Brother Re-Issues: Proposed Bonus Tracks

[The Shift]

I certainly hope you're right Billy. I was one of those who doubted the authenticity of the set originally but am delighted it's the real deal. What with these, the "bedroom tapes", the Big Beat material and the other unreleased stuff we know of, there is a decent (albeit uncommercial to the general music market) pot of material for a fresh box of treasures out there. Specialist product does sell to small audiences such as those here as might put their hands in pockets. Hope…

[Heywood]

If a cd has already found its way to a shop, I wouldn't have thought anyone could be surprised when it is found to have spread via the net or otherwise. Not necessarily the buyer, could be one of the several other pairs of hands it has been through. Would just take the one copy for a mate, who makes just one other and bingo - all over the Web. Could have been anyone. 

[bgas]

If a cd has already found its way to a shop, I wouldn't have thought anyone could be surprised when it is found to have spread via the net or otherwise. Not necessarily the buyer, could be one of the several other pairs of hands it has been through. Would just take the one copy for a mate, who makes just one other and bingo - all over the Web. Could have been anyone. 

But it hasn't spread, so whatever are you on about?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

But it can...

[rogerlancelot]

I wish this thread never existed in the first place.

Me too, bro. Seriously. No distress was intended when I finally decided to post my find. Still, I'm hopeful that something good will come out of the attention the material has received. Howie's article has gone a long way in establishing fan interest and Capitol/BRI will take note.

That being said, the comments implying I should be ashamed of myself for not booting the set are disheartening, to say the least.

Klay, if anything, you have earned my complete respect for your integrity. I've just been bummed out from other non-related things and I apologize if it spilled over into my message. Even as much as I love the Brother Years, and after all is said and done and I finally did hear them, I am positive that the world will not have changed any. Love you, brother!

[petsite]

I know I posted this earlier, but here it is again. Most of this set is out. Yes maybe not pristine, but some of it pretty damn good. Please review again.

[Howie Edelson]

Petsite --

The versions of "I'm Going Your Way," "We Gotta Groove," and "Hey There Momma" have never been booted -- I don't know if they warrant an "X."

"I'm Going Your Way" has the same track, but an entirely new double tracked Dennis lead vocal.
Both "Groove" and "Momma" have a full set of lyrics and vocals.

I just want to say this without pointing fingers at the "ole evil record company," which like everything else has its share of heroes and villains -- but the same company that buried MIC from both a budgeting standpoint to the actual release date (how this thing -- the followup up to GRAMMY AWARD WINNING TSS (!!!) -- was not released on or near Black Friday with a massive multimedia push is beyond me. You dump 9-track Bertie Higgins comps in late-August -- not something of importance. There are FEW things simpler. . .) is releasing a massive Allman Brothers Fillmore East set next month.

What I'm saying is that UMe is far from adverse to mining its vaults.
The vaults are the future.

If fans want BB outtakes out there, they really need to contact Universal and demand them -- personally -- NOT in a group petition that reeks of geekdom and automatically invalidates any request. Trust me, nothing gets ignored faster than a petition.

A stack of emails says something.

It's not BRI or the band being stingy about their vault.
They have a team who could do MIC EVERY YEAR.

Email Capitol/UMe and say you want this stuff.
It truly may be that simple.

[puni puni]

this is a good thread; these recordings can't stay unheard forever

[The Shift]

'Scuse me if this has been mentioned, but a number of the tracks are noted "LP only" – assume the implication is that a concurrent vinyl reissue had been on the cards for each album, before they were consolidated as two-fers packages?

[Heywood]

But it can...

thank you.
Didn't think it was rocket surgery.

[Alan Smith]

'Scuse me if this has been mentioned, but a number of the tracks are noted "LP only" – assume the implication is that a concurrent vinyl reissue had been on the cards for each album, before they were consolidated as two-fers packages?

It did get hinted at in the skeptical phase of this thread, but remains a bit fascinating and deserves re-raising in hope of an answer or best guess.  LAGD's recollections from a few pages back cover a gamut of CD release formats, but no mention of LP format - interesting the implied play times - you'd have to be talking double vinyl sets if that was the original intention

[Alan Smith]

Trust me, nothing gets ignored faster than a petition.

Don't mention the "p" word around here, Howie 

Thanks for the sage advice about genuine emails, plenty of food for thought - thanks again

[Andrew G. Doe]

I wish this thread never existed in the first place.

Me too, bro. Seriously. No distress was intended when I finally decided to post my find. Still, I'm hopeful that something good will come out of the attention the material has received. Howie's article has gone a long way in establishing fan interest and Capitol/BRI will take note.

That being said, the comments implying I should be ashamed of myself for not booting the set are disheartening, to say the least.

Ignore these people and stick to your guns. Some fans - BB or otherwise - will always have such a sense of entitlement.

[Foster's Freeze]

I wish this thread never existed in the first place.

Me too, bro. Seriously. No distress was intended when I finally decided to post my find. Still, I'm hopeful that something good will come out of the attention the material has received. Howie's article has gone a long way in establishing fan interest and Capitol/BRI will take note.

That being said, the comments implying I should be ashamed of myself for not booting the set are disheartening, to say the least.

Ignore these people and stick to your guns. Some fans - BB or otherwise - will always have such a sense of entitlement.

AGD is correct, it's cool you have a set of desirable tracks - don't worry that others are pissed about not sharing.  We live in a small world, things won't be hidden forever.

[PhilCohen]

Here's a valid question for Mr.Doe. While not asking Mr.Doe to reveal any secrets about the contents of any (possible?) future archival Beach Boys CD product, perhaps Mr.Doe can ask his inside connections whether there ever will be any further Beach Boys archival releases, or whether "Made in California" marks the end of archival activity. Not only is there the problem of getting permission from the feuding Beach Boys, there is also the question of whether Capitol/Universal Music think that further archival releases are commercially viable. I doubt that "Made in California" was a huge hit.

[Andrew G. Doe]

You seem to have come to your desired conclusion anyway, so I wouldn't dream of wasting my time in contradicting you: partly because you won't believe anything I say. and partly because, as always, you don't have the first clue as to what's going on behind the scenes.

[Matt H]

Both "Groove" and "Momma" have a full set of lyrics and vocals.

Klay, or anyone who has heard these, can you transcribe the lyrics to these songs?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Be careful what you wish for...

[PhilCohen]

You seem to have come to your desired conclusion anyway, so I wouldn't dream of wasting my time in contradicting you: partly because you won't believe anything I say. and partly because, as always, you don't have the first clue as to what's going on behind the scenes.

What a non-answer. You were only asked if further archival projects were under development (yes or no). You weren't asked for any specifics.

[rogerlancelot]

You seem to have come to your desired conclusion anyway, so I wouldn't dream of wasting my time in contradicting you: partly because you won't believe anything I say. and partly because, as always, you don't have the first clue as to what's going on behind the scenes.

What a non-answer. You were only asked if further archival projects were under development (yes or no). You weren't asked for any specifics.

No worries, Phil. He's only a "legend" in his own mind.

[bgas]

You seem to have come to your desired conclusion anyway, so I wouldn't dream of wasting my time in contradicting you: partly because you won't believe anything I say. and partly because, as always, you don't have the first clue as to what's going on behind the scenes.

What a non-answer. You were only asked if further archival projects were under development (yes or no). You weren't asked for any specifics.

No worries, Phil. He's only a "legend" in his own mind.

 No!  I think he's legendary also

[Ed Roach]

Petsite --

The versions of "I'm Going Your Way," "We Gotta Groove," and "Hey There Momma" have never been booted -- I don't know if they warrant an "X."

"I'm Going Your Way" has the same track, but an entirely new double tracked Dennis lead vocal.
Both "Groove" and "Momma" have a full set of lyrics and vocals.

I just want to say this without pointing fingers at the "ole evil record company," which like everything else has its share of heroes and villains -- but the same company that buried MIC from both a budgeting standpoint to the actual release date (how this thing -- the followup up to GRAMMY AWARD WINNING TSS (!!!) -- was not released on or near Black Friday with a massive multimedia push is beyond me. You dump 9-track Bertie Higgins comps in late-August -- not something of importance. There are FEW things simpler. . .) is releasing a massive Allman Brothers Fillmore East set next month.

What I'm saying is that UMe is far from adverse to mining its vaults.
The vaults are the future.

If fans want BB outtakes out there, they really need to contact Universal and demand them -- personally -- NOT in a group petition that reeks of geekdom and automatically invalidates any request. Trust me, nothing gets ignored faster than a petition.

A stack of emails says something.

It's not BRI or the band being stingy about their vault.
They have a team who could do MIC EVERY YEAR.

Email Capitol/UMe and say you want this stuff.
It truly may be that simple.

Well said as always Howie!

[rogerlancelot]

You seem to have come to your desired conclusion anyway, so I wouldn't dream of wasting my time in contradicting you: partly because you won't believe anything I say. and partly because, as always, you don't have the first clue as to what's going on behind the scenes.

What a non-answer. You were only asked if further archival projects were under development (yes or no). You weren't asked for any specifics.

No worries, Phil. He's only a "legend" in his own mind.

 No!  I think he's legendary also

Truth: I've learned a lot from this legendary guy. I was just trying to comfort Phil. 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Giving Phil any information that doesn't mesh with his idee fixee is about as sensible as telling a member of the NRA that the 2nd amendment applies to establishing a militia over 200 years ago, not his right to go into a shopping mall with an AK 47 and blow away who he chooses this afternoon.

As my father used to say, can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Petsite --

The versions of "I'm Going Your Way," "We Gotta Groove," and "Hey There Momma" have never been booted -- I don't know if they warrant an "X."

"I'm Going Your Way" has the same track, but an entirely new double tracked Dennis lead vocal.
Both "Groove" and "Momma" have a full set of lyrics and vocals.

I just want to say this without pointing fingers at the "ole evil record company," which like everything else has its share of heroes and villains -- but the same company that buried MIC from both a budgeting standpoint to the actual release date (how this thing -- the followup up to GRAMMY AWARD WINNING TSS (!!!) -- was not released on or near Black Friday with a massive multimedia push is beyond me. You dump 9-track Bertie Higgins comps in late-August -- not something of importance. There are FEW things simpler. . .) is releasing a massive Allman Brothers Fillmore East set next month.

What I'm saying is that UMe is far from adverse to mining its vaults.
The vaults are the future.

If fans want BB outtakes out there, they really need to contact Universal and demand them -- personally -- NOT in a group petition that reeks of geekdom and automatically invalidates any request. Trust me, nothing gets ignored faster than a petition.

A stack of emails says something.

It's not BRI or the band being stingy about their vault.
They have a team who could do MIC EVERY YEAR.

Email Capitol/UMe and say you want this stuff.
It truly may be that simple.

I shall bulk email my contacts in the Tower at once. All 47 of them.