is there going to be much left in the vault after MIC?

[bringahorseinhere?]

so we soon get MIC..... after weve had the Good Vibes, Pet Sounds and Smile Sets.......

is there really much left is the Capitol archives or Brother vaults after MIC???

or anything of 'greatness' or 'value'?

I remember hearing or reading a while ago, not sure whether it was Boyd or Linett or the likes, saying there wasn't really

much more there that hasn't been released or booted....

is this a fair comment?

 or is there still heaps of 'goodies' sitting there waiting for that 'rainy day'.....?

if there isn't much, what about all the apparent live stuff recorded in the early 70's that the guys picked from

for the 'in concert' album?? I heard they recorded multiple of multiple of concerts professionally at the time...

any ideas on the matter?

Cheers, Rick Bartlett

[Jason]

Well, there's certainly live tapes that could be released, but if you're referring to studio stuff, there probably is...but what we consider releaseable and what the band considers releaseable are two very different beasts.

I think other than maybe the surviving recordings from Dennis' aborted 1972 Poops/Hubba Hubba album sessions, we might be near the bottom of the barrel. I'm not against some live releases. Wouldn't we all love a series of live discs? I know I would.

[Nicko1234]

Plenty I would have thought...

Beginning of the End, Thank Him, Gonna Hustle You...
Loads of Party outtakes
The proper mix of With a Little Help From my Friends
Walkin` and the other mixes/versions of Sunflower era songs
Big Sur
Carry me Home and Out in the Country
We Got Love
15 Big Ones outtakes
Adult Child stuff
Christmas outtakes
KTSA outtakes
Stuff from the Brian/Mike sessions
Oh Lord and And I Always Will
Vocals from Stars and Stripes

Plus loads of Live stuff

[Jason]

Short of the band dumping the stuff with lesser commercial potential on the Beach Boys Central website (y'know, that Beach Boys website that is kinda like herpes since it keeps coming back to our discussions every so often?), I don't have high hopes. I'd love to be wrong.

[Wah Wah Wah Ooooo]

I'd love a live box set...4-6 discs of nothing but officially unreleased live stuff. Even if it's stuff that's been heavily booted, like Carnegie Hall '72 or Paramount Theater '93, it'd be great to have quality sounding, official releases of this stuff with a nice booklet and everything.

[lostbeachboy]

If Bob Dylan can release 10 volumes of his bootleg series, the beach boys certainly can too. Anybody who doubts that has serious issues... 

[Nicko1234]

Short of the band dumping the stuff with lesser commercial potential on the Beach Boys Central website (y'know, that Beach Boys website that is kinda like herpes since it keeps coming back to our discussions every so often?), I don't have high hopes. I'd love to be wrong.

Releasing individual albums with bonus tracks might be more viable perhaps.

[Ram4]

A release of all A Cappella songs (as many as they can give us) would be great.  

[Jeff]

I think this may well be the end.

There's lots that could be released, but it's hard to see what would make money.  We have the Pet Sounds Box, Smile Box, POB/Bambu, stereo remixes for what can be remixed, and now a number of additional outtakes.

Sure, they could do a nice 1-disc Party sessions without overdubs, or a live box, or a deluxe Love You with demos and Adult Child outtakes.  But the likely audience for that is tiny.

I could see a "Brian Wilson Sessions 1964-72" or something like that being successful.  But it would never happen as long as the other Beach Boys are alive, and maybe not afterward either.

[mr_oleary]

I would pay good money for Love You backing tracks

[Nicko1234]

I think this may well be the end.

There's lots that could be released, but it's hard to see what would make money.  We have the Pet Sounds Box, Smile Box, POB/Bambu, stereo remixes for what can be remixed, and now a number of additional outtakes.

Sure, they could do a nice 1-disc Party sessions without overdubs, or a live box, or a deluxe Love You with demos and Adult Child outtakes.  But the likely audience for that is tiny.

I could see a "Brian Wilson Sessions 1964-72" or something like that being successful.  But it would never happen as long as the other Beach Boys are alive, and maybe not afterward either.

I`m not sure why something like that should be any less viable than the expanded BW88 was...

[rab2591]

A release of all A Cappella songs (as many as they can give us) would be great.  

This. As well as remastered instrumental tracks.

[JohnMill]

I think this may well be the end.

There's lots that could be released, but it's hard to see what would make money.  We have the Pet Sounds Box, Smile Box, POB/Bambu, stereo remixes for what can be remixed, and now a number of additional outtakes.

Sure, they could do a nice 1-disc Party sessions without overdubs, or a live box, or a deluxe Love You with demos and Adult Child outtakes.  But the likely audience for that is tiny.

I could see a "Brian Wilson Sessions 1964-72" or something like that being successful.  But it would never happen as long as the other Beach Boys are alive, and maybe not afterward either.

I don't think it will be the end because Alan Boyd and Mark Linett have previously stated that they want to get more archival releases to the fans and have been diligent in doing so.  Beach Boys stuff is always going to move.  It's not going to fly off the shelves mind you but they are always going to have a niche audience that is going to gobble up archival releases.  This might be the last big box produced for a long while but there could be smaller releases devoted to specific time periods.  I guess a good place to start such a discussion would be the sales figure for Hawthorne, CA probably the most ambitious project we've gotten yet since it's an actual rarities package without any greatest hits attached to it.  It also didn't have the benefit of having a movie or mythical release attached to it like "Pet Sounds" or "SMiLE".

To be honest though Beach Boys fans between the official and ahem other releases basically have gotten some of the best archival releases of any fanbase at their disposal.  As I mentioned they have Linett & Boyd both pitching for them in terms of getting officially sanctioned archival releases, the other not so sanctioned releases allegedly sound better than most non sanctioned releases by other bands and to put the cherry on the top there is evidence that words, comments and suggestions on this forum don't exactly go unheeded by those in the position to facilitate making some of those wishes come true in the future.

So at the risk of sounding like a fanboy...buy MIC, continue to support what the band releases and you'll probably get more of the same sometime down the line.  

[Wirestone]

Let's not confuse BW solo material with BB archival material. Brian paid for and owns the Paley sessions stuff, so he (or his folks) can release that whenever and however he likes.

Very different story with something like the Love You sessions / demos, which are owned and controlled by BRI.

[Jeff]

I think this may well be the end.

There's lots that could be released, but it's hard to see what would make money.  We have the Pet Sounds Box, Smile Box, POB/Bambu, stereo remixes for what can be remixed, and now a number of additional outtakes.

Sure, they could do a nice 1-disc Party sessions without overdubs, or a live box, or a deluxe Love You with demos and Adult Child outtakes.  But the likely audience for that is tiny.

I could see a "Brian Wilson Sessions 1964-72" or something like that being successful.  But it would never happen as long as the other Beach Boys are alive, and maybe not afterward either.

I don't think it will be the end because Alan Boyd and Mark Linett have previously stated that they want to get more archival releases to the fans and have been diligent in doing so.  Beach Boys stuff is always going to move.  It's not going to fly off the shelves mind you but they are always going to have a niche audience that is going to gobble up archival releases.  This might be the last big box produced for a long while but there could be smaller releases devoted to specific time periods.  I guess a good place to start such a discussion would be the sales figure for Hawthorne, CA probably the most ambitious project we've gotten yet since it's an actual rarities package without any greatest hits attached to it.  It also didn't have the benefit of having a movie or mythical release attached to it like "Pet Sounds" or "SMiLE".

To be honest though Beach Boys fans between the official and ahem other releases basically have gotten some of the best archival releases of any fanbase at their disposal.  As I mentioned they have Linett & Boyd both pitching for them in terms of getting officially sanctioned archival releases, the other not so sanctioned releases allegedly sound better than most non sanctioned releases by other bands and to put the cherry on the top there is evidence that words, comments and suggestions on this forum don't exactly go unheeded by those in the position to facilitate making some of those wishes come true in the future.

So at the risk of sounding like a fanboy...buy MIC, continue to support what the band releases and you'll probably get more of the same sometime down the line.  

But will Linett and Boyd continue to pitch archival releases after the box set?  I'm sure they have other things going on, and they may not want to spend time on things that are futile.

Wasn't Hawthorne considered a commercial failure?

[JohnMill]

I think this may well be the end.

There's lots that could be released, but it's hard to see what would make money.  We have the Pet Sounds Box, Smile Box, POB/Bambu, stereo remixes for what can be remixed, and now a number of additional outtakes.

Sure, they could do a nice 1-disc Party sessions without overdubs, or a live box, or a deluxe Love You with demos and Adult Child outtakes.  But the likely audience for that is tiny.

I could see a "Brian Wilson Sessions 1964-72" or something like that being successful.  But it would never happen as long as the other Beach Boys are alive, and maybe not afterward either.

I don't think it will be the end because Alan Boyd and Mark Linett have previously stated that they want to get more archival releases to the fans and have been diligent in doing so.  Beach Boys stuff is always going to move.  It's not going to fly off the shelves mind you but they are always going to have a niche audience that is going to gobble up archival releases.  This might be the last big box produced for a long while but there could be smaller releases devoted to specific time periods.  I guess a good place to start such a discussion would be the sales figure for Hawthorne, CA probably the most ambitious project we've gotten yet since it's an actual rarities package without any greatest hits attached to it.  It also didn't have the benefit of having a movie or mythical release attached to it like "Pet Sounds" or "SMiLE".

To be honest though Beach Boys fans between the official and ahem other releases basically have gotten some of the best archival releases of any fanbase at their disposal.  As I mentioned they have Linett & Boyd both pitching for them in terms of getting officially sanctioned archival releases, the other not so sanctioned releases allegedly sound better than most non sanctioned releases by other bands and to put the cherry on the top there is evidence that words, comments and suggestions on this forum don't exactly go unheeded by those in the position to facilitate making some of those wishes come true in the future.

So at the risk of sounding like a fanboy...buy MIC, continue to support what the band releases and you'll probably get more of the same sometime down the line.  

But will Linett and Boyd continue to pitch archival releases after the box set?  I'm sure they have other things going on, and they may not want to spend time on things that are futile.

Wasn't Hawthorne considered a commercial failure?

I'm sure they will continue to pitch archival releases because of the fact that both men are huge Beach Boys fans and the fact that they seem to have a genuine interest in bringing this material to the fanbase.  Now whether or not Capitol records is interested in future archival releases from the band or not is another thing all together.  We literally have gotten a Beach Boys Blitz since 2011 so we might have to wait a couple of years for the next wave so to speak. 

[Jeff]

I just don't think it's realistic to believe that there will be a next wave.  Everyone on this site could buy five copies of a given release, but that would be a tiny, tiny fraction of what the record company would need to run a profit.

So it would have to be something with a larger audience, and what would that be?

[Wirestone]

I just don't think it's realistic to believe that there will be a next wave.  Everyone on this site could buy five copies of a given release, but that would be a tiny, tiny fraction of what the record company would need to run a profit.

So it would have to be something with a larger audience, and what would that be?

I think it's much less realistic to believe that Capitol will stop releasing Beach Boys product just because the band puts out a boxed set.

[oldsurferdude]

Not to mention stuff that may be in the vaults from Carl, Dennis, and Al. Yeah, myKe stuff too but no particular interest has been shown anywhere in this galaxy.

[Nicko1234]

I just don't think it's realistic to believe that there will be a next wave.  Everyone on this site could buy five copies of a given release, but that would be a tiny, tiny fraction of what the record company would need to run a profit.

So it would have to be something with a larger audience, and what would that be?

As there would be no recording costs, why should it be expensive to put stuff out?

[Jim V.]

Personally I don't see any previously unreleased studio material coming out after Made In California. Most of the best studio stuff left is from the later '70s and '80s and there isn't exactly a groundswell of support for that kinda material. I also agree with many on here that the '71 to '75 era should be represented by live discs. Honestly, I still think that Beach Boys Central would make the most sense, especially for the unreleased material they still have in the vaults. Do a few releases a year. Some studio, some live, maybe some instrumental tracks, some focused on demos, some focused on Brian, some on Denny, etc. I think it would do really well. It seemed like we were close in '06 or whatever, and maybe if the new set does well, they might bring it back as an idea. Note that the site is still there...

Anyways, here's what I think studio-wise still deserves release (or at the least, if I haven't heard it, going by the good judgement of Boyd, AGD, Stebbins, etc):

"My Little Red Book" (B. Bacharach/H. David) 1968
"Spark In The Dark" (B. Wilson) 1972
"Baby I Need Your Loving/Gimme Some Lovin'" (B. Holland/L. Dozier/E. Holland/S. Winwood/S. Davis/M. Winwood) 1972?
"Carry Me Home" (D. Wilson) 1972
"Brian's Jam" (B. Wilson) 1974
"Calendar Girl" (N. Sedaka/H. Greenfield) 1978
"Smokey Places" (A. Spector) 1979
"Stevie" (B. Wilson) 1981
"Sweetie" (B. Wilson) 1981

And on rougher stuff like "Spark In The Dark" from 1972 and "Brian's Jam" from 1974 there are insiders have had interesting things to say about. And these kinda things obviously would be weird on a mainstream release, but would be really interesting to hardcore fans. It would be cool on a release equivalent to what Experience Hendrix released as Hear My Music, which was a collection of instrumentals and demos and whatnot.

[Bicyclerider]

Besides the live stuff there's easily another two disc set of worthy rarities, maybe three if you include a Capella and instrumental versions.  I only hope we get another Hawthorne style set rather than dribs and drabs on more collections like Sounds of Summer.

[The Shift]

Think there are three Smile pieces we don't have still (please correct me if I'm wrong… it's 3am here and the kids have me awake!):

Alt Heroes assembly from Durrie Parks acetates.
Child is Father… Brian mix from acetate.
Barnyard, with animal noises but no lead overdub.

I'd also love to hear the Cabinessence lead vocals in isolation, if only to prove of disprove my theory that Brian sings the last high line in each verse rather than Carl!

[JohnMill]

Think there are three Smile pieces we don't have still (please correct me if I'm wrong… it's 3am here and the kids have me awake!):

Alt Heroes assembly from Durrie Parks acetates.
Child is Father… Brian mix from acetate.
Barnyard, with animal noises but no lead overdub.

I'd also love to hear the Cabinessence lead vocals in isolation, if only to prove of disprove my theory that Brian sings the last high line in each verse rather than Carl!

I think the only hope for these would be another Hawthorne, CA type set and I'm somewhat surprised that at the very least Brian's mix of "Child" did not make it onto the boxset.  The only thing I can think of is it is not of releasable quality and that would likely go for the Durrie acetates too.  Just using The Beatles as my point of reference, a lot of stuff that was considered interesting was vetoed off the Anthology due to sound quality issues so perhaps that is the mitigating factor here?  Of course it would be equally fair to note that in some cases on Anthology lesser quality sources were used when the recordings were of historical significance.  I guess the question then is are these recordings of any significance to the history of The Beach Boys or just of significance to SMiLE aficionados who have to have every last hiss and pop from the sessions?

[alanjames]

I would like to hear in pristine quality:

- Big Sur 1st version
- My Solution
- California Slide
- Rooftop Harry
- Carry Me Home
- Ten Years of Harmony
- It's a New Day
- Hard Times
- Dennis's songs from his aborted solo album
- Dr Tom
- Where We Are
- Shake Rattle and Roll
- Runnin' Bear
- Adult Child album
- I Will Always Love You
- Surfer Suzie
- Jamaica Farewell
- Smokey Places
- Oh Lord