Brother Re-Issues: Proposed Bonus Tracks

[JohnMill]

I completely understand Boyd's reservations about releasing a song that seemed to predict Dennis Wilson's tragic fate.

Yes, it's spooky how Dennis wrote a song about a soldier dying, only to tragically die himself in a drowning accident.

Perhaps when Brian dies we'll realise how he amazingly predicted this in Til I Die

Perception is your word of the day my friend.

[joshferrell]

I think when Alan used the word "We" in the sentence he meant Brian.

that's what I was going to say something akin to this..
Alan: Brian here's a song by Dennis that should be on the MIC set, check it out..(puts the song on)
Brian:no way man!! this song is freaking me out!! the lyrics are too disturbing for me to deal with.. I don't want this song to ever see light of day, tell everyone that you burnt the tapes...

[Dudd]

 I completely understand Boyd's reservations about releasing a song that seemed to predict Dennis Wilson's tragic fate.

Yes, it's spooky how Dennis wrote a song about a soldier dying, only to tragically die himself in a drowning accident.

Perhaps when Brian dies we'll realise how he amazingly predicted this in Til I Die

I know right, how sick must they have been to put that one on the box

[pixletwin]

How Yoko must've agonized when she included "Living On Borrowed Time" on Milk and Honey 4 loooooong years after John's death... oh and Grow Old With Me...


Oh and her album released a year after John's murder featuring his blood stained glasses prominently displayed on the album cover.

30 years later and we still can't release "Carry Me Home"?

*facepalm*

[Iron Horse-Apples]

I completely understand Boyd's reservations about releasing a song that seemed to predict Dennis Wilson's tragic fate.

Yes, it's spooky how Dennis wrote a song about a soldier dying, only to tragically die himself in a drowning accident.

Perhaps when Brian dies we'll realise how he amazingly predicted this in Til I Die

Perception is your word of the day my friend.

No, my word of the day is bollocks.

[Mike's Beard]

Dennis didn't die from bullet wounds in the Vietnam war so the song really has no bearing on his own death. If he had sung a song about drowning I could understand the resistance to putting it out.

[Mooger Fooger]

Yeah well in candy striped Beach Boys reality the sun shines perpetually out of their collective backsides, so a song about a Vietnam vet dying, written during that stinking war is just not kosher. Deal with it. Oh and fun fun fun and all that.

[Jonathan Blum]

Dennis didn't die from bullet wounds in the Vietnam war so the song really has no bearing on his own death.

Dennis getting shot in Vietnam may not have any bearing, but the quaver in his voice as he sings "I, I don't want to die", that sure as hell does.  It's the emotion in the song that freaks people the hell out, because it sounds too damn real -- something which isn't the case in the Lennon examples, which are at most ironic or sad.

When my wife heard "Carry Me Home" on a Dennis CD I'd burnt...  She wasn't really paying attention to the lyrics in the first half, but when that bit hit, she was just gaping.  She was sure this was one of Dennis' last songs, and somehow he knew.

Much as I'd love to see it released, I can entirely understand why Brian or the others wouldn't want to let those kinds of bad vibrations out into the world...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

[Mikie]

I think when Alan used the word "We" in the sentence he meant Brian.

I think "we" meant the compilers of MIC; Boyd, Wolfe, Linett, and maybe Mike Love.

[KittyKat]

Dennis was doomed, in retrospect. And died by misadventure due to his years-long habits. Whereas John had something shocking happen to him at the hand of another. Plus, let's face it, Yoko is Yoko.  She's not into always doing the most respectful thing. She also had some anger about how her husband was killed, understandably. Whereas a guy like Brian is very sensitive, polite, and I'm sure what happened to his brother just makes him too sad.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Alan Boyd: "We also felt a little uncomfortable with the idea of at this point in time of Dennis singing (recites lyrics), “Please God don’t let me die“.

What, 30 years after his death?? If not now - when?

I personally strongly suspect that it's the 'The Beach Boys should be fun fun fun' camp who keep blocking Carry Me Home's release. Tragic. The song is staggering.

That wouldn`t be Mike you`re referring to would it?

Obviously he tried to block all of Dennis`s material from MiC so it sounds reasonable. 

If I'd meant Mike, I'd have said Mike.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Dennis didn't die from bullet wounds in the Vietnam war so the song really has no bearing on his own death.

Dennis getting shot in Vietnam may not have any bearing, but the quaver in his voice as he sings "I, I don't want to die", that sure as hell does.  It's the emotion in the song that freaks people the hell out, because it sounds too damn real -- something which isn't the case in the Lennon examples, which are at most ironic or sad.

When my wife heard "Carry Me Home" on a Dennis CD I'd burnt...  She wasn't really paying attention to the lyrics in the first half, but when that bit hit, she was just gaping.  She was sure this was one of Dennis' last songs, and somehow he knew.

Much as I'd love to see it released, I can entirely understand why Brian or the others wouldn't want to let those kinds of bad vibrations out into the world...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

It wasn't one of Dennis' last songs. It was recorded in '73 - a decade before he died.

I just can't imagine any other band having such an obviously fantastic song - with so much power and emotion - and letting it languish in the vaults. It was one of Dennis' finest hours - the respectful thing to do in terms of his songwriting legacy would be to release it so people can choose whether or not they want to hear to it.

Alan Boyd's assertion that because it'd been on bootlegs for years it wasn't worth including on MIC is, quite frankly, utter guff. You could say the same for Back Home (both versions), Guess I'm Dumb, Mona Kani, Had To Phone Ya (backing track), and so on - yet all of 'em were on MIC.

I think Brian objecting to it is the most likely reason for it's exclusion, which is understandable (I'm assuming one of the few genuine passages in the WIBN autobiography is when Brian talks about how much Dennis' death affected him).

Hey, I just hope that when Brian dies we won't see Til I Die pulled from distribution because, you know, well now that he's dead we don't wanna be hearing a song in which he talks about dying, regardless of the songs quality... 

[Iron Horse-Apples]

I personally find Don Giovanni too painful to listen to. The frightenibg passage at the end when the Don descends to hell seems to directly predict Mozarts death of a probable kidney infection less than a decade later. I also find Shakespeare's tragedies too, well.....tragic to watch seeing as how he died an' all.....

What are the chances of someone exploring the concept of death, actually dying ?

I understand what people are saying. Its the way he sings it. To me it's beautiful and powerful, but predictive? I think not.

If Brian, or any family member resisted its release that's fine, but personally I think art should be challenging, not safe and cosy.

This reminds me of the crap Mike Eder used to write about Love You. Along the lines of because it's by someone who is obviously ill, it makes for uncomfortable listening.

[Jay]

I agree with everybody wanting to hear an excellent quality version of Carry Me Home. I also get the silliness of not wanting to release a song about death, especially after the group recorded and released a song like Till I Die. But we all seem to be forgetting one important thing that is key to why this song hasn't been released yet. Brian is the only Wilson left, and Carry Me Home is a song about death that is sung by his brother who is now gone. It hurts Brian to hear his brother's voice, singing lyrics like "Life was meant to live, and I, I'm afraid to die" and "Please God, please God, don't take my life". It doesn't matter if Dennis died thirty years ago, or fifty. The pain of a loved one's death never goes away.

[chris.metcalfe]

Looking at those track listings I would far rather have had this released than MiC.
Deluxe versions of Sunflower, Surf's Up and Holland are needed!

[Jay]

It's interesting that these disc's surfaced after the Made In California box set was released. I wonder if these cd's were reviewed once again during the compiling of the MIC set?

[ToneBender631]

A search on the internet learns that Quadim Mastering Studios probably no longer exist. The url does no longer work, there is no social media for the studio etc. The cds are probably not very new!

Plus they had an AOL email address.  Indeed...probably very old.

Surely a bit more searching of this AOL address would've lead us further down the rabbit hole:

http://www.singmastering.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/musicconnectionSINGMastering.pdf
http://www.dnamastering.com
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/david-donnelly-mn0001638277
http://www.indiepromix.com/mastering.html
http://studiocity.patch.com/listings/dna-mastering

I may have gone a bit overboard...

[Foster's Freeze]

Maybe they should cleanse 20/20 of the Manson connections, that's really difficult to listen to knowing what Chuck was involved in behind the scenes.

[pixletwin]

Dennis didn't die from bullet wounds in the Vietnam war so the song really has no bearing on his own death. If he had sung a song about drowning I could understand the resistance to putting it out.

Obviously it's because the sentiment of not wanting to die is unique to Dennis. Right?

Ummmmm right? 

[Sam_BFC]

Aren't the lyrics to WIBNTLA similarly troublesome anyway?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Alan Boyd: "We also felt a little uncomfortable with the idea of at this point in time of Dennis singing (recites lyrics), “Please God don’t let me die“.

What, 30 years after his death?? If not now - when?

I personally strongly suspect that it's the 'The Beach Boys should be fun fun fun' camp who keep blocking Carry Me Home's release. Tragic. The song is staggering.

l

That wouldn`t be Mike you`re referring to would it?

Obviously he tried to block all of Dennis`s material from MiC so it sounds reasonable. 

You have no idea how utterly wrong you are in this respect.

[Bedroom Tapes]

Has anybody tried checking out their local record shops in the SoCal area?  I do wonder if other copies of this are floating around out there...        

[CenturyDeprived]

Has anybody tried checking out their local record shops in the SoCal area?  I do wonder if other copies of this are floating around out there...        

This really seems like a one-off freak thing, where these copies came from one person's collection. Reallllllllllllllllllllly doubt anyone else finds this same set somewhere else.

[drbeachboy]

Alan Boyd: "We also felt a little uncomfortable with the idea of at this point in time of Dennis singing (recites lyrics), “Please God don’t let me die“.

What, 30 years after his death?? If not now - when?

I personally strongly suspect that it's the 'The Beach Boys should be fun fun fun' camp who keep blocking Carry Me Home's release. Tragic. The song is staggering.

l

That wouldn`t be Mike you`re referring to would it?

Obviously he tried to block all of Dennis`s material from MiC so it sounds reasonable. 

You have no idea how utterly wrong you are in this respect.

Knowing the truth doesn't seem to make a difference. Mike is always the culprit when we don't agree with band decisions.

[petsite]

These discs getting out reminds me of when a BB collector was selling a bunch of promo stuff from the 80's & 90's Capitol stuff. He was just selling stuff he got by working for Cap. I got some great stuff (photo wise etc) for almost no money. He just wanted to dump it. Sounds like the same here. Back in 1979, a CBS rep came up to me at the radio station I was working at. You want this advance copy of Americathon I have? Sure. When he came back to give it to me, he handed me 5 promo copies of LA as well. Just depends who it is working as the promo guy. The good thing for me about the BB not getting radio play in the 1980s? Whenever BB stuff came into the station? Take this home with you. We aren't going to play it .

A good friend of mine was talking with a rep from Cap in 2001. Told this rep he liked the BB. Rep said just a minute. Came back wiht promo's of all the Brother and Capitol 2 fers. Here you go!