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« Reply #225 on: August 06, 2013, 04:06:00 PM »

The most Pet Sounds influenced thing The Beatles ever did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxb0ecs2NsE

sounds more like Friends to me....pretty awesome. There's an alternate version of Here There & Everywhere that actually prefer to the released version


Friends wasn't out for another two years!
I know...just saying that's the first vibe I got from listening...wasn't influenced by it, but had a similar sound. That's another thing I love...BW and Macca had different sounds but the same approach in a way; or vice versa.

This might sound really stupid...but was The White Album a conscious decision to return back to basics like Brian did with Wild Honey? I'd think so in a way just because of the title Wild Honey Pie LOL

I doubt it.  "The White Album" was the product of it's environment.  90% of the songs that ended up on "The White Album" were written during The Beatles' sojourn to India during the first quarter of 1968.  Obviously spending their time in the foothills of the Himalayas living a very stripped back lifestyle only afforded them few comforts of home one of which were their acoustic guitars.  So John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison wrote a lot of songs there all of which could be easily replicated with sparse backing.  Although they obviously did embellish some of the songs once they began recording the album in May of 1968, a lot of the songs retained their sparse and basic spirit in which they were composed in.
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« Reply #226 on: August 06, 2013, 04:15:21 PM »

I seem to recall reading somewhere that John had also grown tired of highly-produced stuff and wanted to go back to "the basics." The plain, unadorned cover of the album was symbolic of that move I think, too.
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« Reply #227 on: August 06, 2013, 06:10:43 PM »

I seem to recall reading somewhere that John had also grown tired of highly-produced stuff and wanted to go back to "the basics." The plain, unadorned cover of the album was symbolic of that move I think, too.

I've seen that quote ascribed to a lot of different time periods though.  I think the main issue is that John Lennon was never a fan of production.  I think George Martin has even been quoted as saying that John Lennon came up to him around the time of "Let It Be" and told him "We don't want any of your production garbage" or something of that nature.  As talented as John Lennon was in other avenues as far as creativity and musicianship went, he preferred to leave the production work in the studio to someone else whether it be George Martin, Phil Spector or whomever.  He would basically give the producer or arranger a very general idea of what he wanted and tell them to make it so.  Then they would come back to him with their wares and he would either say ya or nay. 
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« Reply #228 on: August 06, 2013, 07:30:29 PM »

This thread is a real treat by the way.

I will also add that Revolver is my favourite album by anyone.

I will also add that while The White Album is back to basics in the sense that it is not as overblown as Pepper, it is also anything but basic and not as "roots" oriented as something like John Wesley Harding or basic rock and roll oriented as something like Wild Honey. I think that The White Album is definitely The Beatles at their weirdest and most bizarre and it is ultimately their most anti-commercial album. And I love it. The White Album is what you play in order to say, "You think you know The Beatles? Well, listen to this!"
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« Reply #229 on: August 06, 2013, 08:33:13 PM »

I knew a guy once who said he hated the Beatles ... except for the White Album.

Come to think of it, I seem to recall meeting someone else who told me that, too.

White Album is a great album, but it's only maybe #5 or so on my ranking list of Beatles albums.
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« Reply #230 on: August 06, 2013, 08:43:13 PM »

Just listened to it all the way through. I quite like it but Revolution #9 can only be listened to once for me. The good songs on there are pretty bad ass and make up for the weaker cuts.

Really, the only album I'm not digging is Let it Be. When I hit my second listen hopefully that will change
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« Reply #231 on: August 06, 2013, 09:03:13 PM »

Just listened to it all the way through. I quite like it but Revolution #9 can only be listened to once for me. The good songs on there are pretty bad ass and make up for the weaker cuts.

Really, the only album I'm not digging is Let it Be. When I hit my second listen hopefully that will change

"Let It Be" is a bit of an acquired taste.  What you need to know going in is first off it's the one Beatles album that the band couldn't be bothered with to complete properly.  They pawned it off on others (most notably Phil Spector) to bring to it's conclusion and by the time it was released, the band was no more anyhow.  The other thing worth knowing is not only is it the record that basically broke the band but is also the record where John Lennon was strung out on heroin for much of it's creation, which explains his lackluster contributions to the record.  George Harrison's best work from the period when "Let It Be" was being recorded was left off the record in favor of two substandard Harisongs.  Paul McCartney as customary shines throughout however and it is his compositions which save "Let It Be" from the abysmal fate it could've potentially endured.
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« Reply #232 on: August 06, 2013, 09:31:05 PM »

The most Pet Sounds influenced thing The Beatles ever did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxb0ecs2NsE

sounds more like Friends to me....pretty awesome. There's an alternate version of Here There & Everywhere that actually prefer to the released version

This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT-BRsxOtz8
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« Reply #233 on: August 06, 2013, 09:54:28 PM »

I feel the same way about the alternate take of "Here, There And Everywhere".  It's vastly superior in my opinion to the version that is on "Revolver" which unfortunately in my opinion suffers from a great deal of overproduction.  The harmonies are just far too lush and layered whereas on the alternate take they are scaled back appropriately.  I like Macca's scratch vocal on the alternate take too.  He sings the song in a slightly higher registrar than on the "Revolver" version and I always preferred it that way.
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« Reply #234 on: August 06, 2013, 09:56:09 PM »

The most Pet Sounds influenced thing The Beatles ever did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxb0ecs2NsE

Actually with the long organ notes I'd say that that alternate take sounds more like a Smiley Smile track. I'd say this has more of a Pet Sounds feel, especially Here Today.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHwLPJ_0LYY
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« Reply #235 on: August 06, 2013, 10:03:28 PM »

Holy sh*t...Helter Skelter is BAD ASS. I've heard of balls to the wall but this is DICKS TO THE BRICKS. Damn this band was kickass. On the compilation I made for my wife this is followed by I Want You (She's so Heavy) and the result is hypnotically enticing. I just had an eargasm.

Thank you guys for helping turn me on to this wonderful band of geniuses.
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« Reply #236 on: August 06, 2013, 10:08:27 PM »

Clapton's Guitar - While My Guitar Gently Weeps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzDyycsXmN0

A bit sloppy playing, actually, but it worked out great anyway. Can't notice the sloppiness behind the vocals.
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« Reply #237 on: August 06, 2013, 10:08:51 PM »

Holy sh*t...Helter Skelter is BAD ASS. I've heard of balls to the wall but this is DICKS TO THE BRICKS.

Now check out modern day McCartney KILL "Skelter".. he can still hit the high notes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um7iNmIJ0tU
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« Reply #238 on: August 06, 2013, 10:09:28 PM »

Holy sh*t...Helter Skelter is BAD ASS. I've heard of balls to the wall but this is DICKS TO THE BRICKS. Damn this band was kickass. On the compilation I made for my wife this is followed by I Want You (She's so Heavy) and the result is hypnotically enticing. I just had an eargasm.

Thank you guys for helping turn me on to this wonderful band of geniuses.

Jeez, the turn around on your opinion of this band is surprising. But, I guess it goes to show that they truly made some great music.

Also, the story goes that Paul wrote "Helter Skelter" in reaction to The Who's "I Can See for Miles," which is crazy to think about because "Helter Skelter" blows that song out of the water.

I think it shows that Paul has a great songwriting range if he could put "Honey Pie," "Blackbird," and "Helter Skelter" all on the same album. Even "Hey Jude" came from the White Album sessions.
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« Reply #239 on: August 06, 2013, 10:10:35 PM »

The most Pet Sounds influenced thing The Beatles ever did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxb0ecs2NsE

sounds more like Friends to me....pretty awesome. There's an alternate version of Here There & Everywhere that actually prefer to the released version

This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT-BRsxOtz8
Oh man, when my dad and I first heard that version it was like a gift from God himself.  Grin
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« Reply #240 on: August 06, 2013, 10:20:25 PM »

BTW, if you're listening only to the Parlaphone albums, you're going to miss a few songs released only as singles, and/or which appeared only on the American versions of the albums.

This, IMO, was a notable artistic breakthrough in '65 and one of my favorite Beatle songs: We Can Work It Out. Best played loud or on headphones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0kKjDmiypY

Rain, an even bigger artistic breakthrough in '66, recorded between Rubber Soul and Revolver. Prelude to stuff on Revolver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQCwSqyaRo0

One of the least known Beatle songs - Hey Bulldog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8DfB-wqp5g

Fun kid's song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdo7T9BkxM

It's All Too Much, another lesser-known song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oes9_poAIg
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« Reply #241 on: August 06, 2013, 10:22:50 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT-BRsxOtz8

Check this one out!!! SFF
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« Reply #242 on: August 06, 2013, 10:25:15 PM »

Personally I like the "official" version of Here, There and Everywhere best. It's such a big departure from the rest of Revolver that it really does a fantastic job of adding something different.
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« Reply #243 on: August 06, 2013, 10:28:59 PM »

Holy sh*t...Helter Skelter is BAD ASS. I've heard of balls to the wall but this is DICKS TO THE BRICKS. Damn this band was kickass. On the compilation I made for my wife this is followed by I Want You (She's so Heavy) and the result is hypnotically enticing. I just had an eargasm.

Thank you guys for helping turn me on to this wonderful band of geniuses.

I think it shows that Paul has a great songwriting range if he could put "Honey Pie," "Blackbird," and "Helter Skelter" all on the same album. Even "Hey Jude" came from the White Album sessions.

Yep but nothing trumps "Yesterday", "I'm Down" and "I've Just Seen A Face" all recorded on the SAME DAY!  June 14, 1965.  A pretty impressive day's work from a working musician. 
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« Reply #244 on: August 06, 2013, 10:35:28 PM »

OK, this is a MUST-WATCH. First take of "I'm Looking Through You." I can't decide whether I like this version better, or the released version. I like the middle-8 in the released version (which this lacks), but much of the rest of this version is really, really good. I particularly like the verses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IIvxT_Dow4

Compare to the released version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KulSQjjQVPE

I had a friend in college who thought this song was, like, the culmination of human civilization, or something.
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« Reply #245 on: August 06, 2013, 10:40:34 PM »

BTW, if you're listening only to the Parlaphone albums, you're going to miss a few songs released only as singles, and/or which appeared only on the American versions of the albums.

This, IMO, was a notable artistic breakthrough in '65 and one of my favorite Beatle songs: We Can Work It Out. Best played loud or on headphones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0kKjDmiypY

Rain, an even bigger artistic breakthrough in '66, recorded between Rubber Soul and Revolver. Prelude to stuff on Revolver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQCwSqyaRo0

One of the least known Beatle songs - Hey Bulldog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8DfB-wqp5g

Fun kid's song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdo7T9BkxM

It's All Too Much, another lesser-known song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oes9_poAIg


Don't forget about these:

I Feel Fine, including what may be the first use of feedback in a song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXU5hzgxpUY

Day Tripper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhdPDI9OeY8

Paperback Writer, the other side of the Rain single
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6H2tQCaOA

Lady Madonna, a great piano driven White Album-era single
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfthrizXKOM

Revolution, the more "rocking" version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF_TdJv4nQ0

Don't Let Me Down, great Let It Be outtake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB9tqgdCt5I

The Ballad of John and Yoko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY-ftTvsC7M

And this oddity, You Know My Name...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DkaRUtp3w8
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« Reply #246 on: August 06, 2013, 10:43:20 PM »

BTW, if you're listening only to the Parlaphone albums, you're going to miss a few songs released only as singles, and/or which appeared only on the American versions of the albums.

This, IMO, was a notable artistic breakthrough in '65 and one of my favorite Beatle songs: We Can Work It Out. Best played loud or on headphones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0kKjDmiypY

Rain, an even bigger artistic breakthrough in '66, recorded between Rubber Soul and Revolver. Prelude to stuff on Revolver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQCwSqyaRo0

One of the least known Beatle songs - Hey Bulldog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8DfB-wqp5g

Fun kid's song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdo7T9BkxM

It's All Too Much, another lesser-known song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oes9_poAIg


Don't forget about these:

I Feel Fine, including what may be the first use of feedback in a song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXU5hzgxpUY

Day Tripper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhdPDI9OeY8

Paperback Writer, the other side of the Rain single
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6H2tQCaOA

Lady Madonna, a great piano driven White Album-era single
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfthrizXKOM

Revolution, the more "rocking" version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF_TdJv4nQ0

Don't Let Me Down, great Let It Be outtake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB9tqgdCt5I

The Ballad of John and Yoko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY-ftTvsC7M

And this oddity, You Know My Name...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DkaRUtp3w8

One of my favorite George songs, a real deep cut. Epic bassline in the chorus too...Old Brown Shoe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x0FUZgbtHc
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« Reply #247 on: August 06, 2013, 10:44:18 PM »

@Bubbly,

Yeah I knew I was forgetting several. Thanks!

I Feel Fine is awesome!
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« Reply #248 on: August 06, 2013, 10:45:42 PM »

All of the other stuff is on Past Masters.
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« Reply #249 on: August 06, 2013, 10:46:22 PM »


Also, the story goes that Paul wrote "Helter Skelter" in reaction to The Who's "I Can See for Miles," which is crazy to think about because "Helter Skelter" blows that song out of the water.


He saw Pete Townshend had said it was one of the grittiest sounding songs ever written...so Paul said "f*** that" and then Helter Skelter.
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