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« Reply #175 on: August 22, 2016, 07:16:23 AM »

And it's worth noting that fear is a very personal thing. Opening cardboard packages sends shivers up my spine but I couldn't possibly explain why.
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« Reply #176 on: August 22, 2016, 07:21:00 AM »

And it's worth noting that fear is a very personal thing. Opening cardboard packages sends shivers up my spine but I couldn't possibly explain why.

For me, spiders. 

I also have irrational fear / anxiety about concerts.  When I go to a show, especially if it's a long distance, I check to make sure I have the tickets every few minutes. 
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« Reply #177 on: August 22, 2016, 07:26:25 AM »

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« Reply #178 on: August 22, 2016, 07:39:00 AM »

My current pet peeve - summer colds.   I got one last week.  It's a mild cold, but it WON'T GO AWAY. 

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« Reply #179 on: August 22, 2016, 07:56:07 AM »

girls using super-old trick - telling they're very ugly when they're obviously pretty. I say, "Yes, you're very ugly, mug like yours can make people double over to avoid the glimpse of your freakface".
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« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2016, 04:55:26 AM »

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but I get really riled by people who write <it's> when they mean <its>:

<It's quite credible> requires an apostrophe, <assess its credibility> does not!

And this mistake is made everywhere, even on BBC web pages... 
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« Reply #181 on: September 11, 2016, 05:32:07 AM »

Absolutely, John K!

It's so pervasive that when I read something like "put back in its proper place" it looks wrong. So used to seeing "put back in it's proper place."
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« Reply #182 on: September 14, 2016, 02:56:41 AM »

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« Reply #183 on: September 14, 2016, 03:07:54 AM »

When people write "my friend and I", "my wife and I", "[name] and I". What is this, showing respect? Can't they say "me & my friend", "me & [somebody else]" etc.? F.ex., let's say you attended BBs show with your friends & next thing you do is share it quickly in your blog/message board/facebook etc. Since this is *your* story, *you* post it, then I think it'd be logical if you started with yourself - "Today me & my friends were at a BBs show...".
It's in correct grammar.
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« Reply #184 on: September 14, 2016, 05:31:05 AM »

When people write "my friend and I", "my wife and I", "[name] and I". What is this, showing respect? Can't they say "me & my friend", "me & [somebody else]" etc.? F.ex., let's say you attended BBs show with your friends & next thing you do is share it quickly in your blog/message board/facebook etc. Since this is *your* story, *you* post it, then I think it'd be logical if you started with yourself - "Today me & my friends were at a BBs show...".
Range Rover - I have to first compliment you on your written English.  It is very good.  English, is a very tough language with a million rules and exceptions to the rules.

These are subject pronouns:  (for singular) I, you, he/she/it (for plural) We, you, they.

Subject pronouns are used with the main verb or predicate - so it would be My wife and I (because it could be substituted for "We")

And we have object pronouns that are used with objects of the prepositions (such as above, below, in, among, etc.)

They are: Me, you, him/her/it (for singular) and, (us, you, them) - and they are used in phrases that don't have a subject and a predicate. 

It is the was it is in "use" and not the way it may "sound" - We only use subject pronouns when in the use of a subject-predicate and object pronouns for objects or prepositions or direct and indirect objets. 

So, to use your example, it is, "Today my friends and I were at at a BB show." The I refers to the subject of the sentence - agreeing in "number" with the verb "were." You could substitute this..."We were at a BB show."  And it refers to the "way it is used" and not "how it sounds."   Hope that helps.  English is a really difficult language.  You do very well with it.   Wink


 
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« Reply #185 on: September 14, 2016, 05:39:32 AM »

Thank you, 'plage (edit: & jo'). I appreciate your compliment. English ruling is very difficult indeed. But on 3rd read I understood what you posted. Thanks, that helps. 3D
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« Reply #186 on: September 14, 2016, 05:40:05 AM »

Range Rover - I have to first compliment you on your written English.  It is very good. * * * English is a really difficult language.  You do very well with it.   Wink

I'll echo that. :=)
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« Reply #187 on: September 14, 2016, 05:55:08 AM »

Thank you, 'plage (edit: & jo'). I appreciate your compliment. English ruling is very difficult indeed. But on 3rd read I understood what you posted. Thanks, that helps. 3D

You are most welcome.   Wink
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« Reply #188 on: September 26, 2016, 03:38:39 AM »

I suppose the thing that irks me most these days (on this forum) is the tiresome business of "please delete my account". (One ex-poster has even called himself "please delete my account"!) Just leave if you must, for goodness' sake----why make a circus act out of it? It's only the internet, after all.


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« Reply #189 on: September 28, 2016, 02:50:29 PM »

When people write "my friend and I", "my wife and I", "[name] and I". What is this, showing respect? Can't they say "me & my friend", "me & [somebody else]" etc.? F.ex., let's say you attended BBs show with your friends & next thing you do is share it quickly in your blog/message board/facebook etc. Since this is *your* story, *you* post it, then I think it'd be logical if you started with yourself - "Today me & my friends were at a BBs show...".
I just saw this and noticed that the responses focused on the 'I' vs. 'me' while I think your post was talking about sequence.
There's no grammatical rule about whether the personal pronoun goes first or second. It's just custom. With the first person singular personal pronoun, for some reason, it's almost always second and sounds very strange placed first, but again, that's just custom, not a rule.

So
Jane and I went to the store - correct and customary
I and Jane went to the store - correct but not customary
She and Jane went to the store -correct and customary
Jane and she went to the store - correct and customary

He gave tickets to me and Jane - correct and customary
He gave tickets to Jane and me - correct and customary
He gave tickets to Jane and her - correct and customary
He gave tickets to her and Jane - correct and customary
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« Reply #190 on: September 28, 2016, 03:12:56 PM »

I suppose the thing that irks me most these days (on this forum) is the tiresome business of "please delete my account". (One ex-poster has even called himself "please delete my account"!) Just leave if you must, for goodness' sake----why make a circus act out of it? It's only the internet, after all.




Agreed. I  didn't delete the account in case said posted changed their mind. I did do it as a "ban" just so that if said poster logs in, they can see a message saying why I didn't delete the account and to contact me if they changed their mind so I can reinstate them
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« Reply #191 on: September 28, 2016, 03:14:44 PM »

2Emily: That too, though 1st things 1st I was curious why people can't say "me & my friends" if they can say "me too" (instead of "I too"), "that's her" (instead of "that's she"). Many posters I observed writing this, f.ex. Rocker said before "me & my friends". What filledeplage said is right but wouldn't it be correct when smb. says "I grew up to be shortie" to reply with "I too", as it agrees with the previous human? Why it's suddenly "me too"? If they can use it, then by logic I assumed that "me & my friends" is allowed as well. or maybe it's dumb logic. Carry on.
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« Reply #192 on: September 28, 2016, 04:36:25 PM »

2Emily: That too, though 1st things 1st I was curious why people can't say "me & my friends" if they can say "me too" (instead of "I too"), "that's her" (instead of "that's she"). Many posters I observed writing this, f.ex. Rocker said before "me & my friends". What filledeplage said is right but wouldn't it be correct when smb. says "I grew up to be shortie" to reply with "I too", as it agrees with the previous human? Why it's suddenly "me too"? If they can use it, then by logic I assumed that "me & my friends" is allowed as well. or maybe it's dumb logic. Carry on.
Both of those are examples of convention defying what's grammatically correct.
If you are saying, "that also applies to me," then "me too" would be correct. But if you are saying "I think so too," then "I too" would be correct. Of course the convention is to use "me too" in either case; not sure why.
In the case of "that is she" vs. "that is her," "that is she" would always be correct, but is never used. There are examples with "this" where the structure is used correctly, though. Most people on the phone, if someone says, "may I speak with Emily?" will answer "this is she" rather than "this is her." In that case, they would be being both conventional and correct.

My dad always made fun of his high school English teacher for a really, really bad 'poetic' saying she made them memorize, though I'll note that it's effective enough that he remembered it, I remember it, and my daughter probably will, too:

We may all laugh at he
Who takes an object with the verb to be.
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Consequently, whenever I called him, I would say "'tis I, papa" in a bogus English accent. But, yes, the correct but rarely used form is "it is I" not "it's me."

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« Reply #193 on: September 28, 2016, 05:18:22 PM »

One of my pet peeves is when somebody asks a question, then argues about the answer.
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« Reply #194 on: September 28, 2016, 05:29:12 PM »

2Emily: That too, though 1st things 1st I was curious why people can't say "me & my friends" if they can say "me too" (instead of "I too"), "that's her" (instead of "that's she"). Many posters I observed writing this, f.ex. Rocker said before "me & my friends". What filledeplage said is right but wouldn't it be correct when smb. says "I grew up to be shortie" to reply with "I too", as it agrees with the previous human? Why it's suddenly "me too"? If they can use it, then by logic I assumed that "me & my friends" is allowed as well. or maybe it's dumb logic. Carry on.
Both of those are examples of convention defying what's grammatically correct.
If you are saying, "that also applies to me," then "me too" would be correct. But if you are saying "I think so too," then "I too" would be correct. Of course the convention is to use "me too" in either case; not sure why.
In the case of "that is she" vs. "that is her," "that is she" would always be correct, but is never used. There are examples with "this" where the structure is used correctly, though. Most people on the phone, if someone says, "may I speak with Emily?" will answer "this is she" rather than "this is her." In that case, they would be being both conventional and correct.

My dad always made fun of his high school English teacher for a really, really bad 'poetic' saying she made them memorize, though I'll note that it's effective enough that he remembered it, I remember it, and my daughter probably will, too:

We may all laugh at he
Who takes an object with the verb to be.
 (This is the first time in my life I've wanted to use a vomiting emoji).

Consequently, whenever I called him, I would say "'tis I, papa" in a bogus English accent. But, yes, the correct but rarely used form is "it is I" not "it's me."
I knew that these are correct, then my logic was correct - very glad to be confirmed that I was right, at least the bigger half of it. Thank you, Emily. Then going by that rule, to use my example "I grew up to be shortie", the agreement with that statement will be "that applies to me", i.e. the fitting reply would be "Me too", not "I too". Understood. Now let me ramble on - what you say makes sense regarding "conventional outweighed correct", it's habitual to say "that's her/him/them/us", just as switching light on/off etc. is habitual. But it puzzles that in the 1st place people would use sth. other than "she/he/they/we". It's strange that people decided to say it differently. That bit, the beginning, interests me. To get back to the "me & my friends" vs. "my friends & I" debate, I'm now informed, with help of filledeplage, that the latter is correct. But many of these pet peeves are irrational & subconscious maybe, I get the root but the annoyance will not go away for a while.
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« Reply #195 on: September 28, 2016, 05:35:47 PM »

2Emily: That too, though 1st things 1st I was curious why people can't say "me & my friends" if they can say "me too" (instead of "I too"), "that's her" (instead of "that's she"). Many posters I observed writing this, f.ex. Rocker said before "me & my friends". What filledeplage said is right but wouldn't it be correct when smb. says "I grew up to be shortie" to reply with "I too", as it agrees with the previous human? Why it's suddenly "me too"? If they can use it, then by logic I assumed that "me & my friends" is allowed as well. or maybe it's dumb logic. Carry on.
Both of those are examples of convention defying what's grammatically correct.
If you are saying, "that also applies to me," then "me too" would be correct. But if you are saying "I think so too," then "I too" would be correct. Of course the convention is to use "me too" in either case; not sure why.
In the case of "that is she" vs. "that is her," "that is she" would always be correct, but is never used. There are examples with "this" where the structure is used correctly, though. Most people on the phone, if someone says, "may I speak with Emily?" will answer "this is she" rather than "this is her." In that case, they would be being both conventional and correct.

My dad always made fun of his high school English teacher for a really, really bad 'poetic' saying she made them memorize, though I'll note that it's effective enough that he remembered it, I remember it, and my daughter probably will, too:

We may all laugh at he
Who takes an object with the verb to be.
 (This is the first time in my life I've wanted to use a vomiting emoji).

Consequently, whenever I called him, I would say "'tis I, papa" in a bogus English accent. But, yes, the correct but rarely used form is "it is I" not "it's me."
I knew that these are correct, then my logic was correct - very glad to be confirmed that I was right, at least the bigger half of it. Thank you, Emily. Then going by that rule, to use my example "I grew up to be shortie", the agreement with that statement will be "that applies to me", i.e. the fitting reply would be "Me too", not "I too". Understood. Now let me ramble on - what you say makes sense regarding "conventional outweighed correct", it's habitual to say "that's her/him/them/us", just as switching light on/off etc. is habitual. But it puzzles that in the 1st place people would use sth. other than "she/he/they/we". It's strange that people decided to say it differently. That bit, the beginning, interests me. To get back to the "me & my friends" vs. "my friends & I" debate, I'm now informed, with help of filledeplage, that the latter is correct. But many of these pet peeves are irrational & subconscious maybe, I get the root but the annoyance will not go away for a while.

My guess, for the "that's her" construction, is that it seems correct. I think people confuse it with a standard subject-verb-object sentence: "I tripped her," "He kissed her," etc. So if you don't think through the verb To Be being used as a linking verb, "that is her" sounds right.
Just my guess.
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« Reply #196 on: September 28, 2016, 05:53:14 PM »

One of my pet peeves is when somebody asks a question, then argues about the answer.

Same here! That seems to be very common on the internet in general.
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« Reply #197 on: September 28, 2016, 05:58:48 PM »

2Emily: I'll go with your initial statement that  >>In the case of "that is she" vs. "that is her," "that is she" would always be correct, but is never used.<<  To me, "that is her" doesn't sound correct but I *will* & *do* use it because I hear it in conversational English in movies, books, songs. & that's what English teachers taught us in school. But it doesn't mean that anybody cannot question it & pay attention to, right? I'm just curious how this thing evolved historically. Maybe it's as simple as smb. once said "that's her/etc." & it went to the masses.
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« Reply #198 on: September 28, 2016, 06:02:16 PM »

2Emily: I'll go with your initial statement that "In the case of "that is she" vs. "that is her," "that is she" would always be correct, but is never used." To me, "that is her" doesn't sound correct but I *will* & *do* use it because I hear it in conversational English in movies, books, songs. & that's what English teachers taught us in school. But it doesn't mean that anybody cannot question it & pay attention to, right? I'm just curious how this thing evolved historically. Maybe it's as simple as smb. once said "that's her/etc." & it went to the masses.
I have no problem at all with the question being asked. It's not the sort of topic everyone enjoys, but I do!
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« Reply #199 on: September 28, 2016, 06:15:05 PM »

I have no problem at all with the question being asked. It's not the sort of topic everyone enjoys, but I do!
Thanks for understanding, same here. To get explanations about English from native speakers, discuss it with them in real time is mighty cool - that said, maybe smb. is aware of book(s) that details on correct vs. adopted way of conversing & many other things. Would be jolly good.
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