Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show

[drbeachboy]

Exactly! I think that most fans of the Beach Boys, not just Brian and/or Mike, take a more balanced view of things and look at both sides of an issue.

[KittyKat]

I'm trying to figure out which Brianistas have been run off the board. OSD? The guy who posted mutilated corpse photos (as I recall correctly,maybe I don't)? Where was the shouting down and being run off? Maybe I missed some threads, I admit I don't always read every one.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Also, the "praising of Mike's role in the band" seems to mainly consist of praising his bass vocals, Warmth Of The Sun lyrics, All I Wanna Do (sometimes) and followed by a HUGE "but" ....... and then the litany of offenses starts.

[clack]

It's not anti-Brian to suggest he doesn't always write all the music to his own songs. Both Andy Paley and Joe Thomas have said they wrote part of the music in their collaborations with Brian. Were they lying? It is important because Brian's music has a distinct stamp and that gets watered down if other people are writing music with him. It may also be unnecessary because Brian wrote the music for TLOS without help, other than lyrics. It was a critical success for him, too, if not a mega-seller.

Brian began using co-writers on the music -- mainly Al, Carl, and Dennis -- as far back as 1968. Is 'Friends' (song or lp) "watered down"?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Not that these said Mike offenses aren't real or valid n some cases/ways.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

It's not anti-Brian to suggest he doesn't always write all the music to his own songs. Both Andy Paley and Joe Thomas have said they wrote part of the music in their collaborations with Brian. Were they lying? It is important because Brian's music has a distinct stamp and that gets watered down if other people are writing music with him. It may also be unnecessary because Brian wrote the music for TLOS without help, other than lyrics. It was a critical success for him, too, if not a mega-seller.

Brian began using co-writers on the music -- mainly Al, Carl, and Dennis -- as far back as 1968. Is 'Friends' (song or lp) "watered down"?

Brian's/The Beach Boys output has been, for the most part, a collaborative process from the start. Brian's distinct stamp has as much to do with the voices and talents of his brothers, cousin, and friends, as it does with himself. Him being the most important one sure, but anything Brian pounds out nowadays will undoubtably remind us of things he did in collaboration as much as on his own. He does have a distinct and amazing way of playing the piano! I'd like to think I could easily pick him out of a crowd.

[KittyKat]

When I read people calling those who worry about Brian as being anti-Brianista, I wonder if some Brianistas are more pro-Brianista, and pro-world-according-to-the-Blueboard, then they are pro-Brian. There will always be those who wonder if Brian is being allowed, or perhaps more to the point, allowing himself, to be the Brian people like to think he is. Or maybe that Brian no longer entirely exists, who knows. It's not just coming from pro-Mike fans who post on this board, the sometimes-wondering about Brian comes from the media at large, even those media people such as bloggers who are very much pro-Brian. I went to look up interviews with Andy Paley, and found this blog entry from a Brian fan who spoke to Bruce Johnston and Sean O'Hagen, and it's something I'd never read before. Bruce said some not entirely complimentary things, which anti-Mike and others would find typical of Bruce, but it's interesting what Sean O'Hagen had to say about observing Brian first-hand in the era when Joe Thomas was first brought into the Brian sphere in the late '90s (and it's very, very unflattering of Mike, too, so Brian fans can take heart):

http://uncanny1.blogspot.com/2005/05/brian-wilsonandy-paleysean-ohagan.html

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

I like fat Brian too but Landy-thin Brian was a handsome mother$ucker!

[bluesno1fann]

At least us Dennis fans respect the fans of all other members unlike the Brian and Mike fans lol

[Mikie]

I'm trying to figure out which Brianistas have been run off the board.

One of them is back and currently posting on this here thread (under a different alias of course).

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

At least us Dennis fans respect the fans of all other members unlike the Brian and Mike fans lol

It's those hardcore Bruce fans who are the most intolerant!

Let's run those "Shortsinistas" off this board!!!!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Few of them have also been outright banned.

OSD was not banned for being anti-Mike. Nobody here has ever been banned for having an opinion, and as long as I'm here, nobody ever will be.

[Howie Edelson]

Funny how no insiders have information about why Al backed out of Jones Beach,which was the topic of this thread. It indicates to me that Al has no insiders. At least none that are willing to come on this board and say his side.

An ill informed statement, KK.
Off the top of my head I can name about FOUR that understand the real complexities of the recent situation.

Is it really an insider's responsibility to "say his side"?

[Niko]

Is it really an insider's responsibility to "say his side"?

No, but it's nice to have something that isn't just speculation.

[KittyKat]

How can it be ill-informed if "at least four people" are insiders, but won't say? Yep, it does lead to speculation. I'm contrasting that to a guy like Ray, who has come on here to quell speculation, as a Brian insider. Or a person like Scott Totten who sometimes give a little tidbit about the Mike band, albeit without giving out a lot of earth-shaking info. Al hasn't had anyone like that to pop up on these message boards.Even his own son's posting on his dad's message board was barely clarifying of what happened. So, we know LiveNation approached Al and that Al would have preferred a direct communication from Mike. But what's not clear is why Al at least passively accepted the LiveNation offer, or allowed it to be publicized on both Live Nation and his very own website, before it was clear in his own mind that he wanted to play the gig or made some formal agreement to do so.

[Mike's Beard]

I'm trying to figure out which Brianistas have been run off the board. OSD? The guy who posted mutilated corpse photos (as I recall correctly,maybe I don't)? Where was the shouting down and being run off? Maybe I missed some threads, I admit I don't always read every one.

The one that springs to mind is McCabe who sort of brought it on himself.

[Dancing Bear]

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[Mikie]

I'm trying to figure out which Brianistas have been run off the board. OSD? The guy who posted mutilated corpse photos (as I recall correctly,maybe I don't)? Where was the shouting down and being run off? Maybe I missed some threads, I admit I don't always read every one.

The one that springs to mind is McCabe who sort of brought it on himself.

Nah, I heard McCabe was banned for life. Don't think he'll ever come back here.

[Wirestone]

Rob was -- and is -- a quality guy and real fan of long standing, as are Andrew Hickey, TDHabib, and a bunch of people who used to post.  I can't speak to the circumstances of their departure (although I recall that some were treated quite nastily), but they are missed. And the departure of informed, well-spoken fans from a forum like this should never be celebrated.

[SMiLE Brian]

I talk with Rob on the Hoffman board from time to time, he is a good guy who knows his BBs.

[Mikie]

Rob was -- and is -- a quality guy and real fan of long standing, as are Andrew Hickey, TDHabib, and a bunch of people who used to post.  I can't speak to the circumstances of their departure (although I recall that some were treated quite nastily), but they are missed. And the departure of informed, well-spoken fans from a forum like this should never be celebrated.

Agreed on all counts.

[KittyKat]

I don't think anyone was run off by a so-called pro-Mike contingent. There are people on all sides who sometimes get into tiffs that don't even have to do with Mike vs. Brian or specific band issues. Sometimes people stop posting because they're tired or bored with the whole thing.
 

[HeyJude]

Okay, I think we’ve finally gotten to the bottom of the Jones Beach debacle:




Brian: “You’re right Al, this Live Nation contract is bulls**t. You should tell Live Nation to go f**k themselves.”

Al: “But Brian, should I really cancel this whole thing because they can’t find brown M&M’s for my dressing room?”

or

Al: “This is what the kids are saying on Facebook?”

or

Brian: “So this is the list of guys Mike was going to ask to replace Christian Love before resorting to calling you?”

or

Al: “So, Brian, here are the lyrics from the attempt Mike and I made at a “creative collaboration”, do you think he’ll still want to write with me?”

Anybody else have any ideas?

[Dancing Bear]

Rob was -- and is -- a quality guy and real fan of long standing, as are Andrew Hickey, TDHabib, and a bunch of people who used to post.  I can't speak to the circumstances of their departure (although I recall that some were treated quite nastily), but they are missed. And the departure of informed, well-spoken fans from a forum like this should never be celebrated.

Poor McCabe. Too bad he was a quality guy and a real fan with a bad habit of harassing other folks through Private Messages. May he rot wherever he is.

[JohnMill]

Okay, I think we’ve finally gotten to the bottom of the Jones Beach debacle:




Al: “This is what the kids are saying on Facebook?”

You my friend have just won the unofficial Smiley Smile happy face sticker for post of the day.