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« on: August 27, 2013, 05:04:33 PM »

I thought of Dennis Wilson today and something does not add up.  Why did Dennis Drown?    He had a boat and a yacht so one day he decides to jump from a friends boat to get lost items he had dumped into the ocean then after lunch he goes back down in the ocean then drowns.  To me that does not add up!
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013, 05:18:19 PM »

The man had been drinking.   Perhaps you should look up the effects of alcohol in the body?  Maybe then it will add up?
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2013, 05:22:21 PM »

Read "Dennis Wilson - The Real Beach Boy" by Jon Stebbins. Or "Dumb Angel - The Life and Music of Dennis Wilson" by Adam Webb. There are also other books on the Beach Boys that will give you answers to your questions.

Que Jon - are you shooting to get the "Real Beach Boy" update out this year or maybe next?
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 05:22:46 PM »

He had a lot to drink and apparently ended up banging his head on the boat on his way up. Adds up just well to me.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 05:23:35 PM »

Accidental death happens.

Booze increases the odds especially when you are diving in the ocean.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 05:24:27 PM »

Read "Dennis Wilson - The Real Beach Boy" by Jon Stebbins. Or "Dumb Angel - The Life and Music of Dennis Wilson" by Adam Webb. There are also other books on the Beach Boys that will give you answers to your questions.

Que Jon - are you shooting to get the "Real Beach Boy" update out this year or maybe next?
Later this year is the plan. Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 12:18:18 AM »

Christmas 1983, DW was in a bad, bad, bad place, literally bouncing off the bottom: no money, no home, no band, in real bad shape and self-medicating enough to kill five normal people. There are those, and I'm amongst them, who believe that down there on 12/28/83, he finally decided to let go. Maybe not consciously, but I think he did. The pain, physical and psychic, had to end somehow.

When it's out, get Jon's book.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 12:22:48 AM »

What chokes me up every time I think of it is the description of how he was found curled up in the foetal position as if asleep peacefully. Very unlike most drownings. As if he realised what was happening and gave himself up to it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 01:01:19 AM »

That's the part that gets me, too. I find it so sad to think that by 1983 Dennis was a "lost cause". Did he really not believe in himself enough to attempt a serious rehab? What if extreme measures were taken, and he was taken to a psych ward and held involuntarily?

Had Dennis been fired "for good" by then? Or would he have been allowed to participate in the upcoming 1984 tour?
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2013, 01:58:55 AM »

Christmas 1983, DW was in a bad, bad, bad place, literally bouncing off the bottom: no money, no home, no band, in real bad shape and self-medicating enough to kill five normal people. There are those, and I'm amongst them, who believe that down there on 12/28/83, he finally decided to let go. Maybe not consciously, but I think he did. The pain, physical and psychic, had to end somehow.

When it's out, get Jon's book.

Read this, then listen to WIBNTLA. I challenge anyone not to get teary.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 02:41:07 AM »

Hal Blaine was there at the marina that day and the new In Concert book mentions how he heard a report that Dennis hit his head on a concrete float. Of course Dennis could have just made a quick decision that he had no more fight left.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 02:47:27 AM »

The reported body position - curled up on the marina floor - tends to argue against that: unconscious people don't curl themselves up. I think he just opted for some peace. God knows he deserved it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 02:49:11 AM »

I find it hard to think about.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 03:00:19 AM »

The reported body position - curled up on the marina floor - tends to argue against that: unconscious people don't curl themselves up. I think he just opted for some peace. God knows he deserved it.

Good point, it is an odd position.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2013, 04:46:50 AM »

Here's something else to consider - from childhood, Dennis had substantial sleeping problems: during his last night on Emerald Crystal McGovern reported that he tried to sleep but couldn't. Possibly... he just saw a way to get a good, long rest.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2013, 04:57:42 AM »

Wish I wasn't a complete atheist, as it'd be nice to think of Dennis looking down finally seeing his music getting the recognition it always deserved. Alas, this isn't the case. It's all just a very, very sad and tragic story. Still, we do have his incredible music...
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 05:05:51 AM »

Wish I wasn't a complete atheist, as it'd be nice to think of Dennis looking down finally seeing his music getting the recognition it always deserved.

I don't see a contradiction there. There could be souls even if there was no god.

I too wish Dennis would have been saved from destroying himself, foetal position or not.
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 05:35:32 AM »

Wish I wasn't a complete atheist, as it'd be nice to think of Dennis looking down finally seeing his music getting the recognition it always deserved.

I don't see a contradiction there. There could be souls even if there was no god.

I too wish Dennis would have been saved from destroying himself, foetal position or not.

True, an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a particular deity. It does seem to have become the blanket term for people who don't believe in any supernatural forces.

I prefer the terms 'clued up', 'sensible' or 'non-idiot'.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 06:30:13 AM »

The theory that he banged his head is tenuous at best. Yes he had contusions on his head, but he'd been in a horrible fist fight the day before...so he had contusions all over. No definite conclusion was reached regarding that head bump, its just a theory..as is hypothermia, as is loss of will to live. Take your pick. Drowning is the only official cause.
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 07:21:07 AM »

Wish I wasn't a complete atheist, as it'd be nice to think of Dennis looking down finally seeing his music getting the recognition it always deserved.

I don't see a contradiction there. There could be souls even if there was no god.

I too wish Dennis would have been saved from destroying himself, foetal position or not.

True, an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a particular deity. It does seem to have become the blanket term for people who don't believe in any supernatural forces.

I prefer the terms 'clued up', 'sensible' or 'non-idiot'.

Ok, I'll rephrase my original post:

Wish I wasn't so clued-up, sensible and clever, as it'd be nice to think of Dennis looking down finally seeing his music getting the recognition it always deserved. Alas, this isn't the case. It's all just a very, very sad and tragic story. Still, we do have his incredible music...
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2013, 08:01:38 AM »

At Brian's sound check here in Pittsburgh Al made the comment that Dennis was "with us here". I believe that was true. He was there with Carl watching their brother Brian and friends David and Al. Some believe in the after life and others don't. Believe what you will. It was a very sincere comment made by Al.

I still wonder why Carl or anyone else for that matter didn't step in to 'save' Dennis. They had to have known what was going on. How many times did they forgive him and take him back? Probably many times.  I know they couldn't force him to be institutionalized unless he was a threat to himself or others. Being addicted doesn't get you into rehab unless there is some sort of threat. I'm sure they loved Dennis but there was only so much they could do. I agree with Howard Jones: No one is to blame.

Those that know an addicted friend or family member know how hard it is in getting that person to stop. Sometimes being a good friend or brother isn't enough. It's a good start, though. I'm sure they were there for him. Then there is the 'tough love' approuch where you have to tell that preson 'no'. No more money if it's going to go for drugs and booze. Sad situation for all.

I still remember reading the Rolling Stone magazine review for Pacific Ocean Blue. Great review. I think thats how I found out about the album. Went out and bought it soon after. Still one of my favorites. Does anyone know if that review is available on line? Does anyone know the month and year from Rolling Stone magazine? It would be nice to read that again.

I'm glad the surviving Beach Boys all signed off on the release of Dennis's songs on MiC. Those songs alone make the set worth purchasing.



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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2013, 08:58:01 AM »

Surprised not to see anyone mention the BBC4 documentary we did on Dennis  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClBfaGPD0mI  I remain proud of the job we all did on it.
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2013, 09:06:22 AM »

I have it recorded Ed. Fantastic documentary. I've watched it several times.  I judge a Beach Boys doc by how much a seasoned old pro like me learns from it, and there was a lot of new information and point of view on it. Great job Ed, thanks!
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2013, 09:11:26 AM »

Wish I wasn't a complete atheist, as it'd be nice to think of Dennis looking down finally seeing his music getting the recognition it always deserved.

I don't see a contradiction there. There could be souls even if there was no god.

I too wish Dennis would have been saved from destroying himself, foetal position or not.

True, an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a particular deity. It does seem to have become the blanket term for people who don't believe in any supernatural forces.

I prefer the terms 'clued up', 'sensible' or 'non-idiot'.

OT: I think you can be atheist or not believe in supernatural forces and still be an idiot. I know all of those designations can be applied to me, frequently. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2013, 09:18:18 AM »

Hi, Ed! Fantastic documentary on Dennis!  It always brings a smile and a tear. Had to download it from the Japan YouTube site or someplace. I would glady purchase it here in U.S. Any chance for a DVD release?

David Marks did a great job as did everyone else who was interviewed. You all made Dennis proud I'm sure. As sad as the ending is I like to remember Dennis as living life to the fullest. He enjoyed himself for the most part don't you think?

I think 'Rainbows' is my favorite POB track. Happier times I think.

Dennis Wilson The Real Beach Boy is essential viewing for a Beach Boy fan. Well done! Let's get that DVD release!

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