Landlocked

[Amazing Larry]

Andrew Doe told me (on multiple occasions, often-times completely unprompted and even the occasional 3am phone call just as a "friendly" reminder) that there was no Landlocked album. I don't understand how you guys can go on about something that's not real. There was no Landlocked album. Please see to it that this thread is destroyed, moderators.

*Riiiiing* *Riiiiiiing* (Checks caller ID and picks up the phone) "What the hell do you want Andrew, it's 3 AM over here." "There was never a 'Landlocked' album." (Andrew hangs up)

[Micha]

Andrew Doe told me (on multiple occasions, often-times completely unprompted and even the occasional 3am phone call just as a "friendly" reminder) that there was no Landlocked album. I don't understand how you guys can go on about something that's not real. There was no Landlocked album. Please see to it that this thread is destroyed, moderators.

I commonly refer to Landlocked as "the collection of songs commonly referred to as 'Landlocked'" in order not to make the impression I didn't no there never really was a Landlocked album.

I LOVE the collection of songs commonly referred to as "Landlocked"!

[runnersdialzero]

The collection formerly known as "Landlocked". We could just call it ∅, really.

Man, I love the songs on ∅.

[runnersdialzero]

Andrew Doe told me (on multiple occasions, often-times completely unprompted and even the occasional 3am phone call just as a "friendly" reminder) that there was no Landlocked album. I don't understand how you guys can go on about something that's not real. There was no Landlocked album. Please see to it that this thread is destroyed, moderators.

That was in 1985, right?

Yes. Ever since I was a baby up until this day.

[Bicyclerider]

Since Andrew's not around to correct what I am sure is probably an inaccurate account, let me put in my 2 cents about Landlocked - my understanding is that Landlocked was one title considered for the post Sunflower album that ultimately became Surf's Up.  A tape (2 tapes actually) of potential songs for the "Landlocked"/"Next Album"project was compiled with songs new and old (unused songs from the "Last Capitol Album" and the first iteration of Sunflower, Add Some Music)  was compiled by Stephen Desper.  Now this is the controversial point - Stephen has said that this tape/tapes WAS played for Reprise execs to preview the material for the next album, although others are skeptical.  I see no reason why he would say this unless it were true. There is that mockup Landlocked cover with titles completely unrelated to the Beach Boys (they were taken from a country western album) - which would indicate that Landlocked was indeed considered as a title enough for the art department to work something like that up.

[runnersdialzero]

It's been said that the Landlocked title was not an invention of anyone in the band, but of someone else who would have no say in the matter (I forget who, specifically). There was never going to be an album called Landlocked, seemingly.

[Micha]

The collection formerly known as "Landlocked". We could just call it ∅, really.

Man, I love the songs on ∅.

How do you pronounce "∅"?

Stephen has said that this tape/tapes WAS played for Reprise execs to preview the material for the next album, although others are skeptical.  I see no reason why he would say this unless it were true. There is that mockup Landlocked cover with titles completely unrelated to the Beach Boys (they were taken from a country western album) - which would indicate that Landlocked was indeed considered as a title enough for the art department to work something like that up.

Hey, I didn't know that! This story about the previewing is not in conflict with the notion that the Landlocked tape(s) wasn't considered to be a finished album though, I think.

In what way do the two tapes differ? I didn't know there were two tapes.

And where can one see the mock-up cover you mention?

[Bicyclerider]

The songs under consideration were spread over two tapes - somewhere I have which songs were on which tape.

Can't remember if the Landlocked mockup was in Leaf's book or Preiss's. 

Someone at Capitol might have come up with the Landlocked idea without band input - if that's the case it was perhaps briefly a "working" title within Capitol only.  So you can view Landlocked as a working title for " the next Beach Boys album" with a set of tapes with songs under consideration for that album.  When they decided what was going on the next album (and at Van Dyke's suggestion resurrected Surf's Up) the appropriate title became obvious.

[Beach Head]

[Micha]

COOL!!!!

Now that seems to be one tape, what would be on the second?

[Bicyclerider]

Interesting that Landlocked is actually on the tape box - Andrew's website suggests the tape box was titled "2nd Warner Brothers LP" or "2nd Brother album.". It is in parentheses, no doubt to it be only a provisional title.

The Landlocked mockup is in Leaf's book.  Some think it may be a fan hoax. 

[Bicyclerider]

COOL!!!!

Now that seems to be one tape, what would be on the second?

The second tape only had three or four songs on it that wouldn't fit on the first tape.  I think Walkin' and Back Home were on it. 

[Mikie]

Interesting titbits:

1. The memo letterhead is Capitiol Recording Studios.
2. The client is Warners, so evidently they already signed the contract with Mo.
3. Most, if not all, of those songs were recorded up at Brian's house (or Heider's) were they not?
4. With exception to Carnival & Big Sur (4/4), all of the songs on that list have seen the light of day.

[Beach Head]

In regard to the photo above ...

That's the track sheet that was included with a 15ips tape that was purchased some years ago by the late Derek Bill. He acquired it from (I think) Rockaway Records out in L.A. I have no idea what happened to the tape or where it is now. (And, no, I was never able to get a dub, so don't bother to PM me about it. )

[Micha]

Hmmm... why does it say "Unreleased" on that sheet? If that was used for playing the tape for execs, that would be clear anyway. Makes me think right now that this may be a bootleggers' mockup, because that's an interesting information for the buyers.

[Beach Head]

Hmmm... why does it say "Unreleased" on that sheet? If that was used for playing the tape for execs, that would be clear anyway. Makes me think right now that this may be a bootleggers' mockup, because that's an interesting information for the buyers.

Don't know if it was a "bootleg" or not, but I can vouch for the fact that the 15 ips tape to which it was attached did indeed exist. Derek showed it to me probably 15-20 years ago. Also, I've heard from a third party with a bit more information, and it seems Derek actually returned it to Brian Wilson in the late 1990s. I don't know if that solidifies its validity or not. For what it's worth, at the time I saw it, Derek had not played the tape, as he didn't have a 15 ips half-track reel-to-reel machine. So, for all I know, the tape could have been blank. (I never did hear whether he was able to play it and check it out.)

[Vegetable Man]

On a slightly different note, may I ask what they were thinking when they recorded "Carnival"? And why did they try to put it on an album? I mean, the effects used on it are kinda fun and all, but man, what a strange piece of music. I listened to it with headphones a while back and nearly got sick. It's like "My Solution", but worse.

[Nicko1234]

Is Mike credited as a co-writer on I`ve Just Got My Pay on the box set?

[Micha]

On a slightly different note, may I ask what they were thinking when they recorded "Carnival"? And why did they try to put it on an album? I mean, the effects used on it are kinda fun and all, but man, what a strange piece of music. I listened to it with headphones a while back and nearly got sick. It's like "My Solution", but worse.

I think the person to answer that is Stephen Desper. I suspect the sound effect was there first, it makes you feel like you're sitting in a carousel. That's why they recorded the well known "Carnival" music onto it. It's "Amusement Parks U.S.A." kind of musique concrete like. It's an experimental piece, so it's bound to be strange.

[TV Forces]

The collection formerly known as "Landlocked". We could just call it ∅, really.

Man, I love the songs on ∅.

Can't do that because then Andrew will yell at us because there was never an album planned called ∅ and how dare we find some innocent way to refer to a set of songs.

There actually is an interview in the Badman book where Carl says their next album is tentatively titled "Landlocked."

[drbeachboy]

The collection formerly known as "Landlocked". We could just call it ∅, really.

Man, I love the songs on ∅.

Can't do that because then Andrew will yell at us because there was never an album planned called ∅ and how dare we find some innocent way to refer to a set of songs.

There actually is an interview in the Badman book where Carl says their next album is tentatively titled "Landlocked."

Go ahead, it's OK, Andrew's not here at the moment. LANDLOCKED, there, I said it.

btw, I always thought that "Landlocked" is a great title for a Beach Boys album.

[Dancing Bear]

The collection formerly known as "Landlocked". We could just call it ∅, really.

Man, I love the songs on ∅.

Can't do that because then Andrew will yell at us because there was never an album planned called ∅ and how dare we find some innocent way to refer to a set of songs.

There actually is an interview in the Badman book where Carl says their next album is tentatively titled "Landlocked."

Maybe that desert photo in the Surf's Up album inset had something to do with it.

[Smilin Ed H]

I always assumed Carnival to be a fun ditty, maybe an used as an intro.