "Kiss Me, Baby , for example, a duet ; or rather , is this just an example of Brian , producing those records, juxtaposing the vocals , changing the dynamic on these great songs ?
I guess what I am saying is that I don't consider this a "duets " album ; for example is Alan singing verse one; Brian singing verse two and Blondue singing verse three a duet ; or is it a Beach Boys trademark switching off on vocals , changing the dynamic of the production ?
There is a world of difference between having family members in a group singing the lead vocals of different sections of a song...
And having a 72 year old and a 20 something trading lead vocals.
That`s not to say it can`t work but people don`t consider the Beach Boys songs to be duets because...they weren`t. Not in the same way at least.
I didn't say anything about Brian trading lead vocals with a twenty something; I talked about trading vocals with Alan and Blondie , and that should not be considered a duet And my point is that the Beach Boys songs were not considered duets , because they weren't, same as some of these new songs.
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Re: Brian Wilson album update in Rolling Stone
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Hey Ray, thanks so much for hangin' around here. Anyways, music-wise, from what you've heard, what Beach Boys or Brian Wilson albums would you compare it to? And how do Brian's vocals compare to his recent work? Anything as sweet as "Summer's Gone"?
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None of this would be happening, either, if they simply would not keep making statements and posting photos in the studio of a work in progress. People can say all they want how folks shouldn't jump the gun until they hear the released record, but I don't recall any other artist having that many constant updates about what's going on in the studio, and it's human nature to try to figure out what the final product could wind up being with the given information. I'm sure when bands like Fleetwood Mac were taking years to make an album, no one knew what was going on or who was in and out of the studio, or which tracks were rejected and which ones made the cut. I suppose the Internet creates the demand of constant updates. Still, not a good thing when they're still up in the air as to what they want the final album to be.
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Quote from: sweetdudejim on June 10, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
Hey Ray, thanks so much for hangin' around here. Anyways, music-wise, from what you've heard, what Beach Boys or Brian Wilson albums would you compare it to? And how do Brian's vocals compare to his recent work? Anything as sweet as "Summer's Gone"?
You're welcome. I would say that Brian's vocals sound like "Summers Gone" and "Pacific Coast Highway" , my opinion , a bit better but that's a subjective opinion. As to what Beach Boys / BW record to compare it to ; that's tough as this is really different in many ways. I love the background harmony blend of Brian/Al/Blondie/Matt ; sounds brilliant to me. Hard to compare it though to any of its predecessors ; I have to think about that one.
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Re: Brian Wilson album update in Rolling Stone
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Glad you're here Ray! I'm personally excited over the album.
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Quote from: Mike's hands have rings all around them on June 10, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
Glad you're here Ray! I'm personally excited over the album.
Thanks, I am as well. I think it's close to being finished
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i'm not totally signed off that the album will be bad
but when the time comes that we hear snippets and samples...
and it turns out there is even one second of identifiable autotune...
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If you liked Brian's vocals on TWGMTR , you will like it. If you liked the background vocals on TWGMTR , then you will like it. If you don't like any of that , then you won't like this record.
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Glad you're here Ray! I'm personally excited over the album.
Thanks, I am as well. I think it's close to being finished
That is great Ray! Would it be ready in time for the release of the movie?
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Glad you're here Ray! I'm personally excited over the album.
Thanks, I am as well. I think it's close to being finished
That is great Ray! Would it be ready in time for the release of the movie?
Gee I hope so ! I think it will be finished in the next several days
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Of course Brian didn't write that, as we do here: he's always admitted he's not comfortable with computers. He said way back that Melinda shows him comments, he replies and she types in those responses. Old history. Are all the words actually his ? Who knows, who wasn't there ? I'm guessing the overall tenor is his. Sounds like it.
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Give me a "Deluxe Edition" with the "original versions" of the duet tracks and I'll be stoked. Michael Jackson's most recent album had this, with an original version of the track without Justin Timberlake. I know it's different since the released version was remixed and reworked by Timbaland. But it got me hoping that they could do a similar thing here. Sorry for the alarmist post the other day! If Brian is actually bummed about comments like mine, that sucks. But this is a place for hardcore obsessives, and if I can't whine and moan about Joe Thomas and my suspicions about his dubious influence here, then where can I???
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I'm sensitive, too, Brian. I don't think your feelings are more important than your fan's rights to express their opinions. I dunno, maybe I'm burned out on Brian Wilson, or at least the whole scene around him and the list of rules that are supposed to be obeyed. He's turned into the Wizard of Oz in the minds of some of his fans. I'd rather hear an album by Al Jardine or go to an Al Jardine show. He's neurotic, too, and he certainly doesn't have Brian's gifts, but at least no one puts him on an unassailable pedestal where he can do no wrong and no one is allowed to criticize him. Talent and a gift doesn't give you the right to disrespect people's rights to have an opinion.
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Quote from: Ray Lawlor on June 10, 2014, 10:00:52 PM
I love the background harmony blend of Brian/Al/Blondie/Matt ; sounds brilliant to me.
This sounds amazing.
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Often a negative tone comes about due to a lack of information. If you sign on again Ray, can it be suggested to those that decide these things that a little bit of detail about release dates for both the album and the movie would not go amiss. Both were started last year and we still a none the wiser for either of them.
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I love the background harmony blend of Brian/Al/Blondie/Matt ; sounds brilliant to me.
This sounds amazing.
Much as I'm looking forward to the whole deal, this is the bit that has me salivating. Call me a fan, can't help it…
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Quote from: KittyKat on June 10, 2014, 09:50:47 PM
None of this would be happening, either, if they simply would not keep making statements and posting photos in the studio of a work in progress. People can say all they want how folks shouldn't jump the gun until they hear the released record, but I don't recall any other artist having that many constant updates about what's going on in the studio, and it's human nature to try to figure out what the final product could wind up being with the given information. I'm sure when bands like Fleetwood Mac were taking years to make an album, no one knew what was going on or who was in and out of the studio, or which tracks were rejected and which ones made the cut. I suppose the Internet creates the demand of constant updates. Still, not a good thing when they're still up in the air as to what they want the final album to be.
Quote from: Pretty Funky on June 10, 2014, 11:25:01 PM
Often a negative tone comes about due to a lack of information. If you sign on again Ray, can it be suggested to those that decide these things that a little bit of detail about release dates for both the album and the movie would not go amiss. Both were started last year and we still a none the wiser for either of them.
Thanks.
So do we want Phil's Wall of Silence or leaks? We oughta present a unified front
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An album cover and a release date are all I'd need.
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I'm sure it's Brian who wrote the message, just like I'm sure that it's Brian who keeps updating his status with regurgitated quotes from musicians about how great he is. If Brian's proven anything over the last fifty years, it's that he's boastful and full of himself.
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I love the background harmony blend of Brian/Al/Blondie/Matt ; sounds brilliant to me.
This sounds amazing.
Much as I'm looking forward to the whole deal, this is the bit that has me salivating. Call me a fan, can't help it…
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Quote from: KittyKat on June 10, 2014, 08:57:31 PM
Poor Brian, having to read criticism of decisions he din't even make.
Poor Brian, having to read criticism by people who
don't actually know
whether he made (or agreed with) a particular decision or not. No matter how sure of themselves they are.
I'm really sick of fandom's tendency to treat the objects of their fandom as a Rorshach test.
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