IF "Rock and Roll Music" MIC mix was released in 1976?

[doc smiley]

just putting this out there to discuss, I think this mix (with the longer take and the falsetto swoohes) would have been enough to put this song to #1 back in the day.  I remember a few friends at the time saying that they liked the song back then (original mix), but felt that it was missing something.

[bgas]

just putting this out there to discuss, I think this mix (with the longer take and the falsetto swoohes) would have been enough to put this song to #1 back in the day.  I remember a few friends at the time saying that they liked the song back then (original mix), but felt that it was missing something.

What are you going on about?

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Huh? What song are you talking about....?

[doc smiley]

IF "Rock and Roll Music" MIC mix was released in 1976?

was my header... it vanished...grrrr

[Freddie French-Pounce]

Fun Fact: The falsetto is in the original if you listen reallllllly closely.

[Mikie]

Doc Smiley, I believe you're right. After I bought that single in early June, 1976, I thought it was an abbreviated version of what was to come. Then the album was released, and again the last verse was left off of that version.  I thought, what the hell!! Then to make matters worse, that Summer there was a radio show and Carl was interviewed and talked about an oldies album and a new album. The longer "Hot" mix of Rock & Roll Music was broadcast, complete with the last verse. Then the bootlegs. Up until the release of the MIC version (which is different still than the previous '76 broadcast and bootlegged version) I've been pushing for the release on the message boards. Far and away better than the released version(s) and for the life of me can't figure out who's decision it was not to release the long version with the original third verse intact. The drums also sound great, along with the falsetto in there.

The day after I bought the R & R Music single, I asked Brian to sign it. I shoulda asked him then why it wasn't closer to the Chuck Berry original. Around that time, the single of Rock & Roll Music by the Beatles was released. I thought THAT '64 version had the edge over the Beach Boys remake with all the synths and stuff.

[alf wiedersehen]

The Beach Boys release the new mix of "Rock and Roll Music" in 1976.

America continues to ignore them.

[ben plumbrook]

Am I wrong or is the Hot mix different? I hear more wooshing in it.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Am I wrong or is the Hot mix different? I hear more wooshing in it.

Yes, it's totally different. There's all kinds of stuff going on that ain't in the 15 BO version, or at least is so heavily buried in the mix on the original that you can't hear it...

[Andrew G. Doe]

Might be me, but I think the 'hot' mix is akin to the stereo "Cottonfields" 45 mix - same multitrack, but with all the faders up.

[Freddie French-Pounce]

Might be me, but I think the 'hot' mix is akin to the stereo "Cottonfields" 45 mix - same multitrack, but with all the faders up.

Well I wanna hear a faders up mix then

[Andrew G. Doe]

Might be me, but I think the 'hot' mix is akin to the stereo "Cottonfields" 45 mix - same multitrack, but with all the faders up.

Well I wanna hear a faders up mix then

Made in California, disc 4, track 10.

[Micha]

But what is it exactly that makes the MIC mix so much better? I think it's the louder autoharp. The percussive effect gives the track way more drive. What do you other guys think?

[Disney Boy (1985)]

But what is it exactly that makes the MIC mix so much better? I think it's the louder autoharp. The percussive effect gives the track way more drive. What do you other guys think?

Agree 100%. The 15 BO version is constantly stopping and starting (and not in a good Heroes & Villains way), whereas the MIC version seems to be one big long relentless power-drive of a song.

[SloopJohnnyB]

The Beach Boys release the new mix of "Rock and Roll Music" in 1976.

America continues to ignore them.

I don't think America was ignoring them at that time. They were doing crazy-big stadium tours at that time. I was there. Crazy-big stadium tours with crazy-big crowds. The problem was the fans wanted 'Endless Summer'. They wanted to hear the hits. Yeah, the 'new' mix coulda/shoulda been #1. Maybe a Grammy award would have been considered? Great come back story.

[ash]

I cannot see anything to be positive about regarding the Beach Boys version of Rock 'n' Roll Music in any mix you suggest other than the legendary cold (all faders down) mix. It is pretty much everything i hate about the fall of this once great band in one record. Does not rock, does not roll though i concede it is music but so is Metal Machine Music and for that matter Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band both of which are more easy listening by comparison. If Brian had Jasper Dailey  record all the lead vocals on Pet Sounds it would still be a better record than this monstrosity. If there is anyone in the entire world who thinks it is better than either Chuck Berry's or The Beatles versions well there's always one who spoils it for the rest. I cannot believe i just re-listened to this crap. I swore i would never listen to it again.
What if this and in fact nothing post-Holland had been released ? Would the band be held in higher esteem than it is today ? It is a measure of just how good they were at their peak and just after,  that the awful sh** they have released over the last 37 years (with one or two notable exceptions) has not completely destroyed their reputation. Sorry i need to go and calm down.

[Freddie French-Pounce]

Might be me, but I think the 'hot' mix is akin to the stereo "Cottonfields" 45 mix - same multitrack, but with all the faders up.

Well I wanna hear a faders up mix then

Made in California, disc 4, track 10.

But you said Hot mix. The MIC mix is not the hot mix...

[bgas]

I cannot see anything to be positive about regarding the Beach Boys version of Rock 'n' Roll Music in any mix you suggest other than the legendary cold (all faders down) mix. It is pretty much everything i hate about the fall of this once great band in one record. Does not rock, does not roll though i concede it is music but so is Metal Machine Music and for that matter Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band both of which are more easy listening by comparison. If Brian had Jasper Dailey  record all the lead vocals on Pet Sounds it would still be a better record than this monstrosity. If there is anyone in the entire world who thinks it is better than either Chuck Berry's or The Beatles versions well there's always one who spoils it for the rest. I cannot believe i just re-listened to this crap. I swore i would never listen to it again.
What if this and in fact nothing post-Holland had been released ? Would the band be held in higher esteem than it is today ? It is a measure of just how good they were at their peak and just after,  that the awful sh** they have released over the last 37 years (with one or two notable exceptions) has not completely destroyed their reputation. Sorry i need to go and calm down.

Whoa!  No kidding; time for you to meditate!

[doc smiley]

having never heard the "HOT" mix from 1976 (other than a poor fm copy) I won't say that it had what it takes to be #1 , but
I feel that if the MIC mix or something very close to it had been released, it may have had the legs to reach #1 instead of the #6 that it finished on the charts with.  the starting and stopping of the released 76 version is oe good reason why..

[Mikie]

I've heard what is referred to as the "Hot mix" of Rock & Roll Music since the early 80's. It's been bootlegged since then. The new MIC version is a little different, but to my ears not dramatically different than this "Hot mix" that's been circulating for years. The MIC version is obviously the definitive mix. I think the released single and album mixes are a little different too, aren't they? Or is my memory fading?

[bgas]

I've heard what is referred to as the "Hot mix" of Rock & Roll Music since the early 80's. It's been bootlegged since then. The new MIC version is a little different, but to my ears not a dramatically different than this "Hot mix" that's been circulating for years. The MIC version is obviously the definitive mix. I think the released single and album mixes are a little different too, aren't they? Or is my memory fading?

Your memory fading?  WHO would ever accuse you of that....

[Andrew G. Doe]

Might be me, but I think the 'hot' mix is akin to the stereo "Cottonfields" 45 mix - same multitrack, but with all the faders up.

Well I wanna hear a faders up mix then

Made in California, disc 4, track 10.

But you said Hot mix. The MIC mix is not the hot mix...

"Hot mix" is a generic term for the unreleased version: the box set track has all the elements of the hot mix, just with all the faders up.

I have spoken. It is so. 

[Andrew G. Doe]

I think the released single and album mixes are a little different too, aren't they? Or is my memory fading?

Indeed they are. Single mix is on Best of the Brother Years.

[drbeachboy]

I think the released single and album mixes are a little different too, aren't they? Or is my memory fading?

Indeed they are. Single mix is on Best of the Brother Years.

...with no background vocals on the first verse.

[Mikie]

I've heard what is referred to as the "Hot mix" of Rock & Roll Music since the early 80's. It's been bootlegged since then. The new MIC version is a little different, but to my ears not a dramatically different than this "Hot mix" that's been circulating for years. The MIC version is obviously the definitive mix. I think the released single and album mixes are a little different too, aren't they? Or is my memory fading?

Your memory fading?  WHO would ever accuse you of that....

Only you, Bgas.  You're the only one that's ever accused me of that.