is there going to be much left in the vault after MIC?

[Mikie]

Big Sur 4/4 is going to remain in the vaults. What a travesty. What an oversight. What a glaring omission.

And Carry Me Home and I've Got A Friend. I can maybe understand those being left out for the reason of inferior sound quality and/or because the former is a little depressing, but Big Sur? I'd like to hear the justifcation for leaving that one out.

[alf wiedersehen]

Big Sur 4/4 is going to remain in the vaults. What a travesty. What an oversight. What a glaring omission.

And Carry Me Home and I've Got A Friend. I can maybe understand those being left out for the reason of inferior sound quality and/or because the former is a little depressing, but Big Sur? I'd like to hear the justifcation for leaving that one out.

Perhaps it will be a hidden track?

[Mikie]

If it's a hidden track, it doesn't need to be. Bring it out in the open where it belongs - so everybody can hear it.

But unfortunately it's going to remain a secret or unknown to the average Beach Boys fan or music consumer on the street.

[DSalter]

My dream is that one day Capitol would consider releasing the entire BB catalog in such a way that you would have all the tracks for each song, thus allowing you to isolate / study all individual parts  / create your own mix, etc.

[Wirestone]

Mikie: I don't think it makes sense to declare that we'll never hear any of those things ... never is an awfully long time, and record companies and rock stars love money.

[alf wiedersehen]

Mikie: I don't think it makes sense to declare that we'll never hear any of those things ... never is an awfully long time, and record companies and rock stars love money.

Especially a few members of our favorite band...

[The Shift]

Thing is though, many of the hardcore fans are, like the band, of an age. First gen fans are in their 60s/70s, those of us who were swept up in the Endless Summer/20 Golden Greats thing are in their 40s/50s…

From the record companies' point of view we ain't gonna be around to buy the stuff; and from our side some of us won't be here to listen to it if it eventually does come about. Didn't know them personally but I'm thinking here of Les Chan and Rev Bob and others no longer with us, who would have been knocked out/delighted by - even maybe contributed to, in some way - this box.

[Ebb and Flow]

I hate to be morbid, but a lot of stuff will come out after all of the group members are dead and aren't able to veto certain tracks from being released.  Possibly when they are too old to tour and create revenue that way as well.

It's really a shame that we see vault releases from other artists like the Bootleg Series from Dylan and The Elvis FTD collections but only a handful for The BB.  Maybe they could just package a bonus disc of vault tracks with the same GH collection every year.

[joshferrell]

also there's that BW Country Album...

[Jay]

Big Sur 4/4 is going to remain in the vaults. What a travesty. What an oversight. What a glaring omission.

And Carry Me Home and I've Got A Friend. I can maybe understand those being left out for the reason of inferior sound quality and/or because the former is a little depressing, but Big Sur? I'd like to hear the justifcation for leaving that one out.

I'm pretty surprised that we didn't get a live version of I've Got A Friend, at the very least. As you can hear from this clip, there is at least one high quality version that exists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBCZhEr3_no

[JohnMill]

I hate to be morbid, but a lot of stuff will come out after all of the group members are dead and aren't able to veto certain tracks from being released.  Possibly when they are too old to tour and create revenue that way as well.

It's really a shame that we see vault releases from other artists like the Bootleg Series from Dylan and The Elvis FTD collections but only a handful for The BB.  Maybe they could just package a bonus disc of vault tracks with the same GH collection every year.

I think your premise is generally correct but I disagree in that I don't feel that Beach Boys fans have anything to complain about in terms of the archival releases they have received.  There are hoards of other fanbases that have received far less or nothing at all in terms of archival releases when compared to what Beach Boys fans could conceivably stock their collections with.  

I think Richie Unterberger in his book "The Unreleased Beatles" makes a valid point and I'm paraphrasing here since it's a late hour and I don't have time to look up the exact quote.  But what he basically said is music from the archives is unlikely to get to the fans until either all members of the group are deceased or the record company has exhausted all means of generating any type of income from the archives.  Once this happens it's likely the archives will pass on to the hands of the fans themselves in the form of internet downloads and things of that manner which are already being spoken about by fans if only decades too soon.

Again though when it comes to the Beach Boys I'm not sure what all the fuss is about?  They not only have several handsome officially sanctioned archival releases on the market but allegedly what occurred to their archives sometime during the decade of the eighties is without peer.  So that being said while I can understand somewhat the desire to hear every last hiss and pop, I think anyone complaining about such matters when pertaining to The Beach Boys needs to take a few steps back and assess the situation a bit differently.  

[metal flake paint]

My dream is that one day Capitol would consider releasing the entire BB catalog in such a way that you would have all the tracks for each song, thus allowing you to isolate / study all individual parts  / create your own mix, etc.

Hell yeah, and call it Stack-O-Multitracks 

[alf wiedersehen]

...what occurred to their archives sometime during the decade of the eighties is without peer.

What do you mean by this? As in, lost tracks being spread on bootlegs?

[Jay]

My dream is that one day Capitol would consider releasing the entire BB catalog in such a way that you would have all the tracks for each song, thus allowing you to isolate / study all individual parts  / create your own mix, etc.

Hell yeah, and call it Stack-O-Multitracks 

I suspect that within the next decade or two we'll be seeing early prototypes of such technology.

[Ebb and Flow]

I think your premise is generally correct but I disagree in that I don't feel that Beach Boys fans have anything to complain about in terms of the archival releases they have received.  There are hoards of other fanbases that have received far less or nothing at all in terms of archival releases when compared to what Beach Boys fans could conceivably stock their collections with.  

I'm not really complaining, but it seems like The Beach Boys were blessed with the foresight or just blind luck to archive a lot of material that other artists threw away.  It's a shame that the battling egos of surviving members and a record label determined to repackage the same 20 songs every summer for eternity gets in the way of releasing what little is left that hasn't been bootlegged.

And it's worth pointing out that while a great deal of The Beach Boys more commercial early-mid 60s material has been generously available to fans through bootlegs, most of the later 60s/70s material has not and remains vaulted and will remain to be so as long as it is deemed "uncommercial" by the powers that be, both within the group and at Capitol.

[Cabinessenceking]

My dream is that one day Capitol would consider releasing the entire BB catalog in such a way that you would have all the tracks for each song, thus allowing you to isolate / study all individual parts  / create your own mix, etc.

It could actually be a possibility for music companies in the future to have massive archival releases such as this in the future for all the bands of the 50's-80's which was without doubt the most dynamic period for modern music. Just because the last of the Beatles, Rolling Stones or Beach Boys are gone doesn't mean that their companies don't want to continue making money from their music. Digital download could one day mean that you enter their webpage and then you are free to purchase any vocal take or demo they make available.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

My dream is that one day Capitol would consider releasing the entire BB catalog in such a way that you would have all the tracks for each song, thus allowing you to isolate / study all individual parts  / create your own mix, etc.

Hell yeah, and call it Stack-O-Multitracks 

I suspect that within the next decade or two we'll be seeing early prototypes of such technology.

It's already happening, albeit illegally. All the Beatles multitracks that were hacked out of that computer game they did have been available for ages as MOGG files. Each song is a single downloadable file which can then be loaded into any studio software (there's lots of free ones). then you can play around to your hearts content.

[ash]

Think there are three Smile pieces we don't have still (please correct me if I'm wrong… it's 3am here and the kids have me awake!):

Alt Heroes assembly from Durrie Parks acetates.
Child is Father… Brian mix from acetate.
Barnyard, with animal noises but no lead overdub.

I'd also love to hear the Cabinessence lead vocals in isolation, if only to prove of disprove my theory that Brian sings the last high line in each verse rather than Carl!

I think the only hope for these would be another Hawthorne, CA type set and I'm somewhat surprised that at the very least Brian's mix of "Child" did not make it onto the boxset.  The only thing I can think of is it is not of releasable quality and that would likely go for the Durrie acetates too.  Just using The Beatles as my point of reference, a lot of stuff that was considered interesting was vetoed off the Anthology due to sound quality issues so perhaps that is the mitigating factor here?  Of course it would be equally fair to note that in some cases on Anthology lesser quality sources were used when the recordings were of historical significance.  I guess the question then is are these recordings of any significance to the history of The Beach Boys or just of significance to SMiLE aficionados who have to have every last hiss and pop from the sessions?

Didn't one of the other acetates have an alternate Worms assembly too ? I would suggest that these items (assuming they were purchased by Brian or the band) represent a fine opening salvo for Beach Boys Central.
That Heroes assembly acetate strikes me as a key part of prime time Smile. I forget the exact details so correct me if i'm wrong but didn't it feature the verses - an alternate Great Shape - alt my children all edited together ? That is as serious as this stuff gets ! Short of the various missing vocal/backing track session multi tracks being recovered, Mike suddenly finding his tape of the long Heroes or the Inside Pop audio reels magically appearing , those acetates might represent the last  major find although i hope that's not the case.
Did Brian and Van ever demo the songs at home ? Did Brian chuck all his composing notes or put them in storage? We are very short of composing demos for the early to mid 60's. We can but dream....
Have the Beach Boys archives now been fully catalogued ? Is there any chance of a Smile find in the wrong tape box or have Alan and the team finished the work there ?
A Smile Sessions Addendum as a FLAC download from Beach Boys Central gets my vote. Who else needs every hiss and pop ? i know i do.

[SonicVolcano]

The band deserves a live box set. Especially the 1971-1974 years, both audio and video.

For example:
- Central Park 1971
- Carnegie Hall 1972, both shows (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=7795.20, already four years ago...)
- Any professionally recorded show from 1973 used for the In Concert album
- Nassau 1974
+ TV performances, specials, interviews etc.

We need live versions of: Forever, Lady, Vegetables, It's About Time, Okie from Muskogee, Mess of Help, Here She Comes, Hold On Dear Brother, Cuddle Up, All This Is That, Big Sur, I've Got A Friend, Barbara, River Song, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Wild Honey etc.

Keep on dreaming?

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Think there are three Smile pieces we don't have still (please correct me if I'm wrong… it's 3am here and the kids have me awake!):

Alt Heroes assembly from Durrie Parks acetates.
Child is Father… Brian mix from acetate.
Barnyard, with animal noises but no lead overdub.

I'd also love to hear the Cabinessence lead vocals in isolation, if only to prove of disprove my theory that Brian sings the last high line in each verse rather than Carl!

It was a sad subject that came up last year. Record companies have tens of thousands of unlabeled tapes sitting around in various states of decay.
I think the only hope for these would be another Hawthorne, CA type set and I'm somewhat surprised that at the very least Brian's mix of "Child" did not make it onto the boxset.  The only thing I can think of is it is not of releasable quality and that would likely go for the Durrie acetates too.  Just using The Beatles as my point of reference, a lot of stuff that was considered interesting was vetoed off the Anthology due to sound quality issues so perhaps that is the mitigating factor here?  Of course it would be equally fair to note that in some cases on Anthology lesser quality sources were used when the recordings were of historical significance.  I guess the question then is are these recordings of any significance to the history of The Beach Boys or just of significance to SMiLE aficionados who have to have every last hiss and pop from the sessions?

Didn't one of the other acetates have an alternate Worms assembly too ? I would suggest that these items (assuming they were purchased by Brian or the band) represent a fine opening salvo for Beach Boys Central.
That Heroes assembly acetate strikes me as a key part of prime time Smile. I forget the exact details so correct me if i'm wrong but didn't it feature the verses - an alternate Great Shape - alt my children all edited together ? That is as serious as this stuff gets ! Short of the various missing vocal/backing track session multi tracks being recovered, Mike suddenly finding his tape of the long Heroes or the Inside Pop audio reels magically appearing , those acetates might represent the last  major find although i hope that's not the case.
Did Brian and Van ever demo the songs at home ? Did Brian chuck all his composing notes or put them in storage? We are very short of composing demos for the early to mid 60's. We can but dream....
Have the Beach Boys archives now been fully catalogued ? Is there any chance of a Smile find in the wrong tape box or have Alan and the team finished the work there ?
A Smile Sessions Addendum as a FLAC download from Beach Boys Central gets my vote. Who else needs every hiss and pop ? i know i do.

There was a sad discussion on here recently about how record companies have tens of thousands of unlabeled tapes sitting around slowly decaying. At least they've stopped chucking them out in the rubbish.

[Cabinessenceking]

The band deserves a live box set. Especially the 1971-1974 years, both audio and video.

For example:
- Central Park 1971
- Carnegie Hall 1972, both shows (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=7795.20, already four years ago...)
- Any professionally recorded show from 1973 used for the In Concert album
- Nassau 1974
+ TV performances, specials, interviews etc.

We need live versions of: Forever, Lady, Vegetables, It's About Time, Okie from Muskogee, Mess of Help, Here She Comes, Hold On Dear Brother, Cuddle Up, All This Is That, Big Sur, I've Got A Friend, Barbara, River Song, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Wild Honey etc.

Keep on dreaming?

Wild Honey live is coming out, but you missed the obvious Surf's Up and Cool Cool Water live 

[JohnMill]

I think your premise is generally correct but I disagree in that I don't feel that Beach Boys fans have anything to complain about in terms of the archival releases they have received.  There are hoards of other fanbases that have received far less or nothing at all in terms of archival releases when compared to what Beach Boys fans could conceivably stock their collections with.  

I'm not really complaining, but it seems like The Beach Boys were blessed with the foresight or just blind luck to archive a lot of material that other artists threw away.  It's a shame that the battling egos of surviving members and a record label determined to repackage the same 20 songs every summer for eternity gets in the way of releasing what little is left that hasn't been bootlegged.

And it's worth pointing out that while a great deal of The Beach Boys more commercial early-mid 60s material has been generously available to fans through bootlegs, most of the later 60s/70s material has not and remains vaulted and will remain to be so as long as it is deemed "uncommercial" by the powers that be, both within the group and at Capitol.

Yeah but if you look at AGD's site where he has listings of Unreleased Songs there really isn't much left unheard comparatively speaking that is going to be a major revelation.  I believe AGD also commented a few weeks back that a lot of the unreleased songs that are still vaulted are still in various stages of completion.  I remember the cover of Wayne Fontana's "Game Of Love" being mentioned as being incomplete and therefore likely not a contender for release.  There are probably other songs much in the same boat as far as that goes.  Now as far as alternate takes and session tapes go that would be another story entirely but in terms of unreleased tracks, I think the ones most of us were hoping to hear are going to be on MIC and the ones that aren't (I've Got A Friend) are locked away in the vaults because there is little value to them outside of the desire of the diehard collector to hear them.

[Micha]

Big Sur 4/4 is going to remain in the vaults. What a travesty. What an oversight. What a glaring omission.

And Carry Me Home and I've Got A Friend. I can maybe understand those being left out for the reason of inferior sound quality and/or because the former is a little depressing, but Big Sur? I'd like to hear the justifcation for leaving that one out.

I'm pretty surprised that we didn't get a live version of I've Got A Friend, at the very least. As you can hear from this clip, there is at least one high quality version that exists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBCZhEr3_no

Is that Mike Love who says at the beginning "that's really one of my favorite songs that I've ever heard"?

What I miss to be released is the live "What'd I Say" and the untouched Sacramento 1963/64 tapes. And Big Sur 4/4.

And the finished BB versions of Holidays, Look, CIFOTM and DYLW. Overdub the missing vocals onto that while you're still alive, will ya, please, boys? It's not so hard to do.

[leggo of my ego]

Even if there isnt much left in the "vault" I can be content with the wealth of music the BB have released.

If a band like the Castaways could write just one hit like "Lies" and it still be affectionately  remembered 45 yrs later then the Beach Boys will still be loved & adored a 1000 yrs from now. 

[BergenWhitesMoustache]

Castaways had a hit with 'Liar Liar'...

Lies was The Knickerbockers

Carry on.