Why didn't Brian fire Mike?

[Lonely Summer]

If what I read on this board is true, and Mike Love is Evil Incarnate, a money grubbing bastard that never cared about the music, why didn't Brian fire him back in 1966?

[hypehat]

Because Brian wanted to inflict the evil of Mike Love upon the Earth.

[Mendota Heights]

If what I read on this board is true, and Mike Love is Evil Incarnate, a money grubbing bastard that never cared about the music, why didn't Brian fire him back in 1966?

Fire was one the SMiLE album "elements" and SMiLE was not released at the time. Brian released his own version of SMiLE in 2004.

[SMiLE Brian]

Mike didn't become evil until 1974, when he sold his soul to the devil to make Endless summer a hit.

[bluesno1fann]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

[The Shift]

Brian wanted to but Charles Manson hit him with a four by two and made him deaf in one ear and the Beach Boys didn't even play their own instruments not on the records any way.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

If Mike had never joined the Beach Boys there would be no Beach Boys which would suck, but at least the world would be spared such alleged "fans" as you lot.

[ben plumbrook]

Hard question, but short answer is because Mike gave him no reason to.

Pet Sounds and Smile wouldn't be as good without his voice, and from Smiley to Holland he did some very cool work. I could live without much of his work since Holland, but even then something like "It's OK" is great for what it is. Maybe after 1980....nah a breakup was needed period after Carl left.

[Freddie French-Pounce]

Hard question, but short answer is because Mike gave him no reason to.

Pet Sounds and Smile wouldn't be as good without his voice, and from Smiley to Holland he did some very cool work. I could live without much of his work since Holland, but even then something like "It's OK" is great for what it is. Maybe after 1980....nah a breakup was needed period after Carl left.

I can basically agree with what you've said 100%. Mike's voice on Pet Sounds is a big highlight for me - his vocals on Sloop John B. are just perfect. Going onto his early '70s stuff, songs like All I Wanna Do and Big Sur [yes, the SUPERIOR Holland version] only solidify your point further.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Hard question, but short answer is because Mike gave him no reason to.

Pet Sounds and Smile wouldn't be as good without his voice, and from Smiley to Holland he did some very cool work. I could live without much of his work since Holland, but even then something like "It's OK" is great for what it is. Maybe after 1980....nah a breakup was needed period after Carl left.

BTW, like Brian could just "fire" Mike anyhow?

[bluesno1fann]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

If Mike had never joined the Beach Boys there would be no Beach Boys which would suck

What do you mean? lol

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

If Mike had never joined the Beach Boys there would be no Beach Boys which would suck

What do you mean? lol

Are you serious???

Brian formed the Beach Boys WITH Mike, Carl, Dennis, Al, Dave due in part to a lot of prodding by both Mike and Al and after sitting for endless hours, days, months, years, harmonizing with Mike and making plans. He also had a ready formed band basically just sitting there for him when he deciced to make some effort. All the guys involvded wante to start a band and get laid and make music, not just Brian.... You don't have to be a genius or Kokomaoist to see this.... Same as if assuming there would be a Beatles if John had never met Paul or George vblah blah blah.

[bluesno1fann]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

If Mike had never joined the Beach Boys there would be no Beach Boys which would suck

What do you mean? lol

Are you serious???

Brian formed the Beach Boys WITH Mike, Carl, Dennis, Al, Dave due in part to a lot of prodding by both Mike and Al and after sitting for endless hours, days, months, years, harmonizing with Mike and making plans. He also had a ready formed band basically just sitting there for him when he deciced to make some effort. All the guys involvded wante to start a band and get laid and make music, not just Brian.... You don't have to be a genius or Kokomaoist to see this.... Same as if assuming there would be a Beatles if John had never met Paul or George vblah blah blah.

They still could have formed as Brian, Dennis, Carl, Al and David.

[alf wiedersehen]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

If Mike had never joined the Beach Boys there would be no Beach Boys which would suck

What do you mean? lol

Are you serious???

Brian formed the Beach Boys WITH Mike, Carl, Dennis, Al, Dave due in part to a lot of prodding by both Mike and Al and after sitting for endless hours, days, months, years, harmonizing with Mike and making plans. He also had a ready formed band basically just sitting there for him when he deciced to make some effort. All the guys involvded wante to start a band and get laid and make music, not just Brian.... You don't have to be a genius or Kokomaoist to see this.... Same as if assuming there would be a Beatles if John had never met Paul or George vblah blah blah.

They still could have formed as Brian, Dennis, Carl, Al and David.

Considering the fact that Mike played a huge role in actually getting the band started along with Al and Brian, I'm going to guess "No."

[bringahorseinhere?]

ummm... and also, who would have had the stamina, persona to front the band with corny banter and talk, and lead the band ontstage??

Brian??? I don't think so...... Carl???  Musically yes, but No, Al??..... not likely..... and Bruce?....... ummmm ...'let's go on down to Kokomo..whaaauwww!!'

From 62 onwards, Mikey was the only one who has been 'ON' the most out of all the members

Lucky we had Mikey and his pin cushion/uncomfortable seat yabba..


Rb

[bluesno1fann]

ummm... and also, who would have had the stamina, persona to front the band with corny banter and talk, and lead the band ontstage??

Brian??? I don't think so...... Carl???  Musically yes, but No, Al??..... not likely..... and Bruce?....... ummmm ...'let's go on down to Kokomo..whaaauwww!!'

From 62 onwards, Mikey was the only one who has been 'ON' the most out of all the members

Lucky we had Mikey and his pin cushion/uncomfortable seat yabba..


Rb

What about Dennis?

[bluesno1fann]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

If Mike had never joined the Beach Boys there would be no Beach Boys which would suck

What do you mean? lol

Are you serious???

Brian formed the Beach Boys WITH Mike, Carl, Dennis, Al, Dave due in part to a lot of prodding by both Mike and Al and after sitting for endless hours, days, months, years, harmonizing with Mike and making plans. He also had a ready formed band basically just sitting there for him when he deciced to make some effort. All the guys involvded wante to start a band and get laid and make music, not just Brian.... You don't have to be a genius or Kokomaoist to see this.... Same as if assuming there would be a Beatles if John had never met Paul or George vblah blah blah.

They still could have formed as Brian, Dennis, Carl, Al and David.

Considering the fact that Mike played a huge role in actually getting the band started along with Al and Brian, I'm going to guess "No."

I guess you and Pinder are right, realistically. But, we can always imagine...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

ummm... and also, who would have had the stamina, persona to front the band with corny banter and talk, and lead the band ontstage??

Brian??? I don't think so...... Carl???  Musically yes, but No, Al??..... not likely..... and Bruce?....... ummmm ...'let's go on down to Kokomo..whaaauwww!!'

From 62 onwards, Mikey was the only one who has been 'ON' the most out of all the members

Lucky we had Mikey and his pin cushion/uncomfortable seat yabba..


Rb

What about Dennis?

Once again: are you serious???

Who would have played drums? And, there is quite a lot of evidence to suggest Dennis was not the most natural of frontmen. He was nervous, fidgity and slouched. Sure, he could have grown into it, but there was no time for this when they were staring out.

[Robbie Mac]

The old Mike thread is still open and you guys want to go here? You're freaking nuts!

[bluesno1fann]

ummm... and also, who would have had the stamina, persona to front the band with corny banter and talk, and lead the band ontstage??

Brian??? I don't think so...... Carl???  Musically yes, but No, Al??..... not likely..... and Bruce?....... ummmm ...'let's go on down to Kokomo..whaaauwww!!'

From 62 onwards, Mikey was the only one who has been 'ON' the most out of all the members

Lucky we had Mikey and his pin cushion/uncomfortable seat yabba..


Rb

What about Dennis?

Once again: are you serious???

Who would have played drums? And, there is quite a lot of evidence to suggest Dennis was not the most natural of frontmen. He was nervous, fidgity and slouched. Sure, he could have grown into it, but there was no time for this when they were staring out.

He could have played drums at the same time, and he didn't seem too bad as a frontman. There would have been a little bit of time to fully grow into it, we can never underestimate Dennis 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

ummm... and also, who would have had the stamina, persona to front the band with corny banter and talk, and lead the band ontstage??

Brian??? I don't think so...... Carl???  Musically yes, but No, Al??..... not likely..... and Bruce?....... ummmm ...'let's go on down to Kokomo..whaaauwww!!'

From 62 onwards, Mikey was the only one who has been 'ON' the most out of all the members

Lucky we had Mikey and his pin cushion/uncomfortable seat yabba..


Rb

What about Dennis?

Once again: are you serious???

Who would have played drums? And, there is quite a lot of evidence to suggest Dennis was not the most natural of frontmen. He was nervous, fidgity and slouched. Sure, he could have grown into it, but there was no time for this when they were staring out.

He could have played drums at the same time, and he didn't seem too bad as a frontman. There would have been a little bit of time to fully grow into it, we can never underestimate Dennis 

Yes again: are you freaking serious???

The Beach Boys in 1962 with no Mike and Dennis singing from behind the drums? Laughable. We can't underestimate Dennis because he's gone (but by 1983 is was tougher to overestimate him) ..... But what do I know? Other than the fact that The Beach Boys became one of the most legendary bands WITH Mike in the band and as frontman!!!!

You guys should probably really just go stay on the bloo board and put Beautiful Dreamer on in a loop.,

[Nicko1234]

ummm... and also, who would have had the stamina, persona to front the band with corny banter and talk, and lead the band ontstage??

Brian??? I don't think so...... Carl???  Musically yes, but No, Al??..... not likely..... and Bruce?....... ummmm ...'let's go on down to Kokomo..whaaauwww!!'

From 62 onwards, Mikey was the only one who has been 'ON' the most out of all the members

Lucky we had Mikey and his pin cushion/uncomfortable seat yabba..


Rb

What about Dennis?

Once again: are you serious???

Who would have played drums? And, there is quite a lot of evidence to suggest Dennis was not the most natural of frontmen. He was nervous, fidgity and slouched. Sure, he could have grown into it, but there was no time for this when they were staring out.

He could have played drums at the same time, and he didn't seem too bad as a frontman. There would have been a little bit of time to fully grow into it, we can never underestimate Dennis 

'Keep fishin' if you feel it's true'...

[SMiLE Brian]

*sigh* This thread was meant to be satire.

[Pretty Funky]

Or better yet, what if Mike never joined the Beach Boys in the first place?
He could still write the lyrics off-stage, and Al, Carl and Dennis can easily take over Mike's vocals.
Once Brian moves on to Pet Sounds/Smile, Mike wouldn't be needed anymore. Just imagine the great work made without Mike after that!  

If Mike had never joined the Beach Boys there would be no Beach Boys which would suck

What do you mean? lol

Are you serious???

Brian formed the Beach Boys WITH Mike, Carl, Dennis, Al, Dave due in part to a lot of prodding by both Mike and Al and after sitting for endless hours, days, months, years, harmonizing with Mike and making plans. He also had a ready formed band basically just sitting there for him when he deciced to make some effort. All the guys involvded wante to start a band and get laid and make music, not just Brian.... You don't have to be a genius or Kokomaoist to see this.... Same as if assuming there would be a Beatles if John had never met Paul or George vblah blah blah.

They still could have formed as Brian, Dennis, Carl, Al and David.

Like Mike or not, a group needed a frontman to succeed and even throwing in Bruce, Blondie and Ricky, there is only one person ever who had the gene.

[bluesno1fann]

ummm... and also, who would have had the stamina, persona to front the band with corny banter and talk, and lead the band ontstage??

Brian??? I don't think so...... Carl???  Musically yes, but No, Al??..... not likely..... and Bruce?....... ummmm ...'let's go on down to Kokomo..whaaauwww!!'

From 62 onwards, Mikey was the only one who has been 'ON' the most out of all the members

Lucky we had Mikey and his pin cushion/uncomfortable seat yabba..


Rb

What about Dennis?

Once again: are you serious???

Who would have played drums? And, there is quite a lot of evidence to suggest Dennis was not the most natural of frontmen. He was nervous, fidgity and slouched. Sure, he could have grown into it, but there was no time for this when they were staring out.

He could have played drums at the same time, and he didn't seem too bad as a frontman. There would have been a little bit of time to fully grow into it, we can never underestimate Dennis 

Yes again: are you freaking serious???

The Beach Boys in 1962 with no Mike and Dennis singing from behind the drums? Laughable. We can't underestimate Dennis because he's gone (but by 1983 is was tougher to overestimate him) ..... But what do I know? Other than the fact that The Beach Boys became one of the most legendary bands WITH Mike in the band and as frontman!!!!

You guys should probably really just go stay on the bloo board and put Beautiful Dreamer on in a loop.,

I said Al, Carl and Dennis can share the Mike leads, so it's not just Dennis. Also, there has been plenty of drummers as frontman...