Was David Marks an Founding Member of the Beach Boys?

[Sam_BFC]

A 9 page thread confirming once again that BBs fans are as crazy as the group themselves!!

Heck, Noel Gallagher wasn't even a founding member (or original member) of Oasis (Have we heard from AGD on this matter yet?)

That is to say, I think that there are more important factors than this to consider when assessing the significance of the contribution David made to our group.

I agree with Howie and folk like Pretty funky, Billy etc.

[Mr. Wilson]

I grew up in the same time period as when BB first came out and i did say none of us knew the pre history at that point. When you saw the pic sleeve of SS/409 and the lp"s came out it was Daid we all saw as 1st in the band.. In fall of 1963 on either 9th street west or hollywood a go go tv show Al was introduced as a new member. BW did intro for Al.. since history has shown Al was there before David a few years later..I wish i could remember when that occured.. I think BW introduced  Al that way was to keep things simple. Back then it was unusual for members to leave bands especially as big as BB. Since all 6 of these  members were around at the same time playing together in various configurations i voted David full status and Al was back in less than 1 1/2 years he gets full status.. You might call this being charitable but im cool with it..And Brian agrees with this..And please dont tell me you cant believe BW..I dont buy it.. And Brian is the one who asked David to be involved in C50..

[monicker]

As for David Marks, he comes close to being a founding member, but he's not, as he wasn't a member when Candix records changed their name from Pendletones to the Beach Boys.

Also consider this; if David Marks had never re-established contact with the band in the late 90s and been involved sporadically with various members since then, does anybody here honestly think his name and face would be flaunted on C50 material as an 'original member'? Of course he wouldn't.

I was going to ask at the beginning of this thread when someone brought up the C50 program as enough proof, if anyone honestly thinks David would be part of the 50th reunion if Carl and Dennis were still around. I think that with two members gone they just needed more faces up there to give the reunion more credibility. I only bring this up to point out the tendency to cherry pick the "evidence" that best suits one's argument.

For the record, given the complicated nature of the band's formation, i am in the camp that considers both Al and David "original" members.

[Cam Mott]

David's the founding replacement original.

[bluesno1fann]

As for David Marks, he comes close to being a founding member, but he's not, as he wasn't a member when Candix records changed their name from Pendletones to the Beach Boys.

Also consider this; if David Marks had never re-established contact with the band in the late 90s and been involved sporadically with various members since then, does anybody here honestly think his name and face would be flaunted on C50 material as an 'original member'? Of course he wouldn't.

I was going to ask at the beginning of this thread when someone brought up the C50 program as enough proof, if anyone honestly thinks David would be part of the 50th reunion if Carl and Dennis were still around. I think that with two members gone they just needed more faces up there to give the reunion more credibility. I only bring this up to point out the tendency to cherry pick the "evidence" that best suits one's argument.

For the record, given the complicated nature of the band's formation, i am in the camp that considers both Al and David "original" members.

You're right about the complicated nature. But while David Marks is not a full founding member, My vote on this poll goes to Sort-of.

[Micha]

If semantics are so important in this case let's argue that Candix and X called them "Beach Boys" not "The" Beach Boys. If that flies than David is in the original group "THE Beach Boys".

Great!

[Mike's Beard]

If semantics are so important in this case let's argue that Candix and X called them "Beach Boys" not "The" Beach Boys. If that flies than David is in the original group "THE Beach Boys".

Great!

If semantics are so important in this case then let's remember that on January 25th 1961 the band played a small gig billed as "THE Beach Boys" a full month before David Marks joined. NEXT!

[bgas]

If semantics are so important in this case let's argue that Candix and X called them "Beach Boys" not "The" Beach Boys. If that flies than David is in the original group "THE Beach Boys".

Great!

If semantics are so important in this case then let's remember that on January 25th 1961 the band played a small gig billed as "THE Beach Boys" a full month before David Marks joined. NEXT!

And MOST importantly here, the date YOU reference was NINE months before they got together with the Morgans to do any recording at all!!

[Mike's Beard]

If semantics are so important in this case let's argue that Candix and X called them "Beach Boys" not "The" Beach Boys. If that flies than David is in the original group "THE Beach Boys".

Great!

If semantics are so important in this case then let's remember that on January 25th 1961 the band played a small gig billed as "THE Beach Boys" a full month before David Marks joined. NEXT!

And MOST importantly here, the date YOU reference was NINE months before they got together with the Morgans to do any recording at all!!

Oooops, my finger slipped. I blame the laptop makers for putting the 1 key so close to the 2. Stupid f*ckers. This was clearly an accident waiting to happen.

[Mikie]

Ah Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!   Good one.    

[MBE]

If semantics are so important in this case let's argue that Candix and X called them "Beach Boys" not "The" Beach Boys. If that flies than David is in the original group "THE Beach Boys".

Great!

If semantics are so important in this case then let's remember that on January 25th 1961 the band played a small gig billed as "THE Beach Boys" a full month before David Marks joined. NEXT!

And MOST importantly here, the date YOU reference was NINE months before they got together with the Morgans to do any recording at all!!

Oooops, my finger slipped. I blame the laptop makers for putting the 1 key so close to the 2. Stupid f*ckers. This was clearly an accident waiting to happen.

If you have to have a finger slip.....funny actually. I didn't remember that the THE was used before the record, but just a joke anyhow.

[DonnyL]

It seems, all things considered, that David was basically a founding member as much as Al was ... but the group was based around the family.

[Mikie]

So what's the score on this thread so far?

Do you consider David Marks to be a founding member of the Beach Boys?

30 say yes. 14 say sorta. 9 say no.

Good to know there's some smart people on this board....

[Mike's Beard]

So what's the score on this thread so far?

Do you consider David Marks to be a founding member of the Beach Boys?

30 say yes. 14 say sorta. 9 say no.

Good to know there's some smart people on this board....

Yeah, 9 of us. 

[bgas]

So what's the score on this thread so far?

Do you consider David Marks to be a founding member of the Beach Boys?

30 say yes. 14 say sorta. 9 say no.

Good to know there's some smart people on this board....

Yeah, 9 of us. 

9 Deluded lost souls in search of redemption

[Cam Mott]

Are we talking about the recording BBs, the touring BBs, or the name BBs?

[bluesno1fann]

Are we talking about the recording BBs, the touring BBs, or the name BBs?

I'd say the name, although judging by everyone's opinions, I guess all of them counts

So what's the score on this thread so far?

Do you consider David Marks to be a founding member of the Beach Boys?

30 say yes. 14 say sorta. 9 say no.

Good to know there's some smart people on this board....

Yeah, 9 of us. 

9 Deluded lost souls in search of redemption

Funniest comment I've seen in a long time 

[Mike's Beard]

Are we talking about the recording BBs, the touring BBs, or the name BBs?

None of the above. Apparently we are talking about the first time young Marks sneaked a look into the family music room while Brian was working on something and thus, history was made.

[Cam Mott]

Are we talking about the recording BBs, the touring BBs, or the name BBs?

None of the above. Apparently we are talking about the first time young Marks sneaked a look into the family music room while Brian was working on something and thus, history was made.

 

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Now its time to decide weather John Stamos is an original member. Go!

[pixletwin]

Now its time to decide weather John Stamos is an original member. Go!

Of FUll House? Totally! 

[startBBtoday]

Now its time to decide weather John Stamos is an original member. Go!

Of FUll House? Totally! 

But was Bob Saget?? Or John Posey??

[Mikie]

So what's the score now?

Yes  32 (56.1%)
No  11 (19.3%)
Sort-Of  14 (24.6%)

[bluesno1fann]

Now its time to decide weather John Stamos is an original member. Go!

Considering that he wasn't even born yet when the Beach Boys were formed in 1961, I think the answer is quite obvious.

Besides, he was never an official member anyway. Just another sideman who happened to be a star in his own right, like Glen Campbell

[Mr. Wilson]

Im a genius to Brian !!  How about   Murry Wilson original member !!