The BB's 1990s bandmate power-plays

[CenturyDeprived]

I just thought it would be an interesting topic for discussion, to discuss what went down with Al Jardine leaving the band, David Marks coming back, as well as the departure of Billy Hinsche, etc...

It seems there was probably lots of politics involved. Again, when reading Jon and Ian's book, particularly highlighting Al Jardine's early 90s departure and absence from many shows (especially casino ones it seems),it just makes me wonder. Does anybody have any particular insight or stories to share?

[bringahorseinhere?]

good topic...

remember Dave came back in the mid 90's with the BB's.....but then shortly 'left'/'fired' thereafter.......

wasn't he still boozing or drugging or something which caused his leaving?.....

Rb

[Phoenix]

I thought he was sick.   

[Rocky Raccoon]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he left to get treatment for his Hepatitis C.

[Pretty Funky]

Page 226 of Jon's book. Dave's drinking was causing problems and it was suggested he find a way to sober up.

'In pure David style, he wasn't fired, and he didn't really quit, but one day he simply stopped showing up for work.'

[runnersdialzero]

Wait, I thought he left to go to dental school?

[Jay]

Has it ever been revealed exactly what happened between Al and Mike that caused some of the "problems" in the group? I don't really buy that a 20+ year feud started over a disagreement over cheerleaders. 

[Jurrasic Mark]

Yeah i believe it was due to alcohol problems that Dave left in the mid 90's. I met up with them on one of the tour dates and Dave was in great form, he is great fun to be around. From what i remember it was a few dates after the show i was at that he left/didnt turn up anymore.

[STE]

Has it ever been revealed exactly what happened between Al and Mike that caused some of the "problems" in the group? I don't really buy that a 20+ year feud started over a disagreement over cheerleaders.  

I was told from a source in the band whomI trust implicitly that Al had attitude problems in the early 90's, e.g. negativity and lack of enthusiasm that became apparent to the audience as well.  And that is, understandably, a big NO for Mike.

[Jay]

In the new book Ian and Jon wrote it says that Al was asked to not play with the group for a few shows back in 1990, I believe. The reason given is "attitude problems". No offense, but that kind of seems like a non answer. Like a "catch all" answer to a probably complicated reason that could be quite detailed. Is it something that can't be discussed openly? I guess I just kind of answered my own question...

[Jukka]

Has it ever been revealed exactly what happened between Al and Mike that caused some of the "problems" in the group? I don't really buy that a 20+ year feud started over a disagreement over cheerleaders. 

I was told from a source in the band that I trust implicitly that Al had attitude problems in the early 90's, e.g. negativity and lack of enthusiasm that became apparent to the audience as well.  And that is, understandably, a big NO for Mike.

Has that Mike Love charachter seen Brian Wilson on an off-night?

[Micha]

Has it ever been revealed exactly what happened between Al and Mike that caused some of the "problems" in the group? I don't really buy that a 20+ year feud started over a disagreement over cheerleaders. 

I was told from a source in the band that I trust implicitly that Al had attitude problems in the early 90's, e.g. negativity and lack of enthusiasm that became apparent to the audience as well.  And that is, understandably, a big NO for Mike.

Has that Mike Love charachter seen Brian Wilson on an off-night?

Brian is the center of the Beach Boys, Al isn't.

Wait, I thought he left to go to dental school?

[southbay]

In the new book Ian and Jon wrote it says that Al was asked to not play with the group for a few shows back in 1990, I believe. The reason given is "attitude problems". No offense, but that kind of seems like a non answer. Like a "catch all" answer to a probably complicated reason that could be quite detailed. Is it something that can't be discussed openly? I guess I just kind of answered my own question...

Did you see the Beach Boys between, say, 1985-1997? What did you think of their show/shtick/setlist? Now imagine seeing that every night, for about 12 years straight and not being able to effectuate any meaningful change. There's your Jardine  "attitude problems".

[SMiLE Brian]

The carlin book talks about Al being mad about the BBs never changing the setlist to avoid disrupting the cheerleaders' costume changing schedule.

[Phoenix]

The carlin book talks about Al being mad about the BBs never changing the setlist to avoid disrupting the cheerleaders' costume changing schedule.

If true, you can't blame him.  Nothing says rock & roll like theatrical quick changes.