Mike Love - Nephew like Uncle

[Micha]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/reports-kevin-love-rips-into-teammates-after-latest-loss-010914

So what?

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

While I read your post as agreeing with me, I don't get what you mean with "Kids are off limits." I didn't read anything about children in that article... I'm probably dumb. 

I think he means children or extended family of the Beach Boys. For the most part, I agree, but Kevin Love is a public figure, so I don't think its wrong to discuss him.

Technically, they are adults.  But when family enter into a high profile occupation, where there are relatives in another high profile occupation, there is a tendency to over-focus on them and hold them to a higher and unfair standard.  He isn't a kid, Kevin is a nephew.  But the same age as one of my kids, so I have another perception.  I don't think it is entirely fair for kids to be always be compared to their parents, in terms of what they do, whether it is good or bad.  They are their own persons.  They like to make it on their own.  Even Nicholas Cage doesn't use Coppola. He wants his own identity, even as a nephew. 

Oh, I think I get it now - the Boys' offsprings are off topic? What a pity, I wanted to start a thread about Wilson Philips. I found a best of CD at the library and found their music pleasant but not very remarkable. Do you think their #1 records would have been #1 if the Beach Boys had done them?

[filledeplage]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/reports-kevin-love-rips-into-teammates-after-latest-loss-010914

So what?

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

While I read your post as agreeing with me, I don't get what you mean with "Kids are off limits." I didn't read anything about children in that article... I'm probably dumb. 

I think he means children or extended family of the Beach Boys. For the most part, I agree, but Kevin Love is a public figure, so I don't think its wrong to discuss him.

Technically, they are adults.  But when family enter into a high profile occupation, where there are relatives in another high profile occupation, there is a tendency to over-focus on them and hold them to a higher and unfair standard.  He isn't a kid, Kevin is a nephew.  But the same age as one of my kids, so I have another perception.  I don't think it is entirely fair for kids to be always be compared to their parents, in terms of what they do, whether it is good or bad.  They are their own persons.  They like to make it on their own.  Even Nicholas Cage doesn't use Coppola. He wants his own identity, even as a nephew. 

Oh, I think I get it now - the Boys' offsprings are off topic? What a pity, I wanted to start a thread about Wilson Philips. I found a best of CD at the library and found their music pleasant but not very remarkable. Do you think their #1 records would have been #1 if the Beach Boys had done them?

The discussion was not about professional performance. It was about a personal remark and behavior.

Wilson Phillips have a double burden/advantage...both offspring, direct decendants of major rock legends. 

[Magic Transistor Radio]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/reports-kevin-love-rips-into-teammates-after-latest-loss-010914

So what?

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

While I read your post as agreeing with me, I don't get what you mean with "Kids are off limits." I didn't read anything about children in that article... I'm probably dumb. 

I think he means children or extended family of the Beach Boys. For the most part, I agree, but Kevin Love is a public figure, so I don't think its wrong to discuss him.

Technically, they are adults.  But when family enter into a high profile occupation, where there are relatives in another high profile occupation, there is a tendency to over-focus on them and hold them to a higher and unfair standard.  He isn't a kid, Kevin is a nephew.  But the same age as one of my kids, so I have another perception.  I don't think it is entirely fair for kids to be always be compared to their parents, in terms of what they do, whether it is good or bad.  They are their own persons.  They like to make it on their own.  Even Nicholas Cage doesn't use Coppola. He wants his own identity, even as a nephew. 

Yes, I agree. Although, I don't compare him to his uncle, I am a fan of his because of his relationship. I think its cool. Just like Carnie and Wendy became celebs in their own right. If one of Carl's sons became a successful actor, I am sure we would discuss it here.

[SMiLE Brian]

Got that right, the days of Garnett, Cassell, and Sprewell are long gone.

The days? The season ... it only really held together that one time! This era has been snakebitten by injuries (so far). Fingers crossed. But hey, I was a fan at the very beginning. If I can take seasons with Tony Campbell as the go-to guy, or worse yet, deal with the JR Rider era, I figure I can enjoy the Love-as-star era with a borderline playoff team. Besides, whether he can shoot or not, I just love Rubio's game and demeanor.

For those of you who don't care about basketball in the slightest, sorry for the non-Beach Boys sidebar.

JR Rider showed so much promise in "NBA Jam"....

That one dunk contest win in 1994 was also such a tease of his wasted talent.

[the captain]

Got that right, the days of Garnett, Cassell, and Sprewell are long gone.

The days? The season ... it only really held together that one time! This era has been snakebitten by injuries (so far). Fingers crossed. But hey, I was a fan at the very beginning. If I can take seasons with Tony Campbell as the go-to guy, or worse yet, deal with the JR Rider era, I figure I can enjoy the Love-as-star era with a borderline playoff team. Besides, whether he can shoot or not, I just love Rubio's game and demeanor.

For those of you who don't care about basketball in the slightest, sorry for the non-Beach Boys sidebar.

JR Rider showed so much promise in "NBA Jam"....

That one dunk contest win in 1994 was also such a tease of his wasted talent.

(I'm just waiting for this thread to be pushed into the sandbox.)

JR Rider was unbelievably talented ... but speaking of guys with bad attitudes, OH MAN. Maybe kicking that female fan in the back at Mall of America wasn't a great decision, JR. Or getting involved in the stealing and reselling of cell phones. Just a thought...

[Jim V.]

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

What a crock of sh*t. These "kids" are most surely NOT off limits when they have chosen to be in a line of work (the NBA) which is a highly, highly public arena. Therefore, if Kevin Love is a d*ckhead, I think it's juuuuuuuust fine that we could discuss it.

[filledeplage]

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

What a crock of sh*t. These "kids" are most surely NOT off limits when they have chosen to be in a line of work (the NBA) which is a highly, highly public arena. Therefore, if Kevin Love is a d*ckhead, I think it's juuuuuuuust fine that we could discuss it.

Disagree.  Perhaps the forum for that discussion is an NBA or similar basketball/sports forum.  Maybe they can discuss Mike's role in music, there. 

Sandbox, please. 

[Jim V.]

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

What a crock of sh*t. These "kids" are most surely NOT off limits when they have chosen to be in a line of work (the NBA) which is a highly, highly public arena. Therefore, if Kevin Love is a d*ckhead, I think it's juuuuuuuust fine that we could discuss it.

Disagree.  Perhaps the forum for that discussion is an NBA or similar basketball/sports forum.  Maybe they can discuss Mike's role in music, there. 

Sandbox, please. 

Once again, if what is being said about Kevin Love on here relates to Mr. Michael Love, I think it is surely allowable. Or the fact that his father was a paid bully to Brian Wilson. Yeah, I think it's allowable.

[filledeplage]

IMHO - Kids are "off limits."

What a crock of sh*t. These "kids" are most surely NOT off limits when they have chosen to be in a line of work (the NBA) which is a highly, highly public arena. Therefore, if Kevin Love is a d*ckhead, I think it's juuuuuuuust fine that we could discuss it.

Disagree.  Perhaps the forum for that discussion is an NBA or similar basketball/sports forum.  Maybe they can discuss Mike's role in music, there. 

Sandbox, please. 

Once again, if what is being said about Kevin Love on here relates to Mr. Michael Love, I think it is surely allowable. Or the fact that his father was a paid bully to Brian Wilson. Yeah, I think it's allowable.

It is impossible to know, unless you were an eyewitness to events 40 years ago, what is fact.  I'm not going there.  And many books have proved themselves highly unreliable.  Why should any alleged events be visited upon his son?

The things I can focus on, are their collective music work, and what I see on stage.  And not the events, of which I have no knowledge.  People thought Landy was a genius.  Now the opinion has changed. 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Once again, if what is being said about Kevin Love on here relates to Mr. Michael Love, I think it is surely allowable. Or the fact that his father was a paid bully to Brian Wilson. Yeah, I think it's allowable.

Fact is, it only relates to Mike because Kevin is his nephew, and he's not directly or indirectly responsible for that: no other way whatsoever... and yes, Stan was paid to 'bully' Brian - by BRI INC. Seems some folk here are falling over themselves trying to find something, anything, to pin on Mike, just as Gregg did last month, and are winding up looking just as silly to the rest of us as he did. Blueboard's that way, dudes...

[Magic Transistor Radio]

It doesn't matter to me if it's sandbox or here. Whatever the moderators decide. I just don't understand why people comment on a topic they don't care about and complain. If I am disinterested, I don't even enter the topic.

[SMiLE Brian]

The kokomaoists want to make this place a "greyboard" for Mike Love.

[Jim V.]

Once again, if what is being said about Kevin Love on here relates to Mr. Michael Love, I think it is surely allowable. Or the fact that his father was a paid bully to Brian Wilson. Yeah, I think it's allowable.

Fact is, it only relates to Mike because Kevin is his nephew, and he's not directly or indirectly responsible for that: no other way whatsoever... and yes, Stan was paid to 'bully' Brian - by BRI INC. Seems some folk here are falling over themselves trying to find something, anything, to pin on Mike, just as Gregg did last month, and are winding up looking just as silly to the rest of us as he did. Blueboard's that way, dudes...

I have no interest in pinning anything on Mike. I was just pointing out to filledeplage that the "kids" are not off limits when they themselves are public figures. And obviously as Kevin Love's father was paid bully, I think discussing him in relation to his hot headed uncle and his bullying father makes sense. Whether it should be on this Beach Boys forum or an off-topic forum is another issue.

So yeah, none of this (to me) at least has anything to do with "pinning" anything on Mike. So chill out Andrew. Jeez, what happened? See too many unemployed Muslims today?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Let's travel this path for a while, the scenery looks nice - thus, using your logic, Mike's hot-headed, bullying and flat-out abusive uncle can be equally and similarly held responsible for his nephew's behavior. Yup, I can go with that. Thanks for enlightening me. 'Preciate it. 

[Mikie]

You guys are all forgetting Steve Love. He was no present from heaven either, and responsible for Blondie's demise.  Stan (with Rocky) went overboard, but Steve was their Manager and conducted business the way Mike wanted. Mike and the family are fair game here. To a point, but then it gets old quick.

[Cam Mott]

You guys are all forgetting Steve Love. He was no present from heaven either, and responsible for Blondie's demise.  Stan (with Rocky) went overboard, but Steve was their Manager and conducted business the way Mike wanted. Mike and the family are fair game here. To a point, but then it gets old quick.

Mikie, you think he really did? Steve was also Brian's business manager but even Mike apparently didn't want Steve as his personal business manager.

[Andrew G. Doe]

You guys are all forgetting Steve Love. He was no present from heaven either, and responsible for Blondie's demise.  Stan (with Rocky) went overboard, but Steve was their Manager and conducted business the way Mike wanted. Mike and the family are fair game here. To a point, but then it gets old quick.

From what I've heard in the past, I'd tend to doubt that: not much love lost between Mike & Steve. You only have to read the Gaines book to grasp that.

[Mikie]

Duly noted and mea culpa if I was unaware of that interpersonal relationship. Will refer to the Gaines Gossip Book for that one.

I can't help but feel, though, that Mike directed Steve to "do-in" Blondie. I mean, you know, then came Steve and Blondie's fistfight after the gum-chewing/alcohol debacle.

[SMiLE Brian]

Plus Steve called Blondie the "n-word", so it sounds like he was spoiling for a fight.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Which if it wasn't so despicable would be funny, because Blondie is one of the lightest-skinned non-white South Africans I've ever seen.

[Cam Mott]

But does Steve being a jerk make Mike a jerk? Is there some evidence of racism from Mike?

[bgas]

You guys are all forgetting Steve Love. He was no present from heaven either, and responsible for Blondie's demise.  Stan (with Rocky) went overboard, but Steve was their Manager and conducted business the way Mike wanted. Mike and the family are fair game here. To a point, but then it gets old quick.

From what I've heard in the past, I'd tend to doubt that: not much love lost between Mike & Steve. You only have to read the Gaines book to grasp that.

Going with the Gaines book; I see it thrown out, time and again,that it's mostly lies;  then, as in this case, to read it for corroboration of some fact(s). 
 So when it comes down  to it , is there some way to know what really is or isn't a load of crap on those pages? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

But does Steve being a jerk make Mike a jerk? Is there some evidence of racism from Mike?

Cameron, Cameron, Cameron... OF COURSE it does - don't you understand ? Kevin Love is an asshole solely and entirely because Mike is his uncle, just as Steve is a racist because Mike is his brother. Once you accept this simple, proven and irrefutable fact, your BB fandom will be that much easier to bear. To slightly misquote Orwell, "Brian Wilson good, Mike Love bad". The likes of Gregg and Smile Brian chant this mantra several times a day and I do believe OSD had it tattooed across his forehead, and on the inside of each eyelid, that he could read it while asleep. Understand this: Mike Love is the source of all evil, not merely in the Beach Boys, but the whole world.













Y'know, I'm impressed I kept that rampant nonsense up for as long as I did, but seriously, it does concern me that the posters mentioned really do believe what they're saying is true in every respect.  

[Andrew G. Doe]

You guys are all forgetting Steve Love. He was no present from heaven either, and responsible for Blondie's demise.  Stan (with Rocky) went overboard, but Steve was their Manager and conducted business the way Mike wanted. Mike and the family are fair game here. To a point, but then it gets old quick.

From what I've heard in the past, I'd tend to doubt that: not much love lost between Mike & Steve. You only have to read the Gaines book to grasp that.

Going with the Gaines book; I see it thrown out, time and again,that it's mostly lies;  then, as in this case, to read it for corroboration of some fact(s). 
 So when it comes down  to it , is there some way to know what really is or isn't a load of crap on those pages? 

The business and financial details, of both the band and individual members, are extremely accurate. Given the source, this is hardly surprising.

[the captain]

Hey, folks, we're talking basketball here. If you want to talk Beach Boys, bring it to the General On Topic Discussions thre-- ... oh. Never mind.