Al joining Mike and Bruce for Jones Beach show

[Eric Aniversario]

There are some explanations from Ambha Love and Drew Jardine on Al Jardine's recent post on Facebook. Drew explains that Al wanted to perform but was sad that he was asked by Live Nation, and not by Mike. Ambha is a little upset at the name calling, understandably. Don't have tone to cut and paste, but these posts offer some insight into what happened.

[Eric Aniversario]

Here is drew's response:
Ambha, to clear some things up, Al was asked by Live Nation to preform at  the Jones Beach show but not so much by Mike which made Al pretty sad. Al did really want to sing with Mike and Bruce and David and be there for the fans of course. There were other complications as well between Live Nation, the Loves and the Jardines. And that's the reason he is no longer attending. It is nothing personal against Mike whatsoever and we all want to see the BBs reunited in the future for another great tour again! Just for the record, Mike has always been very kind and polite to Robbie  myself and Mary Ann, and we don't like to see all the past negativity continue to bash him all the time either. It was great hanging out with you on the road in 2012 Ambha, what a blast!

[KittyKat]

So, I guess Al resented being set up on a blind date with a person he's known for over 50 years. Understandable. However, Al really shouldn't have posted the date up on his personal webpage and he should have clarified the situation sooner. Or turned Live Nation down to begin with.

I get the feeling Al is not good at managing his career. Between this and other things that have happened over the years. Or the fact that his approach to "touring" the past few months has been so piecemeal and poorly publicized. He should hire someone to help give him direction, or maybe get one of his sons to organize things for him.

[Pretty Funky]

I'm not sure what Ambha is referring to but I thought most comments were pro Mike in this case. He was pretty positive about how much he was looking forward to playing with Al.

[guitarfool2002]

Facebook: There were other complications as well between Live Nation, the Loves and the Jardines.

Aye, there's the rub.

[Eric Aniversario]

Here are Ambha's posts, before Drew's response (which Ambha "liked")

I'm sorry but You're so wrong my dad wanted to continue and tour with Brian but they literally sent an email saying no more shows for the Wilson's and then flipped it around on my dad in the press and said he "fired" them which isn't true at all my dad was bummed. Plus Brian doesn't make any of his own decisions he's controlled by people when really my dad and him are friends and people continue to try to split them apart. And the only reason he sued was because he was screwed out of a TON of credit for songs he actually wrote that Brian claimed he wrote all the words to. Brian is a genius and wrote several songs and arrangements but how would you feel if you actually wrote all the words to several classic songs and didn't get any credit for them?  That's what happened to my dad and I'm sure you or any logical person would do the same. My dad wants nothing more that to sit with brian in the studio and make more music but if you only knew how many people are preventing that maybe you would see things a little differently.



Shortly after:

Maybe because al agreed to perform  wanted to perform even asked to perform and then backed out last minute out of the blue literally 2 weeks before the show?  Ever think of that?  Go ahead sue him for doing absolutely nothing wrong that'd be awesome.

[Pretty Funky]

Now we're talking!

[guitarfool2002]

Someone should pull the plug before it gets embarrassing beyond where it already went. Seriously.

[Eric Aniversario]

Someone should pull the plug before it gets embarrassing beyond where it already went. Seriously.

I don't really see it as embarrassing. I see it more as a bunch of complicated relationships between old band mates and their families trying to get along. I think that they really all care for each other, but there is some inevitable hurt that goes on, and unfortunately it turns into a public spectacle sometimes. I met Drew and Robbie for the first time during the BAD tour, they were very nice to all the fans who wanted to talk to them.

*edit: spectacle, not aircraft!

[Cyncie]

You have to admire Ambha's dedication to protecting her dad's reputation, but it's pretty sad that she feels the need to do so. Even so, this…

Brian is a genius and wrote several songs and arrangements

… made me LOL at the level of understatement.

[guitarfool2002]

Someone should pull the plug before it gets embarrassing beyond where it already went. Seriously.

I don't really see it as embarrassing. I see it more as a bunch of complicated relationships between old band mates and their families trying to get along. I think that they really all care for each other, but there is some inevitable hurt that goes on, and unfortunately it turns into a public aircraft sometimes. I met Drew and Robbie for the first time during the BAD tour, they were very nice to all the fans who wanted to talk to them.

It's embarrassing to have to read various family members slinging sh*t from 25 years ago at each other, but maybe my definitions are a little different.

[guitarfool2002]

And just my own thoughts here, someone explain how some kind of deal-breaking issue between Al and Mike gets turned into an opportunity to publicly throw Brian under the bus when the issue at hand was between Al and Mike regarding Jones Beach.

That's lame, sorry.

[RubberSoul13]

So after all that I think the conclusion is still.....ALAN handled this the most unprofessionally. If he hadn't posted it on his own pages and sites, I'd say Mike was most unprofessional because of not asking Alan himself. There's no reason to drag Brian, Bruce, or David into this. I don't see where they have done anything at all, really.

[Alan Smith]

And just my own thoughts here, someone explain how some kind of deal-breaking issue between Al and Mike gets turned into an opportunity to publicly throw Brian under the bus when the issue at hand was between Al and Mike regarding Jones Beach.

That's lame, sorry.

Sorry, where did Brian get thrown under the bus?

[GhostyTMRS]

You have to admire Ambha's dedication to protecting her dad's reputation, but it's pretty sad that she feels the need to do so. Even so, this…

Brian is a genius and wrote several songs and arrangements

… made me LOL at the level of understatement.

It looks like she wrote that hastily. She forgot to add the word "classic" the first time but did the second time. I doubt she meant anything by it.

I hate the idea of any Beach Boys progeny feeling it necessary to take to Facebook to defend their parents. There's something very unsettling about that. That's not a knock on them, but rather an observation that the level of fan vitriol is embarrassing.

[guitarfool2002]

And just my own thoughts here, someone explain how some kind of deal-breaking issue between Al and Mike gets turned into an opportunity to publicly throw Brian under the bus when the issue at hand was between Al and Mike regarding Jones Beach.

That's lame, sorry.

Sorry, where did Brian get thrown under the bus?

I'm sorry but You're so wrong my dad wanted to continue and tour with Brian but they literally sent an email saying no more shows for the Wilson's and then flipped it around on my dad in the press and said he "fired" them which isn't true at all my dad was bummed. Plus Brian doesn't make any of his own decisions he's controlled by people when really my dad and him are friends and people continue to try to split them apart. And the only reason he sued was because he was screwed out of a TON of credit for songs he actually wrote that Brian claimed he wrote all the words to. Brian is a genius and wrote several songs and arrangements but how would you feel if you actually wrote all the words to several classic songs and didn't get any credit for them?  That's what happened to my dad and I'm sure you or any logical person would do the same. My dad wants nothing more that to sit with brian in the studio and make more music but if you only knew how many people are preventing that maybe you would see things a little differently.

You either see it or you don't, simple as that.

But if any of that has f***-all to do with Al and Mike and Jones Beach, I must be missing it.

[GhostyTMRS]

And just my own thoughts here, someone explain how some kind of deal-breaking issue between Al and Mike gets turned into an opportunity to publicly throw Brian under the bus when the issue at hand was between Al and Mike regarding Jones Beach.

That's lame, sorry.

Sorry, where did Brian get thrown under the bus?

I'm sorry but You're so wrong my dad wanted to continue and tour with Brian but they literally sent an email saying no more shows for the Wilson's and then flipped it around on my dad in the press and said he "fired" them which isn't true at all my dad was bummed. Plus Brian doesn't make any of his own decisions he's controlled by people when really my dad and him are friends and people continue to try to split them apart. And the only reason he sued was because he was screwed out of a TON of credit for songs he actually wrote that Brian claimed he wrote all the words to. Brian is a genius and wrote several songs and arrangements but how would you feel if you actually wrote all the words to several classic songs and didn't get any credit for them?  That's what happened to my dad and I'm sure you or any logical person would do the same. My dad wants nothing more that to sit with brian in the studio and make more music but if you only knew how many people are preventing that maybe you would see things a little differently.

You either see it or you don't, simple as that.

But if any of that has f***-all to do with Al and Mike and Jones Beach, I must be missing it.

That thread is long. She was responding to another comment about Brian and Mike.

[KittyKat]

Here's the post Ambha was responding to, from a fan named Lori:

Sorry Ambha Love. I'm sure your dad is a nice man. It's just hard for fans to see past that he sued his cousins, Al, & others many times & especially that he didn't continue to tour with Brian, Al , & David after the reunion tour. That's Why God Made The Radio is one my favorite Beach Boys albums. It would be great if everything could get patched up so they could release even more New & amazing songs together.

[Autotune]

And just my own thoughts here, someone explain how some kind of deal-breaking issue between Al and Mike gets turned into an opportunity to publicly throw Brian under the bus when the issue at hand was between Al and Mike regarding Jones Beach.

That's lame, sorry.

Sorry, where did Brian get thrown under the bus?

Deleted.

[GhostyTMRS]

Here's the post Ambha was responding to, from a fan named Lori:

Sorry Ambha Love. I'm sure your dad is a nice man. It's just hard for fans to see past that he sued his cousins, Al, & others many times & especially that he didn't continue to tour with Brian, Al , & David after the reunion tour. That's Why God Made The Radio is one my favorite Beach Boys albums. It would be great if everything could get patched up so they could release even more New & amazing songs together.

That was Lori's "backing down" post. She wrote several before that which Ambha saw and responded to, like this one:

Hey Al, now is your chance to sue Mike Love for using your name for personal profit. Tell him karma is a bitch! Apparently a lot of people bought tickets because they thought you were going to perform.

and this one:
Good for you Al! Mike Love is a hack! He added two words to a BB song & then claims he wrote the whole song himself! We, the fans, know the truth! You, my friend, are a classy guy! A true friend & like a brother to Brian. We, the fans, love you

(just to put things in the proper context)

[Mikie]

Somebody's gonna get their feelings hurt on Facebook. There's gonna be a heartache tonight.

Melinda Love use to post on a couple of BB boards back when. Very nice lady. Then she stopped abruptly and I can't blame her. It's sad to watch young family members defending their Daddies. They shouldn't be airing out their dirty laundry in public. Not good.

[Alan Smith]

And just my own thoughts here, someone explain how some kind of deal-breaking issue between Al and Mike gets turned into an opportunity to publicly throw Brian under the bus when the issue at hand was between Al and Mike regarding Jones Beach.

That's lame, sorry.

Sorry, where did Brian get thrown under the bus?

I'm sorry but You're so wrong my dad wanted to continue and tour with Brian but they literally sent an email saying no more shows for the Wilson's and then flipped it around on my dad in the press and said he "fired" them which isn't true at all my dad was bummed. Plus Brian doesn't make any of his own decisions he's controlled by people when really my dad and him are friends and people continue to try to split them apart. And the only reason he sued was because he was screwed out of a TON of credit for songs he actually wrote that Brian claimed he wrote all the words to. Brian is a genius and wrote several songs and arrangements but how would you feel if you actually wrote all the words to several classic songs and didn't get any credit for them?  That's what happened to my dad and I'm sure you or any logical person would do the same. My dad wants nothing more that to sit with brian in the studio and make more music but if you only knew how many people are preventing that maybe you would see things a little differently.

You either see it or you don't, simple as that.

But if any of that has f***-all to do with Al and Mike and Jones Beach, I must be missing it.

That thread is long. She was responding to another comment about Brian and Mike.

That's right.   Yeah, I read Ambha's comments and even out of context I don't see how they are attacking Brian; and I'm a pretty simple guy.

I do agree with you that this has zip to do with the original Al and Mike hot topic; which is making a few people rather (and suprisingly) more excitable than I'd expected, and with your above comment - 'Someone should pull the plug before it gets embarrassing beyond where it already went'

[Shady]

So basically I'll be seeing brian and al on stage together in cork next week.

I win.

[Alan Smith]

So basically I'll be seeing mike and al on stage together in cork next week.

I win.

  

Enjoy, but spare a thought for those Jones Beach ticket holders who are feeling a bit slighted at the moment

[guitarfool2002]

That's right.   Yeah, I read Ambha's comments and even out of context I don't see how they are attacking Brian; and I'm a pretty simple guy.

I do agree with you that this has zip to do with the original Al and Mike hot topic; which is making a few people rather (and suprisingly) more excitable than I'd expected, and with your above comment - 'Someone should pull the plug before it gets embarrassing beyond where it already went'

This: Plus Brian doesn't make any of his own decisions he's controlled by people when really my dad and him are friends and people continue to try to split them apart.

A comment like that should never have been posted on an official website or media outlet, not to mention by a younger family member and one of Brian's relatives. There is no need for that, in this simple fan's opinion.

That's all I'm going to say...If the issues a fan like me would have with seeing such a comment aren't obvious, and if it's not considered at least uncalled for, if not just plain wrong and totally misguided/misinformed, I'm not qualified to argue the point beyond common sense from afar. If there are unresolved issues between Brian and Mike, let them talk man-to-man as relatives in private. I don't see how including a younger family member in this kind of public internet dialogue does anyone any bit of good.

Sad situation all around.