Bit fed up of Mike Love topics?

[Shady]

youre a joke

Mike?

[drbeachboy]

Let's all speculate about the issues Mike encountered with Brian's wifeandmanagers during the C50 Tour that made him have to fire Brian, Al and David from The Beach Boys.

[runnersdialzero]

youre a joke

but i luv u

[runnersdialzero]

anyone else notice MIC looks and sounds a lot like "mike"? wonder who came up with THAT subliminal bit of genius? typical ego-centic mike love, tho

[Shady]

Let's all speculate about the issues Mike encountered with Brian's wifeandmanagers during the C50 Tour that made him have to fire Brian, Al and David from The Beach Boys.

Mike hit on Melinda after a bit too much wine. Jeff told Brian, Brian didn't care.

[Gertie J.]

youre a joke

Mike?

as far as i know, mike doesn't post on here. so no, i was addressing runnerz.

[runnersdialzero]

gertie, r u mad ;(

[Gertie J.]

nope.

[Shady]

youre a joke

Mike?

as far as i know, mike doesn't post on here. so no, i was addressing runnerz.

I know you were addressing runners, you'd never talk to me like that.

[Bicyclerider]

Mike is the most polarizing and controversial member of the beach boys, so it makes perfect sense there would be a proportionately higher number of threads about him.  Any BB board worth anything will have its Mike bashers and mike apologists.  Battle on!

[Gertie J.]

youre a joke

Mike?

as far as i know, mike doesn't post on here. so no, i was addressing runnerz.

I know you were addressing runners, you'd never talk to me like that.

true dat. 

[runnersdialzero]

gertie. wat's wrong

[drbeachboy]

Mike is the most polarizing and controversial member of the beach boys, so it makes perfect sense there would be a proportionately higher number of threads about him.  Any BB board worth anything will have its Mike bashers and mike apologists.  Battle on!

No, just a certain percentage of the population today that cannot get on with life without having to know all the dirt on high profile personalities. It's a terrible human trait, but I suppose cannot be helped. I don't mind reading about the good and the bad of it all, as long as it is factual. Not always the case on this board, though.

[Mikie]

I apologize for Bicyclerider being a polarizing member of the board.

[alf wiedersehen]

Whether you like him or hate him, we all have Mike to thank for the lovely MiC, according to AGD.

Thanks, Mike, for this wonderful box set!

Many a true word spoken in jest... 

[Doo Dah]

Mike is the most polarizing and controversial member of the beach boys, so it makes perfect sense there would be a proportionately higher number of threads about him.  Any BB board worth anything will have its Mike bashers and mike apologists.  Battle on!

Yup. Nature abhors a vacuum, so as long as the issue gets brought up in the press, it's fair game. Having said that, endeavor to bring something fresh and thought provoking to the conversation. Such as Mike's recent interview on the 'Celebrate the News' thread. It's all food for thought.

Now all we need is for Bruce to down too many Pacifico's and carp about Obama. That'll crank up the publicity machine!

[MBE]

I would like to see the Mike threads take a breather.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

I'm a bit fed up of members who apparently have so much time on their hands that they resurrect long-dead threads, post a fucking period in the thread, and clutter up the forum as a result.

You're all on notice. I deleted all of the unnecessary period posts - if this happens again, that member will be banned permanently. It's one thing to post funny stuff in a thread but quite another to clutter up the board for no logical reason.

We got a baby sitter for the first time in months. We went out, I had a few drinks, and...........it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Though it wasn't illogical, it was to prove there are too many Mike threads all saying the same thing. Cold light of day though, probably annoying so I'm sorry.

But Jason, really? A permanent ban for resurrecting a few threads to prove a point, when the murdered children pictures wanker still posts freely on here.

Funniest thing I've read for ages 

[El Molé]

It seems to me that the debate has become so polarised that some posters can't or won't acknowledge any middle ground where Mike Love is concerned. After years of open and significant Mike-bashing from lots of people here and elsewhere, I think some people have set themselves up (which good intention) to give the opposing argument as an antidote to the perceived one-sidedness of the argument/discussion. But that seems to have further polarised things and pushed the discussion to extremes. There are people who find fault with anything and everything Mike does, but also people who will barely acknowledge that he's ever done anything wrong. There are times when I can barely see how someone has reach their particular conclusion because it seems so unrelated to any of the information we have as fans. Whilst things are so polarised I think the debate could just go round and round indefinitely, because so many posts seem one-sided or unreasonable, which just agitates people into responding.

If people aren't willing to see both sides and accept that Mike is both good and bad to some extent or other, then it might be better to completely abandon the subject (which seems a pretty impossible task given the subject of this board). No-one in the Beach Boys story is simply a hero or a villain, they are all both to some extent - Mike included.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

People aren't willing to see both sides and accept that Mike is both good and bad to some extent or other

Absolutely

There have been little lost voices (mine included), trying to say this for months. They get ignored. This leads me to believe people actually want and enjoy rehashing the same arguments over and over.

To quote Judd,  "sigh"

[Micha]

Mike is the most polarizing and controversial member of the beach boys

Controversial yes, but polarizing I don't know. I doubt there's people here that are as pro-Mike as the anti-Mike people are anti-Mike. I only defend Mike if the basher's view is IMO too one-dimensional. I'm neither pro-Mike nor anti-Mike nor anti-Brian. There's things about both of them that I appreciate and others that I'm not so fond of.

but also people who will barely acknowledge that he's ever done anything wrong.

OK, hands up, who thinks Mike's never done anything wrong? I don't think so.

[drbeachboy]

Mike's done wrong on many occasions, as has Brian. The difference being that Mike's gets bashed every single time, while Brian gets a pass because well, he's Brian. This is what I don't like that goes on in here. Taking a more objective view of both would cut down on a lot of arguing and create better a dialogue when these issues are discussed.

[Cam Mott]

I think I've already said this in another thread but actually the consensus opinions and feelings about the Boys and in particular Mike have moved a long way in the past couple of decades. The Mike threads today are down right civil compared to threads in the past. Balance takes more work when the start is so much imbalance but balance has happened and is still happening and it all is not for nothing. Jmho.

[El Molé]

Mike's done wrong on many occasions, as has Brian. The difference being that Mike's gets bashed every single time, while Brian gets a pass because well, he's Brian. This is what I don't like that goes on in here. Taking a more objective view of both would cut down on a lot of arguing and create better a dialogue when these issues are discussed.

I totally agree with your final sentence and the whole post to a large extent. The only thing I'd add is that saying Brian gets a pass because "he's Brian" might be a bit simplistic. I give him a bit more leeway with some things because he suffers with mental illness and has done for most or all of his life. I don't think it's unreasonable to give him a pass on some issues because analysing (or sometimes judging) a persons behaviour and intentions is a lot more difficult and complicated where they're suffering with mental illness. That doesn't mean that Brian should always be excused for every 'wrong' or that Mike doesn't have his own issues that could mitigate or contextualise his own 'wrongs', but I think it explains part of the reason why Brian gets more sympathy and leeway in discussions. I suspect it goes too far at times and maybe some people give Brian a pass because they prefer his music/abilities/image to Mike's and he's got that quirky innocence and awkwardness that leaves people expecting and accepting unusual, odd or 'off' behaviour. Mike seems a bit too normal to be excused behaviour we might not agree with.

Mike is the most polarizing and controversial member of the beach boys

Controversial yes, but polarizing I don't know. I doubt there's people here that are as pro-Mike as the anti-Mike people are anti-Mike. I only defend Mike if the basher's view is IMO too one-dimensional. I'm neither pro-Mike nor anti-Mike nor anti-Brian. There's things about both of them that I appreciate and others that I'm not so fond of.

but also people who will barely acknowledge that he's ever done anything wrong.

OK, hands up, who thinks Mike's never done anything wrong? I don't think so.

I'm not suggesting anyone actually thinks that, but that's how I read some posts on the subject. I tried but probably failed to explain that I think it's because they feel the need to solely fight Mike's corner in what they see as a very unbalance debate (emphasising others negative actions and failures whilst not mentioning or admitting that Mike might have played some negative role too). I think that just leads to less balanced posts.

I think I've already said this in another thread but actually the consensus opinions and feelings about the Boys and in particular Mike have moved a long way in the past couple of decades. The Mike threads today are down right civil compared to threads in the past. Balance takes more work when the start is so much imbalance but balance has happened and is still happening and it all is not for nothing. Jmho.

As mostly an observer, I definitely agree things have improved significantly over the years and that there's far more balance than there was. I think the C50 ending stuff has set this back a bit, but it's still better than it used to be. There's much more acknowledgement for Mike's contributions than there used to be and I think he gets a much fairer ride than he used to and the majority of people are (I think) reasonable and objective about Mike now.

[drbeachboy]

The funny thing with Brian lately, is that you really don't hear much debatable type stuff actually coming out his mouth. Most of it is written, and of course the next question is, by whom? Mike on the other hand, while he has written responses, often verbally states his stance and opinions on topics. He is much more visible, and this I suppose sets him up to be looked at more harshly, at times.