I think I can understand why Brian might not wanna write much with Mike...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

There are quite a few instances in which mYke luHv eclipsed Paul:

He had more wives
He had more rings
He does the "chicken" dance
He wore a turban
He lost his hair ALOT quicker than Paul
He sued his writing partner twice
He tells jokes that are far cornier that Paul's
He looks more like Clarabell than Paul does
He has way more hats than Paul does
He talks on stage about important sh*t than Paul does.
And HE doesn't have to play any of those silly instruments that Paul does.
 

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Kurt Cobain also after Nevermind blew up, took legal action to have Krist/Dave removed  from any writing credits they'd previously held..... But Mike's the biggest asshole in the world because he compares himself in whatever way to Sir Paul?? Big deal.

[oldsurferdude]

There are quite a few instances in which mYke luHv eclipsed Paul:

He had more wives
He had more rings
He does the "chicken" dance
He wore a turban
He lost his hair ALOT quicker than Paul
He sued his writing partner twice
He tells jokes that are far cornier that Paul's
He looks more like Clarabell than Paul does
He has way more hats than Paul does
He talks on stage about important sh*t than Paul does.
And HE doesn't have to play any of those silly instruments that Paul does.
 

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Kurt Cobain also after Nevermind blew up, took legal action to have Krist/Dave removed  from any writing credits they'd previously held..... But Mike's the biggest asshole in the world because he compares himself in whatever way to Sir Paul?? Big deal.

Just sayin'

[alf wiedersehen]

Mike probably has a low self esteem because he's always made out to be a worthless villain.

[Jim V.]

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Nope, never happened. He did switch the credit on Wings Over America and Back in the US though. But no, he never sued. He sued to get out of Apple though, but that was because Allen Klein dicked them over but Paul was the only one to see it.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

No.  He got some criticism for doing that on his live album "Back in the US," some of it from Yoko Ono but it was never a legal issue.  Changing the order of names in writing credits doesn't change how much credit a person gets.  Though later on, Paul admitted that the credit "Lennon-McCartney" should remain the way it is and that it's become a trademark of sorts.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Nope, never happened. He did switch the credit on Wings Over America and Back in the US though. But no, he never sued. He sued to get out of Apple though, but that was because Allen Klein dicked them over but Paul was the only one to see it.

Well, he did say Ringo's always looking for a handout and he apparently pinned down Denny Laine backstage once and held a knife to his throat.

[Jay]

Was that Paul or Allen Klein? Somehow I can't see him holding a knife to anybody. The Ringo comment sounds like something Paul might say. In his defense, Ringo did do a pretty good job of drinking and snorting his money away in the mid 1980's.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Was that Paul or Allen Klein? Somehow I can't see him holding a knife to anybody. The Ringo comment sounds like something Paul might say. In his defense, Ringo did do a pretty good job of drinking and snorting his money away in the mid 1980's.

You would too if you were hanging around Keith Moon and Harry Nilsson!!!!!!!!

[Jim V.]

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Nope, never happened. He did switch the credit on Wings Over America and Back in the US though. But no, he never sued. He sued to get out of Apple though, but that was because Allen Klein dicked them over but Paul was the only one to see it.

Well, he did say Ringo's always looking for a handout and he apparently pinned down Denny Laine backstage once and held a knife to his throat.

I'm nearly positive there has never been a story about Paul ever holding a knife to anybody's throat. I've heard stuff about Jimmy McCullough, member of Wings, who refused to go back onstage for an encore. And I think Paul admitted maybe giving him a punch. But a knife? Very doubtful. A claim like that would definitely warrant a source.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Nope, never happened. He did switch the credit on Wings Over America and Back in the US though. But no, he never sued. He sued to get out of Apple though, but that was because Allen Klein dicked them over but Paul was the only one to see it.

Well, he did say Ringo's always looking for a handout and he apparently pinned down Denny Laine backstage once and held a knife to his throat.

I'm nearly positive there has never been a story about Paul ever holding a knife to anybody's throat. I've heard stuff about Jimmy McCullough, member of Wings, who refused to go back onstage for an encore. And I think Paul admitted maybe giving him a punch. But a knife? Very doubtful. A claim like that would definitely warrant a source.

Yeah, I think it was Jimmy McCullough. I'll dig for the source.

I'll I'm saying is it's a bit hypocritical to bash Mike for any/every little thing to the point of white hot hatred while accepting every sort of behavior from other rock stars.

[Rocky Raccoon]

[Well, he did say Ringo's always looking for a handout and he apparently pinned down Denny Laine backstage once and held a knife to his throat.

To those asking questions, I'm pretty sure Pinder was joking.  Neither of these things ever happened.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

How about when his band was just about to start it's set and his Mellotron fell over and it's tapes went spilling everywhere?

Oh, wait! ..... That was me 

[Jay]

All of the Mike haters really need to read a Beatles book called You Never Give Me Your Money. It focuses on the last year or two that they were together and up to the present day. It goes into a lot of detail of the various lawsuits and all of the fighting  that went on between each member of the group after the break up. It goes into all of the petty "he said-she said" bullshit, and all of the combinations of who went up against who, etc. Mike Love has nothing on what these guys did to each other! As a Beatles fan, I actually found it quite depressing and downright disgusting to learn about the lengths they went to hate each other.

[Cabinessenceking]

[
Mike is comparable to Sir Paul in that he is the other top power (like it or not) in his own band and is the most hated by fans of his band, just like Paul.

Paul and John's personalities were too different from the Beach Boys to compare them. Far, far more outgoing and confident in themselves (perhaps why America fell in love with it since confidence appears to be valued far more in American society than in Britain imo).

Brian was very bashful and didn't have the persona for his success as Paul and John did. Mike however had all of it, yet little of the talent which could justify it.

[Cabinessenceking]

There are quite a few instances in which mYke luHv eclipsed Paul:

He had more wives
He had more rings
He does the "chicken" dance
He wore a turban
He lost his hair ALOT quicker than Paul
He sued his writing partner twice
He tells jokes that are far cornier that Paul's
He looks more like Clarabell than Paul does
He has way more hats than Paul does
He talks on stage about important sh*t than Paul does.
And HE doesn't have to play any of those silly instruments that Paul does.
 

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Kurt Cobain also after Nevermind blew up, took legal action to have Krist/Dave removed  from any writing credits they'd previously held..... But Mike's the biggest asshole in the world because he compares himself in whatever way to Sir Paul?? Big deal.

This is correct, but I don't see how defending Mike should involve bashing Macca? From what I hear Macca was difficult dude to deal with at times and the final conflict that broke up The Beatles was mainly on him from what I gather.

Does not justify why Mike is asshole.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

There are quite a few instances in which mYke luHv eclipsed Paul:

He had more wives
He had more rings
He does the "chicken" dance
He wore a turban
He lost his hair ALOT quicker than Paul
He sued his writing partner twice
He tells jokes that are far cornier that Paul's
He looks more like Clarabell than Paul does
He has way more hats than Paul does
He talks on stage about important sh*t than Paul does.
And HE doesn't have to play any of those silly instruments that Paul does.
 

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Kurt Cobain also after Nevermind blew up, took legal action to have Krist/Dave removed  from any writing credits they'd previously held..... But Mike's the biggest asshole in the world because he compares himself in whatever way to Sir Paul?? Big deal.

This is correct, but I don't see how defending Mike should involve bashing Macca? From what I hear Macca was difficult dude to deal with at times and the final conflict that broke up The Beatles was mainly on him from what I gather.

Does not justify why Mike is asshole.

No one's bashing Paul. I love Paul but he's a human being just like anyone else.

He's only being brought up because of the sheer outrage and violent anger Mike's generated by making some piddling comparison, and the only point I'm trying to make is that all the things that supposedly make Mike such a massive asshole are hardly unique (or even very noteworthy) when talking about rock n roll and rock stars.... I love how it's an issue people basically avoid. All they can do is toss more insults at Mike.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

All of the Mike haters

The single most irritating word on this board. A convenient way to lump all those who disagree with you into a mindless group, whilst single-handedly making any valid arguments they may have appear vapid and unreasonable.

Mods, can we arrange for those who use this word to be publically flogged or something? It really is most annoying

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

All of the Mike haters

The single most irritating word on this board. A convenient way to lump all those who disagree with you into a mindless group, whilst single-handedly making any valid arguments they may have appear vapid and unreasonable.

Mods, can we arrange for those who use this word to be publically flogged or something? It really is most annoying

Laughable.

Problem is, the Mike haters seem to think their opinion of the man is some accepted fact that cannot be challenged, and any/all attempts to reason with this opinion is met with nothing but more insults and anger .... I don't know why it can't be understood that some fans really like the guy and his work. Even the stuff you think is beyond content. I you accepted this fact, there would be little motivation to slam the guy left and right because you'd understand and accept that some people feel about him the way you do about your (our) precious Brian.... I've tried other words to describe Mike dislike, but when it always boils down to very ugly drivel about the guy, there's no other term that will do than Mike haters.... And no moderators are going to police language unless it's profanity! If you want to try and make the words "Mike" and "Love" used concurrent of each other tantamount to profanity:  go for it.

By the way: I'm sure there are other message boards for those with flogging fetishes.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Problem is, the Mike haters seem to think their opinion of the man is some accepted fact that cannot be challenged, and any/all attempts to reason with this opinion is met with nothing but more insults and anger ....

Funny thing is, that's how the "Mike lovers" come across to those of a contrary opinion. Strange eh?

Personally though, I take the middle ground.

He's a d*ckhead, but he's our d*ckhead

[Jay]

All of the Mike haters

The single most irritating word on this board. A convenient way to lump all those who disagree with you into a mindless group, whilst single-handedly making any valid arguments they may have appear vapid and unreasonable.

Mods, can we arrange for those who use this word to be publically flogged or something? It really is most annoying

It wasn't meant as an insult to anybody in particular here. It was just an easy way to refer to some Beach Boys "fans" who, well, truly hate the man. There are certain people who take their dislike of Mike way to far. Like oldsurferdude. That kind of "dislike"(I guess I can't say hate, huh?) of a person is unhealthy. The phrase "Mike haters" wasn't meant for you, Pinder, or anybody else taking part in this thread at the moment. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.

[Nicko1234]

I still think its bizarre that on a Beach Boys board it should still be considered noteworthy if people have positive things to say about all of the band members.

That was shown a few days ago where a few people saying they quite like Goin to the Beach led to one poster claiming that this was evidence that Pet Sounds will be forgotten in a few years. That sort of irrational dislike for the Lovester is just odd.

[Cam Mott]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

OK, is all of that what Mike claimed was their similarity? It still leaves a legitimate no stretch comparison between them. Mike and Brian's successful  co-authorships far out distance any other Brian co-authorship by multiples. Success being defined by the standard used by the industry measured by sales and chart position. You were accusing me of denial earlier right? Or did I remember that wrong?

So let me get this straight then I'll leave it alone...."Wilson/Love" is equal to "Lennon/McCartney"? Really?

Not equal to, but superior to

Where is this quote?

[2 and a half]

Good points, but didn't Paul take legal action so that certain songs now read "McCartney/Lennon"?

Nope, never happened. He did switch the credit on Wings Over America and Back in the US though. But no, he never sued. He sued to get out of Apple though, but that was because Allen Klein dicked them over but Paul was the only one to see it.

Well, he did say Ringo's always looking for a handout and he apparently pinned down Denny Laine backstage once and held a knife to his throat.

He has people who do that sort of thing for him

[TMinthePM]

Wow! 5 more pages of the same old junk. Didn't we just do twenty-some-odd pages of this BS last month?

[smilethebeachboysloveyou]

He sued his writing partner twice

By my count, he sued Brian Wilson three times.  One was 100% legitimate, one was 95% legitimate, and the third was 0% legitimate.