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« Reply #225 on: May 27, 2014, 02:28:15 PM »

Considering they never bothered to either release nor properly market such a niche album reissue product, they cant exactly make comparisons. Hawthorne was a rarities package, not an established album with bonus tracks. Heck, if Sandman by Harry Nilsson can warrant such effort, so can Holland. IMHO of course.

Then again, a website where one could download such extras wouldn't be a bad idea...imagine a central location for all Beach Boys material. The mind boggles.
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« Reply #226 on: May 27, 2014, 02:29:56 PM »

I emailed CD trader and offered them $1000 for another one. Their response: "it was a random cd from somebody's random collection".
And yes, the $1000 was a serious offer. And yes, I have a problem!
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« Reply #227 on: May 27, 2014, 02:33:20 PM »

Speaking of 'Hawthorne, CA' -- it seems curious that this group of tracks would have been prepared prior to the 2000 reissue program, yet nothing from here would wind up on this comp. Was the 'Brother Rarities' set still on the table in 2001 ?

Then again, this is the Beach Boys we're talking about. I just don't understand the preference for 'vocals only' and 'track only' mixes getting the nod over complete alternate versions.
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« Reply #228 on: May 27, 2014, 04:13:22 PM »

Apparently the "Brother Rarities" set was just a name and not much of anything beyond that.
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« Reply #229 on: May 27, 2014, 04:30:53 PM »

I wonder if discs exist for the other Brother-era albums....
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« Reply #230 on: May 27, 2014, 04:57:01 PM »

I wonder if discs exist for the other Brother-era albums....

Maybe they were gonna do twofers for MIU/LA and Summer/BB85.
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« Reply #231 on: May 27, 2014, 05:09:54 PM »

My 2 cents. This would support the fact that these were made in the 90's. Or maybe I'm way off base:

Back in the early 90's, it was not as easy as now to burn a CDR, and it cost much more money. At this time, there were mastering companies that did these CDR's. Later, it was easier for the record company to edit promo CDR's than original CD's.

When mastering to CD, the Recordable CD (CDR) is used in a similar way to acetates, with the sound being checked from a CDR. In the early days of the CD some record dealers and collectibles shops sold these CDRs for a very high prices and referred to then as "CD Acetates". The ease with which they are now forged has killed the market for rare CDRs and the term CD Acetate is no longer widely used. These CD's were called "CDR acetate" as they have the same use as the vinyl Acetate.

Just a thought. I believe this company, Quadim Mastering Studios, is no longer in business or has consolidated with another company.


It's much simpler than that.  Quadim was a probably a dub house.  Much as I did in my business producing promotional video for Fox and Disney, almost every producer has a dub house they use to archive (and dub from) masters of even their most insignificant projects.  Handwritten notes are often included with what you call "typeset" info.  Most likely, Quadim's job was to dub (including handwritten notes) the project and messenger to whomever the producer instructed them to.  This was probably sent to somebody for review/approval/whatever in the late 90's and that person sold it when he found it in his crap heap recently.

Quoting this article from a 1997 issue of Variety magazine:  

>>Gaetano (Guy) Costa, veteran recording engineer and nephew of Frank Sinatra arranger Don Costa, died Feb. 11 at his home in Westlake Village of pancreatic cancer. He was 54.
 
In the 1970s, Costa worked with Motown Records and the Gordy company as VP of operations and VP-managing director of the studios.
 
From 1987-88, he served as president of Society of Professional Audio Recording Services (SPARS), and in 1988 he founded Quadim, a real-time tape duplication and CD mastering company.
 
His final project was mastering Lionel Richie’s “Louder Than Words.”  <<

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Quadim Corporation
5356 Sterling Center Drive
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Tel: (818) 706-8843  ( No longer in service)

Has been occupied for the last twelve (12) years by :
ILIO ENTERTAINMENTS
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« Reply #232 on: May 27, 2014, 05:15:28 PM »

Isn't it crazy that these discs might be from the late 90s and here we are after all these years, still awaiting the release of these goodies?
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« Reply #233 on: May 27, 2014, 06:07:23 PM »

It's amazing they didn't get wiped by CD rot.  I've had that happen to a few CD's, both legit and boots.
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« Reply #234 on: May 27, 2014, 07:15:38 PM »

Isn't it crazy that these discs might be from the late 90s and here we are after all these years, still awaiting the release of these goodies?

Not really. We've already gotten the cream of the crop of unreleased/alternate takes/instrumental tracks/vocals-only/stereo bonus cuts released on the Capitol 2-fers, 10 Years of Harmony set, Good Vibrations box, a couple of Greatest Hits comps, Endless Harmony CD, Hawthorne CD set, Made In California set, Pet Sounds box, and Smile Sessions set/box. I stop short of saying the rest of the stuff left is scrapping the barrel, but with exception to a few items (noted above) I think we've already heard the best of what's left in the vault.

There's a few 70's other things of course that have been booted that I'd like to see cleaned up for a formal release: Carry Me Home, I've Got a Friend, Big Sur 4/4, Rollin' Up To Heaven, Battle Hymn Of The Republic, Hard Times, etc. And while I'm at it, a 2-3 CD Live box set.
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« Reply #235 on: May 27, 2014, 07:45:10 PM »

  • Fairy Tale - A Casual Look Demo features Brian playing songs for Carl. After he runs through the FT theme (and an impression of Milt Love), Brian starts playing the Pied Piper riff, "Then it goes like this...That's Mike Love...that's the beginning of Mike Love comes on, in about 1956, 7, ya know? [He sings Doo-Wop bass line]...A Casual Look comes on the radio, about 1957. It's going like this..can you do this?" He asks Carl to play a counter melody on the piano. Brian continues to sing A Casual Look over the Pied Piper riff

I thinks its funny/cute/telling that Brian calls Mike "Mike Love". This dude has been his cousin his entire life but even this pretty private situation he calls him "Mike Love". Very Brian.

But yeah, anyways, it seems to me that maybe originally the "Fairy Tale" was gonna be a lot more than it ended up being. I think I remember hearing that Brian really wanted "Funky Pretty" and the fairy tale to be the core of the new Beach Boys album. Anybody remember if that has any validity? Anyways, it seems like maybe "A Casual Look" was actually part of the fairy tale and not just a random thing Brian started playing. Interesting.

Also, klay, if you know, how informal is this whole thing? Is Brian singing "on mic"? About how long is part with "A Casual Look"? I'd love to hear this at some point.
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« Reply #236 on: May 27, 2014, 08:37:39 PM »

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« Reply #237 on: May 27, 2014, 09:26:16 PM »

There is no "original mix" of "4th of July": the song as released on the 1993 box set was pieced together from at least two different tapes, and it's long been known that Carl's lead was a scratch/work vocal. It wasn't finished back in 1971. Definitely something odd going on here.
Klay, can you describe the alt version of "4th of July"? Vocals other than Carl? How does the "original mix" differ from the released version?
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« Reply #238 on: May 27, 2014, 10:57:00 PM »

[Love Is a Woman has a false start by Mike and a quiet snicker before he starts singing at the correct point.
Also has Al singing Brian's lead vocal parts.
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« Reply #239 on: May 27, 2014, 11:14:06 PM »

Klay, apologises for being one of the doubters. I said that unless we hear details re the tracks than I'm going to assume it's a hoax and, well, here you are with details... Guess I need a little more faith in humanity!

Anyway, any chance you could blackmail the recording companies into releasing this stuff??  Evil
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« Reply #240 on: May 27, 2014, 11:22:39 PM »

A "Legacy Editon" 15 Big Ones with an additional disc of alternate (Ie: better) mixes, and outtakes, live tracks ala the Forever Changes Legacy set would be fab!
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« Reply #241 on: May 27, 2014, 11:56:14 PM »

[Love Is a Woman has a false start by Mike and a quiet snicker before he starts singing at the correct point.
Also has Al singing Brian's lead vocal parts.

How do you think it stacks up against the released version?
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« Reply #242 on: May 27, 2014, 11:58:34 PM »

Also, could we please get a description of the guitar intro on Johnny Carson?
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« Reply #243 on: May 28, 2014, 01:20:53 AM »

You rock, Klay   Beer - enjoy your find and thanks for sharing your impressions of the tracks!
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« Reply #244 on: May 28, 2014, 02:14:20 AM »

How much did you pay for this? Record store must be pissed if they now have people offering 1K

How clean is the "Carry me Home" mix in comparison to the boots? I presume we are talking first generation here if this is coming directly from Capitol?
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« Reply #245 on: May 28, 2014, 02:36:18 AM »

A pro mix of Awake demo?  Sounds awesome, hope it is released!
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« Reply #246 on: May 28, 2014, 03:08:59 AM »

Apparently the "Brother Rarities" set was just a name and not much of anything beyond that.

A track listing was proposed - double CD - before the 2fers, and would have included the Fairy Tale, making CATP/Holland[/b] a single CD. I was asked, doubtless along with several others, and said it should be where it belongs. Seemed I wasn't alone.
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« Reply #247 on: May 28, 2014, 03:17:18 AM »

-How is the sound quality on Awake, compared to the bootleg version?

Sound quality is excellent. The double-tracked vocal and piano have been professionally mixed.


My version, and every one I've ever heard, since the early 80s, has a triple tracked vocal. Maybe they mixed one out.
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« Reply #248 on: May 28, 2014, 05:07:32 AM »

Apparently the "Brother Rarities" set was just a name and not much of anything beyond that.

A track listing was proposed - double CD - before the 2fers, and would have included the Fairy Tale, making CATP/Holland[/b] a single CD. I was asked, doubtless along with several others, and said it should be where it belongs. Seemed I wasn't alone.

Bow Thanks be to L'AGD, and the several others, for providing such advice to the suits on high - I've always thought it a total deal that CATP/Holland got a 2 CD outing.

Except for the tedious sh*t Klay copped early in the piece, this has turned out to be a pretty fascinating thread, with interesting insight into the Capitol machine and what can happen between concept to shop shelf - especially for this post 60's gear, which nearly didn't get the green light - imagine that  Shocked
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« Reply #249 on: May 28, 2014, 08:18:28 AM »

[Love Is a Woman has a false start by Mike and a quiet snicker before he starts singing at the correct point.
Also has Al singing Brian's lead vocal parts.

How do you think it stacks up against the released version?

It can't possibly be any worse.
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