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« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2013, 10:15:54 PM »

They did as per their mutual agreement at Brian's insistence and ended the tour after 70 some dates to return their previous arrangement.

Well said, with all the warmth and understanding of Old Man Potter's Savings and Loan. Azn

Of course we're kickin' ole Bessy. The problem here (and the rationale behind the thread) is that this tired old display will continue to resurrect itself whenever Joe McReporter interviews Al or whomever when Brian's band comes to play their town.

I still kind of admire Al for his blunt approach - an approach which in someway is probably an approach of last resort. C'est la vie.
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« Reply #76 on: July 19, 2013, 05:12:37 AM »


Because they actually didn't agree at all?

They obviously did at one point...

They did as per their mutual agreement at Brian's insistence and ended the tour after 70 some dates to return their previous arrangement.

I don't believe for a second it was all Brian's decision. I think it was more Mike, but I can think of plausible reasons Mike may have had to end the reunion.
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« Reply #77 on: July 19, 2013, 06:37:08 AM »

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Asking any of the Beach Boys about slowing down is futile; the phrase “retirement plans” simply doesn’t seem to exist for them.

“You don’t retire what you love doing,” Al Jardine told me when we spoke in April 2012, just before the reunited Beach Boys launched into a whirlwind 50th anniversary tour. Beyond reuniting to hit the road, the  And Jardine’s long-coming solo effort “A Postcard From California,” also was released.

Brian Wilson David Marks and Al Jardine 2013 tour datesNow, with the 50th reunion tour in the history books — as well as the 2012 releases of Jardine’s long-coming solo album “A Postcard From California” and The Beach Boys’ first studio album in 23 years, “That’s Why God Made The Radio” — Jardine has moved on to his next project: llive shows with Brian Wilson and former Beach Boys guitarist David Marks. (Dates appear at left.)

Goldmine: How are you?
Al Jardine: Pretty busy (laughs).

GM: I can imagine! I was reading up on your current projects with the ONE Agit8 campaign and Sean Lennon…
AJ: Oh, Sean Lennon (laughs). Sean’s a real Beach Boy fan. Loves Brian Wilson, loves the more esoteric things. He’s a real, pure soul. He’s all musician, all spirit and he doesn’t rest on his laurels. He’s gonna be an original, if he’s not already. He’s got a lot of talent.

We wanted to pay respect to his dad on this Bono charity experience that happened in June, during the G8 summit. Bono wanted to make a statement to the G8 to get off their butts and do something and get the debtor countries off the hook and, you know, he’s a guy waiting for a cause to happen. So, we got together and said, “Let’s give peace a chance.” [The campaign] is more for poverty; poverty is really at the root of all evil.

I had originally agreed to do something with Pete Seeger, actually, which is what got me involved, but then Pete pulled out of the deal for personal reasons with regard to some other issues. So, I ended up singing “If I Had a Hammer” with his producer. I love that song. It lifted my spirits. I was high as a kite.

And then, coincidentally after that session, we bumped into Sean Lennon at a coffee shop. We started yakkin’ about all kinds of Beach Boys history and his dad — he wanted to know more about his dad because I met John before, and it was really a nice evening. So, we all decided to have a crack at this iconic song [“Give Peace a Chance”] and came up with a Beach Boys arrangement for the chorus, and that’s really what it is, just a little treatment. And maybe it’s the start of something, who knows? I’d really like to finish the song, actually.

GM: And then release it — maybe as a single or on a future album?
AJ: It would be his thing, I would think, then he could use it. Who knows? It just depends on if it’s suitable. You know, it’s timely and it’s always timely. [There’s] always something going on somewhere that a song like this can reflect upon, like in Egypt and Syria right now. There’s always something going on.

I thought we should finish the verses, myself, and have some fun with that. It’s all about having some fun delivering a serious message. You can do both. And why not? But [Sean] is a busy guy. He’s the musical director for his mom, and I’m doing this Beach Boy thing — or trying to anyway.
Beach Boys Brian Wilson, David Marks and Al Jardine are hitting the road for several live performances.

Beach Boys Brian Wilson, David Marks and Al Jardine are hitting the road for several live performances.


GM: Of course, I wanted to talk about this summer. How did the tour with Brian and David come about? I’m guessing it was sparked by the reunion last year.
AJ: Yeah, you’re probably right. Brian’s also recording a new album, so it’s an offspringing of that. Although we won’t be doing the new songs on this particular leg of the tour, it’s still due to the fact that I’m obviously participating on his album, and David as well, and we would naturally want to go out, and continue to perform and finish what we started.

We really enjoyed the reunion tour and we’re greatly disappointed that we couldn’t continue performing with Mike [Love]. That was, to me, the epitome — the best thing we could have done for ourselves, for the fans and for the music. It was a perfect reunion, only to stop abruptly. It’s hard to stop or slow down a jumbo jet once it gets going, you know? (laughs) I was going to use the train analogy but, you know, once inertia sets in, who the hell needs it? We didn’t want to go back to the way it was; I didn’t want to go back to the way it was.

It’s as good as you’re gonna get it when you see Brian and David and Al — it’s the heart and soul of the Beach Boys. [We] may not be able to call ourselves the Beach Boys, but it’s the heart and soul of the music. And I think people will really enjoy hearing some new stuff that we didn’t do on the 50th. Then later this fall, after the album’s finished, we’ll probably add a few of those songs. It feels good. it’s a natural thing to continue to do what you were born to do. So why not?

I guess it’s strange to have two groups of touring Beach Boys on the road. It’s silly. But, we’re not calling ourselves “The Beach Boys,” so it’s a clear distinction between the two bands. One’s implied and one isn’t. One’s overtly — it is, and the other is doing just the opposite, I guess. We’re just doing what we do. And then of course everyone knows who we are. At least I hope everyone knows who we are!

We would love to have Mike and Bruce [Johnston] with us. It’s the most natural thing we could do. It’s the way it should be. I hope they change their minds.

GM: It doesn’t sound like there’s bad blood there.
AJ: No, there’s no bad blood. Those are some really nice people. It’s just unfortunate that we’re making people choose between one [group] or the other, in this economy especially. You can only go to so many concerts every year and there’s other music out there people want to listen to, so you have to make choices. Not just Beach Boy choices, but there are a lot of people touring, a lot of reunions happening. What happened to the Stones, are they finished?

GM: I think they’re overseas now. I know they just played Glastonbury.
AJ: How are they doing?

GM: I heard they’re doing around 20 songs in their set.
AJ: Twenty?! No way! That’s just gouging. Crazy. We did something like 60 songs, average of 50 a show [on the Beach Boys’ reunion tour]. That’s not right. I can’t believe it. They’re probably getting worn out or something. You know, just physically, it’s just so demanding. That show, when you think about it, there’s only one singer (laughs) — [Mick Jagger] jumps around like a 20-year-old kid.

On our tour, we get to trade leads around and enjoy watching the other guys sing, and we have so much more depth. We can pull out all the stops. We could do a three-hour show easily.

GM: You guys have an excellent backing band, too.
AJ: I know. We’re really lucky. We’ve got a heck of a lineup. And with Jeff Beck coming along, he’ll open the show with a little bit of a rock ‘n’ roll thing, and then he’ll probably join us on an encore. It’ll be great. It’ll be fantastic. Everything’s good. Full-steam ahead.

GM: Have you started rehearsing?
AJ: No, we start on the 16th of July. Our first show will be the 20th in Atlantic City, and then we’ll move onto the Midwest for a brief time and put our toe in the water and see what happens.

GM: And you’re thinking about more tour dates after the summer?
AJ: We have a whole schedule planned for the autumn, although we haven’t gotten it set yet so I can’t say when or where, but we do have one in Los Angeles at the Greek Theatre. There will be an official announcement.

GM:  What can we expect from the set list?
AJ: A few new things. I’m going to try out “Don’t Fight the Sea” from my own album ["A Postcard From California."] I like that one. We’ll do a big production onstage, and then I have a video that goes with it, but it’s pretty graphic — the fisheries taking a little too much for granted and the butchering of the seals up in the Alaskan areas. It’s probably not the right thing to show an audience. (laughs) I might be able to tone it down a little, but I don’t know, maybe it’s a good idea because we’re supposed to be protecting the oceans. We’ll see if this is the right venue for that. We’ll find out when we get to rehearsals.

Maybe we’ll do a folk song, but I don’t want to bore the audience. On “Surf’s Up,” there’s a tune called “Lookin’ At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song),” and it actually sounds pretty good, but I think it’s better suited for a club in the Village. Brian will do a couple of things from his solo projects. A beautiful, haunting tune, “Summer’s Gone,” will be the closer. We’ll do “That’s Why God Made the Radio,” and then of course the big hits. I think they still wanna do “Cottonfields,” although I don’t know why. It was never a big hit here. But why not? I think we’ll do “California Saga: California” again. And David Marks will be be singing the Dennis Wilson song called “Little Bird” — it’s a cute song, really charming.

So, there will be some new things that you haven’t heard on the 50th. And, of course, Brian will take some of the leads on the car songs. We won’t be doing too many of those, but I might take one myself. We’ll know better when we get there. I’m really looking forward to it. I love working with Brian; it’s nice to work with the architect. That’s how I see it. The music is the motherlode (laughs). It doesn’t get much better than that.

I think Brian — actually, all the Beach Boys — are on “Don’t Fight the Sea.” It should sound pretty darn good.

GM: I’m excited to hear it.
AJ: Brian sings my favorite part on there. I really enjoy working with him. That’s why we don’t stop. When you’re digging up the relics and you realize how great they are, these wonderful songs, it would be a crime not to do them.

GM: And I think a lot of people are expecting those deeper cuts from you guys in particular.
AJ: You’re right, and it deserves that. I’d like to do the whole Love You album. Man, those are some of the best songs we ever did. Oh, I hope we do “Honkin’ Down the Highway.”

GM: Please do “Honkin’ Down the Highway”!
AJ: That would be great. I’ll mention that. I think we should. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that before. I’m glad we talked.

GM: I’m gonna take the credit for this, if you do that song.
AJ: (Laughs.) OK, I’ll give you the credit.
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« Reply #78 on: July 19, 2013, 06:40:03 AM »

They did as per their mutual agreement at Brian's insistence and ended the tour after 70 some dates to return their previous arrangement.

Well said, with all the warmth and understanding of Old Man Potter's Savings and Loan. Azn

Of course we're kickin' ole Bessy. The problem here (and the rationale behind the thread) is that this tired old display will continue to resurrect itself whenever Joe McReporter interviews Al or whomever when Brian's band comes to play their town.

I still kind of admire Al for his blunt approach - an approach which in someway is probably an approach of last resort. C'est la vie.
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« Reply #79 on: July 19, 2013, 06:43:45 AM »

 w00t! Don't Fight The Sea!  w00t!

As for The Beach Boys, someone needs to sit all five of them down for hamburgers and triple thick milkshakes and work this thing out.  There seems to be a lot of miscommunication going on between the parties.  Either that or nobody is willing to take culpability in the press.
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« Reply #80 on: July 19, 2013, 06:45:09 AM »

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I hope that settles that, then.

As for Al's discussion of the setlist -- that sounds far more interesting than I was expecting from this tour. I really, really hope they come to the UK...
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« Reply #81 on: July 19, 2013, 06:56:13 AM »

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I hope that settles that, then.

As for Al's discussion of the setlist -- that sounds far more interesting than I was expecting from this tour. I really, really hope they come to the UK...
That was a really nice interview. I don't sense bad blood between the guys. Disappointment yes, but economically, he is correct about both touring and we fans having to choose. This year I chose BAD and for me, that's good. I can't wait for tomorrow night.
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« Reply #82 on: July 19, 2013, 06:59:36 AM »

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I hope that settles that, then.

All it is is another wrinkle in a thick plot.  If there is no bad blood from the Wilson/Jardine/Marks side of the room (which many of us, myself included had assumed) it just brings up the elephant in the room which is "Why aren't M&B a part of this band?".

You know what is really going to tick me off?  If we find out months from now that the whole reason the C50 was stomped and this group was split into two is because of other individuals stirring up the pot, putting flies in the ointment and getting everyone sideways with one another.  I'm really starting to think and to quote Macca from AHDN that there is a "king mixer" afoot here or someone who made Mike Love feel uncomfortable to the point where he split.  Maybe I'm just trying to find a villain but with all this recent press from both sides of camp, it doesn't make any sense as to why The Beach Boys aren't still intact.  Now money is always a mitigating factor but I'm starting to get a sick feeling that this goes beyond simple economics and someone wanted the C50 to end and saw their agenda to that end.

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« Reply #83 on: July 19, 2013, 07:01:44 AM »

You know what is really going to tick me off?  If we find out months from now that the whole reason the C50 was stomped and this group was split into two is because of other individuals stirring up the pot, putting flies in the ointment and getting everyone sideways with one another.  I'm really starting to think and to quote Macca from AHDN that there is a "king mixer" afoot here or someone who made Mike Love feel uncomfortable to the point where he split.  Maybe I'm just trying to find a villain but with all this recent press from both sides of camp, it doesn't make any sense as to why The Beach Boys aren't still intact.  Now money is always a mitigating factor but I'm starting to get a sick feeling that this goes beyond simple economics and someone wanted the C50 to end and saw their agenda to that end.

I actually suspect that it really was just a horrible misunderstanding, like we discussed in the thread about Mike's Daily Star interview...
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« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2013, 07:17:55 AM »

Dave singing Little Bird? Looking forward to hearing that. Great that Dennis recieves this recognition for his tremendous contributions when Brian wasn't writing enough.
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« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2013, 07:25:48 AM »

"Little Bird" live?? WOW!!!  3D
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« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2013, 08:01:26 AM »



Mike is happy to carry on as if nothing had ever happened. Sure, OK, if he had a good reason. Expense isn't, really. C50 made money, and could have continued to make money if they toured the UK, Madison Sq Garden, and beyond. And Al & David aren't intimidated by Brian's people. Why is Mike?

A good reason? As these guys are human beings, isn`t it enough if one of them doesn`t want to do something? Surely they shouldn`t feel compelled to live their lives according to how some fans want...

Brian didn't want to do it for like 15 years.
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« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2013, 08:04:43 AM »

Little Bird & Honkin' down the highway..... Great!!


The whole Love You album....? Does Al read this board?  Grin
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« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2013, 08:18:59 AM »

"I’d like to do the whole Love You album. Man, those are some of the best songs we ever did."

Just want to thank whichever board member hypnotized Al.
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« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2013, 08:20:48 AM »

"I’d like to do the whole Love You album. Man, those are some of the best songs we ever did."

Just want to thank whichever board member hypnotized Al.

And now we just need Al to hypnotise Foskett and it might happen.
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« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2013, 08:30:44 AM »

"I’d like to do the whole Love You album. Man, those are some of the best songs we ever did."

Just want to thank whichever board member hypnotized Al.

And now we just need Al to hypnotise Foskett and it might happen.

Jeff isn't the music director and doesn't decide the set list.
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« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2013, 08:38:17 AM »

"I’d like to do the whole Love You album. Man, those are some of the best songs we ever did."

Just want to thank whichever board member hypnotized Al.

And now we just need Al to hypnotise Foskett and it might happen.

Jeff isn't the music director and doesn't decide the set list.

I know. It was a joke, because people seem to believe that he exerts some mysterious control over Brian...
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« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2013, 08:39:59 AM »

"I’d like to do the whole Love You album. Man, those are some of the best songs we ever did."

Just want to thank whichever board member hypnotized Al.

And now we just need Al to hypnotise Foskett and it might happen.

Jeff isn't the music director and doesn't decide the set list.

I know. It was a joke, because people seem to believe that he exerts some mysterious control over Brian...

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« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2013, 08:45:44 AM »

You know what is really going to tick me off?  If we find out months from now that the whole reason the C50 was stomped and this group was split into two is because of other individuals stirring up the pot, putting flies in the ointment and getting everyone sideways with one another.  I'm really starting to think and to quote Macca from AHDN that there is a "king mixer" afoot here or someone who made Mike Love feel uncomfortable to the point where he split.  Maybe I'm just trying to find a villain but with all this recent press from both sides of camp, it doesn't make any sense as to why The Beach Boys aren't still intact.  Now money is always a mitigating factor but I'm starting to get a sick feeling that this goes beyond simple economics and someone wanted the C50 to end and saw their agenda to that end.

I actually suspect that it really was just a horrible misunderstanding, like we discussed in the thread about Mike's Daily Star interview...

While it would be hilarious/bittersweet fun if that were the case, I think Mike knew full well what he was doing, and had clear and compelling reasons for his actions. There have been enough big hints on this board to convince me that we don't know everything about what went down on the C50 tour. I am still disappointed by Mike's choices (and he's made some doozies in the past), but nothing in BB world is ever as simple as it seems.
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« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2013, 08:58:40 AM »


Because they actually didn't agree at all?

They obviously did at one point...

They did as per their mutual agreement at Brian's insistence and ended the tour after 70 some dates to return their previous arrangement.

Both Brian and Mike (and Al) altered their original agreement, so they certainly set the precedent that it is technically possible to continue to alter that agreement. Nobody was or is legally obligated to do so of course, but nobody has ever claimed that that was or is the case.

Mike gets props for extending the reunion (as do the other guys), and that means he also gets jeers from some quarters for not extending it again when he could have, with little trouble.


With little trouble if you aren't Mike or in Mike's band or hadn't already made other arrangements based on previous agreements or aren't any of the parties affected by those arrangements.

Dates get cancelled and rescheduled all the time, by all kinds of artists, big and small. Musicians get let go from bands all the time, too. Mike's had lots of experience handing out pink slips, so it wouldn't have been that hard for him. Perhaps the happy memories of both dismissing an original Beach Boy (Al) and the band's longest-serving sideman (Kowalski) would have fortified him in the difficult task.

Doesn't change the trouble.

Mike could no more dismiss Al than Al could dismiss Mike. How do you know Kowalski was let go as opposed to quit?
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« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2013, 09:00:23 AM »

I wonder how much of that setlist is actual and how much was Al's wishlist? Sounds cool if it happens.
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« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2013, 09:08:02 AM »

I thought there was no such thing as BAD press.  Drumroll
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« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2013, 09:49:24 AM »

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« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2013, 10:08:31 AM »

David singing Little Bird sounds very cool. I really hope that stays in the set list for the upcoming fall tour and it makes it's way to the southeast.
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« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2013, 10:48:46 AM »

I think we need to go back a bit. One of the reasons I found out why the Beach Boys were able to get so much done from 1961-72 or so is because they all did talk to each other direct then. Stephen Desper among others mentioned that when they physically lived closer to each other and it was easy to hold informal meetings that the band ran better. I've also heard that while Brian and Dennis always had their problems, the problems got worse as the friendships weren't as strong. I dug up that 1968 interview with Brian about ten years ago with J. Marks. He is just so happy how the group were getting along at the time. It meant something to him that Smiley Smile was a happy occasion compared to the tensions of Smile. To me he said that the group (67-70 or so specifically) era was great because of the friendships and he stressed that.  

Let's face it though, they haven't ever all been on close to the same page since. Were they ever a untied group after the brief 1977 split? Not at all. That they went on twenty years after that is pretty wild if you think about.

Let's also recall that Brian basically left the group after 1970. Sure he worked with them to some level every year until 1991 but his interest constantly waxed and waned. From 1986 on Brian has often spoken about not wanting to be in the group. Publically he was most set against them working together after Carl died.

In light of all that the reunion is amazing. I've been reading the new In Concert book and 2012 had the kind of arranging and care that hadn't been seen since maybe 1975-76. First complete tour with Brian since 1983, all the songs were done justice and they went around the entire world. I would hate to see them do anything else without the full commitment and ambition they displayed. Creatively if it is over now they ended on a high. I don't seek anything else from any of them ever. Whatever else comes is gravy to me.  

Regarding now it still seems simple to me.  Issues that should be kept private are being drawn out in public to nobody's real benefit. Maybe somebody thinks controversy will sell tickets. I still find it hard to imagine anyone was caught off guard by anyone else. I still think it's become way too big of a deal here and in the press. In fact since 1976 haven't almost all the interviews or stories had details we didn't need to really know that should have been kept out of the media?

All I keep trying to say is that we should use reason. Press releases and interviews should not always be taken at face value. The Brian Wilson fired thing is ridiculous but that's what most picked up by people because it made a good story. That it still seems to be what is the general consensus. as to what happened is shocking. All of us should know better. but some still think Mike made Brian give up Smile. That those who think Brian has been constantly bullied are usually Brian's hard core fans is what makes me wonder. Why do they underestimate Brian's power in 1967, 2012, or anytime else? Why do they need to dwell on the bad things that happened between members and him? They all have mistreated each other very badly at times, but that's a rock band norm and a family norm. Does painting Brian as a victim increase understanding of his mental issues or art? Awful things have happened to the guy, but he's had many great things too. Even if having the money to get the proper help (even if it took thirty years) is the only good thing to come from being a Beach Boy, than to me it was worth it.
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