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Author Topic: Rolling Stone - Beach Boys Play Tour - Jeff replaces Christian Love  (Read 109458 times)
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« Reply #325 on: May 22, 2014, 02:31:06 AM »

So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.

I think he is meaning the Jones Beach Show, not the Reagan bash. David wasn't at that.
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« Reply #326 on: May 22, 2014, 04:31:54 AM »

So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.

I think he is meaning the Jones Beach Show, not the Reagan bash. David wasn't at that.

AGD is aware of that.

What he meant was that Brian WAS invited to the Reagan thing so it`s not outside the bounds of possibility that he would have been invited to the Jones Beach Show.
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« Reply #327 on: May 22, 2014, 04:54:22 AM »

So, did Mike invite just David and Al, or Brian too?
If so, did Brian decline?
Hmmmmmmm.

If an invitation was issued - and remember, it was for the Regan 100th show - I doubt Brian declined.

I think he is meaning the Jones Beach Show, not the Reagan bash. David wasn't at that.

AGD is aware of that.

What he meant was that Brian WAS invited to the Reagan thing so it`s not outside the bounds of possibility that he would have been invited to the Jones Beach Show.

More likely Brian already had the UK date booked and wasn't exactly about to cancel that. FWIW, it looks like they're not opening the upper deck of the JB show, bringing the total capacity probably down somewhere between 9K - 11K. It didn't quite sell out in 2012, but I'd put that down to the ticket prices and the fact that it was like their 5th or 6th show in the NY/NJ/CT area at that point.
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« Reply #328 on: May 22, 2014, 06:45:44 AM »

While any non-appearance (and non-offer to join in if that is what happened; my guess is Mike did probably throw an offer out there technically) from Brian would be largely due to the political/interpersonal machinations that have been involved with Brian and Mike (and their “camps”) for years, I do also believe that there is another reason that could be involved in Brian not appearing at gigs like this (Jones Beach, the Ella awards).

Once *all* of the core surviving members (meaning the five from C50, no offense to Blondie, etc.) are there, it is a much different situation than even three or four of them (especially when the variable in question is Brian). It then garners much more publicity (and attention and pressure from media, critics, etc.), and it also in some small ways in terms of specific PR/marketing, etc. tends to slightly “devalue” the novelty of a reunion. So, if there is *any* chance at all that the reunited group will do something together in the future (a TV special, a few gigs, a small tour, another big tour, whatever), it is indeed better for marketing purposes to not have them all on stage in the interim, especially if the idea would be for sporadic shows with all five of them in that interim. A 2015 or 2016 reunion will have more novelty if there weren’t random gigs here or there where all five of them were already on stage together. It wouldn’t be a huge deal (how many who bought tickets to C50 knew Brian had literally never been on a “Beach Boys” concert stage since 1996 or so, and hadn’t toured consistently since the early 80’s? Many, but certainly probably not all), but enough of a big deal to perhaps be another small factor for the non-appearance of Brian.
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« Reply #329 on: May 22, 2014, 07:05:27 AM »

While any non-appearance (and non-offer to join in if that is what happened; my guess is Mike did probably throw an offer out there technically) from Brian would be largely due to the political/interpersonal machinations that have been involved with Brian and Mike (and their “camps”) for years, I do also believe that there is another reason that could be involved in Brian not appearing at gigs like this (Jones Beach, the Ella awards).

Once *all* of the core surviving members (meaning the five from C50, no offense to Blondie, etc.) are there, it is a much different situation than even three or four of them (especially when the variable in question is Brian). It then garners much more publicity (and attention and pressure from media, critics, etc.), and it also in some small ways in terms of specific PR/marketing, etc. tends to slightly “devalue” the novelty of a reunion. So, if there is *any* chance at all that the reunited group will do something together in the future (a TV special, a few gigs, a small tour, another big tour, whatever), it is indeed better for marketing purposes to not have them all on stage in the interim, especially if the idea would be for sporadic shows with all five of them in that interim. A 2015 or 2016 reunion will have more novelty if there weren’t random gigs here or there where all five of them were already on stage together. It wouldn’t be a huge deal (how many who bought tickets to C50 knew Brian had literally never been on a “Beach Boys” concert stage since 1996 or so, and hadn’t toured consistently since the early 80’s? Many, but certainly probably not all), but enough of a big deal to perhaps be another small factor for the non-appearance of Brian.


Sounds like the Mike Love theory to me.
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« Reply #330 on: May 22, 2014, 07:58:01 AM »

Why must BW appear at the invitation and whims of Mike Love? Mike is not the BBs leader and main founder of the group.
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« Reply #331 on: May 22, 2014, 08:36:28 AM »

Why must BW appear at the invitation and whims of Mike Love? Mike is not the BBs leader and main founder of the group.
He surely is the leader for the touring Beach Boys. The main founder, if there is one, died in 1983, so can't ask him. Plus, if recall correctly wasn't the surfing song idea from Dennis given to both Brian & Mike? You know, I don't think Brian puts himself on a higher horse than some of us fans do. It's frightening how we think about this band.
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« Reply #332 on: May 22, 2014, 09:55:22 AM »

I gotcha, I am just frustrated with BW vs. the BBs talk here recently.
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« Reply #333 on: May 22, 2014, 10:13:45 AM »

When is there not BW vs. the BB talk?  It's always been that way. Also, in this topic itself, there is the issue of Jeff leaving Brian for Mike's Beach Boys.  As well as Al and David playing one gig with Mike after hooking up with Brian for a tour.  Things have changed a little bit after the infighting right after C50.

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« Reply #334 on: May 22, 2014, 11:22:52 AM »



Once *all* of the core surviving members (meaning the five from C50, no offense to Blondie, etc.) are there, it is a much different situation than even three or four of them (especially when the variable in question is Brian). It then garners much more publicity (and attention and pressure from media, critics, etc.), and it also in some small ways in terms of specific PR/marketing, etc. tends to slightly “devalue” the novelty of a reunion. So, if there is *any* chance at all that the reunited group will do something together in the future (a TV special, a few gigs, a small tour, another big tour, whatever), it is indeed better for marketing purposes to not have them all on stage in the interim, especially if the idea would be for sporadic shows with all five of them in that interim. A 2015 or 2016 reunion will have more novelty if there weren’t random gigs here or there where all five of them were already on stage together. It wouldn’t be a huge deal (how many who bought tickets to C50 knew Brian had literally never been on a “Beach Boys” concert stage since 1996 or so, and hadn’t toured consistently since the early 80’s? Many, but certainly probably not all), but enough of a big deal to perhaps be another small factor for the non-appearance of Brian.


Agree completely, except to say that having the 5 principals perform together now would have a huge effect in devaluing the future marketability of, for example, a 2016 Pet Sounds reunion.  If such a reunion is in the long term plans, either as a one time event (with CD and DVD) or an actual tour, being able to say in 2016, "And now, for the first time since their celebrated 50th anniversary reunion in 2012, The Beach Boys are reuniting once again to mark the 50th anniversary of their acclaimed album Pet Sounds."  To the public the message is, "Hey, these guys rarely get together, so you better go and see them now, while you still can!"

But really, what I'd like to see now is the 5 principals getting together to turn BW's forthcoming album into a Beach Boys album, with a corresponding tour.
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« Reply #335 on: May 22, 2014, 11:31:44 AM »

Never ignore the possibility that in their 70's one of the members might not make it to 2016, or is in poor health and unable to perform.  If they have a project in mind, they ought to work on it while they're healthy.
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« Reply #336 on: May 22, 2014, 11:49:53 AM »

If a PS50 doesn't happen I think Mike has the '50 Years Of Good Vibrations Tour' title as back-up. LOL
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« Reply #337 on: May 22, 2014, 12:10:17 PM »

Never ignore the possibility that in their 70's one of the members might not make it to 2016, or is in poor health and unable to perform.  If they have a project in mind, they ought to work on it while they're healthy.

Totally agree.
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« Reply #338 on: May 22, 2014, 01:28:51 PM »

Well, this years beach boy tour is being called 50 years of FFF.  Next year 50 years of madness???, and the year after 50 years of PS?  Then, in 17, Beach Boys Love You long time tour?
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« Reply #339 on: May 22, 2014, 02:55:55 PM »

Well, this years beach boy tour is being called 50 years of FFF.  Next year 50 years of madness???, and the year after 50 years of PS?  Then, in 17, Beach Boys Love You long time tour?

Next year is a biggie. 50 Years of California Girls. I don't know if Mike Love can resist.
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« Reply #340 on: May 22, 2014, 03:11:16 PM »

Better California Girls than 50 Years of Bruce. Grin
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« Reply #341 on: May 22, 2014, 03:26:25 PM »

Well, this years beach boy tour is being called 50 years of FFF.  Next year 50 years of madness???, and the year after 50 years of PS?  Then, in 17, Beach Boys Love You long time tour?

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« Reply #342 on: May 22, 2014, 03:51:00 PM »

Better California Girls than 50 Years of Bruce. Grin
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« Reply #343 on: May 22, 2014, 06:42:06 PM »

I want a Bruce songs set. LOL
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« Reply #344 on: May 22, 2014, 08:13:00 PM »

TIME TO CLOSE THIS THREAD? We will need a new clean place to monitor the evolving and shifting bb line up. I am predicting more shows with "abb": "all but Brian," though I hope he relents and rejoins the band he founded.
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« Reply #345 on: May 22, 2014, 11:46:55 PM »

I want a Bruce songs set. LOL

I WANT ALL SHOWS TO BE OPENED WITH PIPELINE!!!!!!!!!!!

STRAP THAT BASS ON BRUCE BY FORCE IF NECESSARY
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« Reply #346 on: May 23, 2014, 12:00:48 AM »

I want a Bruce songs set. LOL

I WANT ALL SHOWS TO BE OPENED WITH PIPELINE!!!!!!!!!!!

STRAP THAT BASS ON BRUCE BY FORCE IF NECESSARY

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« Reply #347 on: May 23, 2014, 04:02:31 AM »

Six years from now, there could be a 20/20 tour.

Think about it.
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« Reply #348 on: May 23, 2014, 06:47:47 AM »

Live from the other side, the "50 years of Summer in Paradise" 2042's hottest hologram concert spectacular.

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« Reply #349 on: May 23, 2014, 06:59:58 AM »

Never ignore the possibility that in their 70's one of the members might not make it to 2016, or is in poor health and unable to perform.  If they have a project in mind, they ought to work on it while they're healthy.

While that of course is a possibility, Charles Aznavour celebrated his 90th birthday with a big concert this week...  Shocked So you never know.
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