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« on: September 24, 2013, 04:35:22 PM »

http://www.southflorida.com/music/sf-brian-wilson-jeff-beck-hollywood-tour-092713-20130924,0,3220234.story



EDT, September 24, 2013

 

Brian Wilson doesn't remember much about visiting South Florida with the Beach Boys in the 1960s, before physical and emotional distress forced him to stop touring with the band he had formed with his brothers, Carl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love and their friend Al Jardine. One incident stands out in his mind, and while the details escape him, the story, brief as it may be, will resonate with anyone who's familiar with the Beach Boys' triumphant and tragic history, the Wilsons' rocky relationship with Love or what it's like to go anywhere with family.

"I remember it vaguely," Wilson says in a recent phone interview from his home in Beverly Hills. "Dennis and Mike had a fight when we were there. I just saw them fighting and said, 'What the hell is going on here?' "

Wilson's return to the area this week should be more harmonious. On Friday, Sept. 27, at Hard Rock Live, he'll kick off a national tour co-headlined by guitar god Jeff Beck and featuring a band that includes former Beach Boys Jardine, Blondie Chaplin and David Marks. The appearance will come nearly 16 months after Wilson performed with Love at the venue as part of the Beach Boys' 50th anniversary tour, which ended abruptly and unhappily when Love announced the tour's London shows would be the last for Wilson, Jardine and Marks. "It sort of feels like we're being fired," Wilson told the Los Angeles Times.

The new tour comes as Wilson is recording his first album of original, non-Beach Boys material since 2008. Wilson considers the as-yet-untitled album the third chapter in a story that started with the masterpiece "Pet Sounds" and its intended, troubled follow-up, "Smile," begun by the Beach Boys in 1966 and completed by Wilson in 2004.


"When we started working on this thing, he was calling it his life's suite," says Joe Thomas, a recording engineer, songwriter and producer "I'm kind of his Guy Friday" who has known Wilson for 20 years. "He looked at life as three different movements. One was 'Pet Sounds,' the other was 'Smile' and then, he wanted to go out with a bang and have a look back at life from an adult. 'Pet Sounds' was when he was just a kid. 'Smile' was when he was a little more savvy and in the business awhile. And now, this is a guy looking back at life and where he is now, which is in a much happier and less chaotic state."

The album will revisit many of Wilson's favorite themes ("summer and love affairs and stuff like that," he says) and involve several of his favorite musicians (Beck, Chaplin, Jardine, Marks and others to be named). "Some of the stuff is very mellow," he says. "You're going to like it very much."

In conversation, Wilson can be aloof and distracted, providing terse but not ungracious responses to inquiries about his life, music and health. At 71, the man who crafted "In My Room," "Girl Don't Tell Me" and "I Just Wasn't Made for These Times" has little use for small talk, if he ever did. He can also be enthusiastic, as when discussing the music of Paul McCartney and Phil Spector ("that's about my listening enjoyment"), the album of Disney songs he released in 2011 ("the Sherman brothers were really great writers") or an oldies radio station in Los Angeles ("I can't get enough of it"), on which he'll sometimes hear his songs ("it's a thrill").

"One thing about Brian that I've learned," Thomas says, "for all his perceived eccentricities, he's really the most practical guy I've ever met. His yeses are yeses and his noes are noes. He doesn't play the passive-aggressive game."

"He is really honest," adds Chaplin, who sang lead on the Beach Boys hit "Sail On, Sailor" and until this summer, hadn't seen or heard from Wilson since 1974. "He has such a quick head. You have to hang on, because he's very fast. He's got a very, very sharp mind."

The new album and tour mark the first collaboration between Wilson and Beck, another famously enigmatic rock icon best known for his 1960s bands the Yardbirds and the Jeff Beck Group, the latter of which featured Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood. In 2005, at a celebration of Wilson's career hosted by the recording-industry charity MusiCares, Beck surprised him with a tender performance of the elegiac "Surf's Up" and a rocked-out take on "Surfin' U.S.A." Even though Wilson has seldom given the electric guitar a starring role in his music, he knew immediately that he had to work with Beck.

By all accounts, their first recording session this summer was awkward, with Beck confused by Wilson's timid demeanor and Wilson too awestruck by the guitarist to speak. Told Beck had admitted to being intimidated by him, Wilson counters that the feeling was mutual.

"I was intimidated to record with him, too," he says, his voice leaping. "But we both got over it and got busy."

Thomas says he, too, was anxious that first day in the studio, though he offers that Beck and Wilson make a more natural partnership than their respective fans may believe, and describes the songs they recorded as "fusion jazz rock with Brian singing, 'oohs' and 'aahs.' "

"It was two guys who shared a lot of mutual respect for each other, a ton. They were equally as reverent and equally as nervous. We were all nervous. You're working with one legend and another one comes in, that doesn't always go well," he recalls.

"I think that Jeff was amazed that Brian wouldn't say a lot, but when he would say something, it was right on. He'd have his eyes closed, and he'd be listening, and I could see that Jeff would look over at Brian and go, 'Is he listening or is he sleeping?' And Jeff would maybe pull a string a little sharp or something, and Brian would go, 'Hey, you got a better one in you, Jeff. That one was a little sharp.' And Jeff would go, 'Well, OK, of course he's listening. This is the way he does it.' "

Thomas says Wilson has so far recorded 25 songs for the album, and the sessions will resume after the new year. With the wound of Love's "firing" of Wilson from the Beach Boys still raw, the songwriter is moving forward, and with a sense of determination he hasn't felt in years.

"He likes being in a band, and right now, it doesn't look like it's possible that he can have his band [the Beach Boys]," Thomas says. "So he has Alan, David, Jeff and Blondie Chaplin. I think he's concocting in his head, 'I want to take this opportunity to play with all these people I've never got the chance to play with before.' ... He's in a much more comfortable place in his life, where he trusts people, and he's happy."

He's also busy. Wilson recently supervised the soundtrack for "Love and Mercy," a biographical film due out next year in which he'll be played by Paul Dano and John Cusack. He's planning to release a new memoir in 2015 (he largely disavows the 1996 autobiography "Wouldn't It Be Nice"), and is already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one.

"I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll," he says. "I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy."

Brian Wilson and Jeff Beck

When: 7:30 p.m. Friday, Sept. 27

Where: Hard Rock Live, Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, 1 Seminole Way, Hollywood

Cost: $49-$84

Contact: 800-745-3000 or MyHRL.com
  

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 05:03:33 PM »

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"When we started working on this thing, he was calling it his life's suite," says Joe Thomas, a recording engineer, songwriter and producer "I'm kind of his Guy Friday" who has known Wilson for 20 years. "He looked at life as three different movements. One was 'Pet Sounds,' the other was 'Smile' and then, he wanted to go out with a bang and have a look back at life from an adult. 'Pet Sounds' was when he was just a kid. 'Smile' was when he was a little more savvy and in the business awhile. And now, this is a guy looking back at life and where he is now, which is in a much happier and less chaotic state."

This is encouraging!

And he has recorded 25 songs for this album (though obviously many won't make the final cut)!? Plus more recording after New Years? Has this happened for any other Brian Wilson release? Where he has recorded so much for one album?
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 05:05:54 PM »

Its going to odd to have the life suite with half BW solo and half BBs vocals.
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And production aside, Id so much rather hear a 14 year old David Marks shred some guitar on Chug-a-lug than hear a 51 year old Mike Love sing about bangin some chick in a swimming pool.-rab2591
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 05:09:24 PM »

Wilson considers the as-yet-untitled album the third chapter in a story that started with the masterpiece "Pet Sounds" and its intended, troubled follow-up, "Smile," begun by the Beach Boys in 1966 and completed by Wilson in 2004.

Wow, those are some pretty high expectations. I'm really looking forward to this album.

Too bad it seems like we're going to have to wait a while to get it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 05:22:17 PM »

Were gonna get the life suite maybe..? Songs like Our prayer with Beck playin the melody And those rich BB harmonies doin what they do best,, Ah this could be magical.. ! I just hope Joe Thomas adds some depth + grit to the recordings and not leave the band in background.. Like last yrs album..
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 05:23:14 PM »

I'm really looking forward to this album!
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 05:27:57 PM »

Without turning this into yet another 'fired' thread, there is a real possibility this could become one more missed opportunity for the Beach Boys, of which there have been countless. Sure, it may become a great album without the name but wouldn't it have been nice!
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 05:41:48 PM »

Without turning this into yet another 'fired' thread, there is a real possibility this could become one more missed opportunity for the Beach Boys, of which there have been countless. Sure, it may become a great album without the name but wouldn't it have been nice!

Had Mike been apart of this (and had it been labeled a Beach Boys record), guaranteed it would not be the same album that Joe Thomas has just described. It would be another TWGMTR: a compromise album with cheesy "let's take a trip back to the good days" songs that we'd all complain about.

It sucks that Mike can't just lend his vocals, some ideas to the lyrics based off Brian's vision, and maybe a sax solo if Brian's into it. I'd love to see them collaborate again, but Mike has got to lay off the nostalgia, and Brian's management (or Brian) needs to let Mike actually work with him.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 05:53:30 PM »

Not excited about another album ghostwritten and produced by Joe Thomas, which this will probably be
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 06:29:28 PM »

Not excited about another album ghostwritten and produced by Joe Thomas, which this will probably be

Joe Thomas is not talented enough to have ghostwritten the Brian songs on TWGMTR. I think that is quite plain. Now as for produced.....
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 06:30:55 PM »

"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 07:11:54 PM »

Without turning this into yet another 'fired' thread, there is a real possibility this could become one more missed opportunity for the Beach Boys, of which there have been countless. Sure, it may become a great album without the name but wouldn't it have been nice!

Had Mike been apart of this (and had it been labeled a Beach Boys record), guaranteed it would not be the same album that Joe Thomas has just described. It would be another TWGMTR: a compromise album with cheesy "let's take a trip back to the good days" songs that we'd all complain about.

It sucks that Mike can't just lend his vocals, some ideas to the lyrics based off Brian's vision, and maybe a sax solo if Brian's into it. I'd love to see them collaborate again, but Mike has got to lay off the nostalgia, and Brian's management (or Brian) needs to let Mike actually work with him.

Well of course! As the story says it is the 3rd part of what Brian sees as his life trilogy after 'Pet Sounds' and 'SMiLE', neither of which had the input of Mike that other albums had.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 07:19:55 PM »

Wow. Okay guys, they just compared this to Pet Sounds AND Smile... Holy........

I mean, Blow by Blow is incredible, hell, most of Beck's stuff is... and we know Brian... This is seriously making me VERY hopeful.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 07:23:07 PM »

"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  Roll Eyes

Sure. That's what he said after his last album was released. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that....
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 07:28:19 PM »

"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  Roll Eyes

Sure. That's what he said after his last album was released. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that....

I know he promises this a lot, but that sure does sound like that could be great, too.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 07:28:57 PM »

I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I might if someone was trying to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn.
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 07:30:45 PM »

Not excited about another album ghostwritten and produced by Joe Thomas, which this will probably be

http://notes.andrewromano.net/joethomasbeachboys

Read this interview if you're unclear what role Joe Thomas had in That's Why God Made the Radio.  Seems to me, while he did play a very large role, it was still Brian calling all the shots and the album was still very much Brian's.  And how could the songs be ghostwritten by Thomas when they are clearly credited to Thomas as a co-writer?  Brian has never been one to hide that he needs help with his music, even in the 60s, he barely ever wrote a song by himself.  He had Mike Love, Tony Asher, Roger Christian, Van Dyke Parks, and Gary Usher.  Now he has Joe Thomas.  He might not be in the same caliber of the other guys I mentioned but he's someone Brian trusts and is comfortable with so that's who he chooses to work with.  I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2013, 07:51:46 PM »

Wow. Okay guys, they just compared this to Pet Sounds AND Smile... Holy........

I mean, Blow by Blow is incredible, hell, most of Beck's stuff is... and we know Brian... This is seriously making me VERY hopeful.


Keep in mind that Al compared TWGMTR to Pet Sounds and that Bruce compared it to Sunflower. While there were moments on the album that could remind you of those two, it was obviously quite different. I don't think "Bill And Sue" sounds like anything from those two. So I wouldn't really expect this album to be the third in a trilogy.

Rather, I'd expect it to be another great collection of new Brian Wilson songs following up TWGMTR. Probably a few new things that will blow our minds, maybe a few embarrassing things, some vocals that sound positively beautiful, some vocals that sound like they maybe shoulda been redone, etc. You know, a latter day Brian Wilson album.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2013, 07:54:17 PM »

I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I might if someone was trying to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn.

Brian's rock and roll album will come out when Mike Love commercially releases a new solo album and Bruce Johnston pitches those songs he's been saving up to Nashville.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2013, 07:57:13 PM »

With the wound of Love's "firing" of Wilson from the Beach Boys still raw, the songwriter is moving forward, and with a sense of determination he hasn't felt in years.

 Roll Eyes IS this a Joe Thomas quote? or just some xtra drama thrown in by the writer of the article.... Roll Eyes

Why did the story have to be 80% bloatware and 20% useful info?

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2013, 07:59:27 PM »

Remember one thing - we haven't heard a single note from any of these sessions - and this is pre-tour/release hype(hat) in a major way.

Also - there were supposedly 28 tunes recorded for the TWGMTR sessions - and only 13 of those snuck out....
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2013, 08:18:25 PM »

They must have recorded a lot of sh*t if Beaches in Mind, The Private Life, etc. made it on
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2013, 08:32:26 PM »

They must have recorded a lot of sh*t if Beaches in Mind, The Private Life, etc. made it on

True that, however I guess it was decided by the higher-ups that 13 tracks of what we would deem 'the great stuff' such as "Think About the Days" and "Summer's Gone" "From There to Back Again" to name a few, would not have been commercial enough or great live during the C50 gigs.   
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2013, 08:44:38 PM »

And he has recorded 25 songs for this album (though obviously many won't make the final cut)!? Plus more recording after New Years? Has this happened for any other Brian Wilson release? Where he has recorded so much for one album?

That's probably slow compared to the pace he worked in the 560's but the demand was so intense back then that they just churned them out 12 at a time without letting them pile up.  Recently tho, I seriously doubt it.  From the sound if it, maybe Brian really IS back this time. Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2013, 09:08:28 PM »

Sounds like it doesn't get released until next spring.
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