3 (Potential) Brian Wilson LPs

[Generation42]

That's a good point.   

[TimmyC]

I'm more than happy that this is solely a Brian Wilson project...where Brian's vision isn't skewed by shitty band politics and more stupid drama. Yeah, I'll miss their voices (especially Bruce's), but I won't be crying about it...Brian Wilson (the creator of Pet Sounds and Smile) is in the studio working his ass off on an album; "I'm on a roll. I have so many songs, I can't believe it." This man, now 71 and full of energy, was close to death at numerous times in his life...we should be thankful he's even making music anymore.

He said the same thing in the mid-90s about the Paley sessions. So....

[TimmyC]

3 albums - not ONE for the Beach Boys? what a drag...

Hey, look at it this way-you can follow myKe and Brooth around and even hear Bea Tru Tu Yur Skool with the lovester's infamous intro. And.......it's the Beach Boys to boot!!

I CAN'T AFFORD TO!!!!!!! $70 a ticket.... WTF??

[Wirestone]

I'm more than happy that this is solely a Brian Wilson project...where Brian's vision isn't skewed by shitty band politics and more stupid drama. Yeah, I'll miss their voices (especially Bruce's), but I won't be crying about it...Brian Wilson (the creator of Pet Sounds and Smile) is in the studio working his ass off on an album; "I'm on a roll. I have so many songs, I can't believe it." This man, now 71 and full of energy, was close to death at numerous times in his life...we should be thankful he's even making music anymore.

He said the same thing in the mid-90s about the Paley sessions. So....

It was true, too. Your point?

[rab2591]

Great moderating. Can we have one thread without this argument?

Thank you for your approval of my moderation. Oh, and...what argument? Unless you call destroying a ridiculous claim that the end date of the 50th Anniversary was "band politics" to be an argument.

I never made such a claim in the first place I was referring to the artistic vision of the band - the give and take over the songs selected to be used on TWGMTR.

[Shady]

Metropolis sounds like a pleasure island track name

[Les P]

3 albums - not ONE for the Beach Boys? what a drag...

We're just going to have to come to the realization that other than the 50th anniversary, it's not going to happen again. That is my stance and I hate to take it because I want these albums to be BB albums with Mike and Bruce involved, but if both parties or one party isn't going to agree, then this is how it is going to have to be. If having Al and David on the albums with Brian is the closest we can get to the BB sound, then that'll have to be it. I just hope it's good and that JT doesn't mess the vocals up. Mike and Bruce can continue playing Barbara Ann and Kokomo until their faces turn blue. I also hate saying that, but this is apparently what it has come down to.

Despite what is being said here, I'm still expecting to hear one more new album from The Beach Boys.

I am very happy about the Brian solo album(s), yet I wouldn't be surprised if there is one more BB album, if only because of $$$.  The June 2012 Rolling Stone article said 28 tracks were cut for TWGMTR.  Thirteen (assuming DIA was part of that group) were released.  If there are leftovers that already have Beach Boys vocals on them, I believe Capitol and the group would choose to monetize those in the most profitable way, which would be releasing them as The Beach Boys.  

[Wirestone]

3 albums - not ONE for the Beach Boys? what a drag...

We're just going to have to come to the realization that other than the 50th anniversary, it's not going to happen again. That is my stance and I hate to take it because I want these albums to be BB albums with Mike and Bruce involved, but if both parties or one party isn't going to agree, then this is how it is going to have to be. If having Al and David on the albums with Brian is the closest we can get to the BB sound, then that'll have to be it. I just hope it's good and that JT doesn't mess the vocals up. Mike and Bruce can continue playing Barbara Ann and Kokomo until their faces turn blue. I also hate saying that, but this is apparently what it has come down to.

Despite what is being said here, I'm still expecting to hear one more new album from The Beach Boys.

I am very happy about the Brian solo album(s), yet I wouldn't be surprised if there is one more BB album, if only because of $$$.  The June 2012 Rolling Stone article said 28 tracks were cut for TWGMTR.  Thirteen (assuming DIA was part of that group) were released.  If there are leftovers that already have Beach Boys vocals on them, I believe Capitol and the group would choose to monetize those in the most profitable way, which would be releasing them as The Beach Boys.  

Yeah, but there's no indication all of those tracks were finished. Several of them were most likely for the suite, which it seems like Brian plans to release on his own. Given those factors, it would probably take extra studio time to finish another album, and more deference to Brian's people. Mike seems to have had his fill of that. And they would then be expected to promote the record, which, again, Mike seems to currently not have any patience for.

Finally, the band completed Soul Searchin' and You're Still A Mystery in the mid-90s (and a couple of other songs, from the sound of it), and we didn't see those for 18 years. So I don't think they really care, either.

[Kurosawa]

Just the fact that Brian is this enthusiastic and productive is great to see. I'm expecting very good things.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Metropolis sounds like a pleasure island track name

... or a Jeff Beck track.

[Les P]

3 albums - not ONE for the Beach Boys? what a drag...

We're just going to have to come to the realization that other than the 50th anniversary, it's not going to happen again. That is my stance and I hate to take it because I want these albums to be BB albums with Mike and Bruce involved, but if both parties or one party isn't going to agree, then this is how it is going to have to be. If having Al and David on the albums with Brian is the closest we can get to the BB sound, then that'll have to be it. I just hope it's good and that JT doesn't mess the vocals up. Mike and Bruce can continue playing Barbara Ann and Kokomo until their faces turn blue. I also hate saying that, but this is apparently what it has come down to.

Despite what is being said here, I'm still expecting to hear one more new album from The Beach Boys.

I am very happy about the Brian solo album(s), yet I wouldn't be surprised if there is one more BB album, if only because of $$$.  The June 2012 Rolling Stone article said 28 tracks were cut for TWGMTR.  Thirteen (assuming DIA was part of that group) were released.  If there are leftovers that already have Beach Boys vocals on them, I believe Capitol and the group would choose to monetize those in the most profitable way, which would be releasing them as The Beach Boys.  

Yeah, but there's no indication all of those tracks were finished. Several of them were most likely for the suite, which it seems like Brian plans to release on his own. Given those factors, it would probably take extra studio time to finish another album, and more deference to Brian's people. Mike seems to have had his fill of that. And they would then be expected to promote the record, which, again, Mike seems to currently not have any patience for.

Finally, the band completed Soul Searchin' and You're Still A Mystery in the mid-90s (and a couple of other songs, from the sound of it), and we didn't see those for 18 years. So I don't think they really care, either.

It's true, we don't know how many were finished.  But IF there are BB vocals on some of the remaining suite tracks, would Brian (figuratively) wipe the BB vocals to release them as solo (and maybe he would, since he did it with "Soul Searchin'")?  Still, "Easy money, ain't life funny?"...if another BB album happens, it will probably be because the money is too good to ignore.   If there's not one, I'm OK with that.  I'm happy to be hearing new BW music and particularly excited by Brian working with Beck, Al and David.

[punkinhead]

I'm excited! I feel like with Brian at the helm, and it not being Beach boys project, it'll come out when he says it will. When I read organ/instrumental, Shortenin Bread riff came to mind.

About the so called hype, we all know how they hyped GIOMH and we all know what happened when it came out. But I think lessons have been learned since then.

[Wirestone]

GIOMH was not actually hyped. At all. There was a single video on Brian's website. Trust me on this -- the only thing people cared about at the time were the live performances of Smile, and the fact that it was coming out as an actual album. That's one of the reasons GIOMH was slammed the way it was: An album of warbly vocals on 50s-style tunes was not what fans wanted from the man in the summer of 2004.

[Jonathan Blum]

I am very happy about the Brian solo album(s), yet I wouldn't be surprised if there is one more BB album, if only because of $$$.  The June 2012 Rolling Stone article said 28 tracks were cut for TWGMTR.  Thirteen (assuming DIA was part of that group) were released.  If there are leftovers that already have Beach Boys vocals on them, I believe Capitol and the group would choose to monetize those in the most profitable way, which would be releasing them as The Beach Boys.

More basically than that -- you know why Lindsey Buckingham didn't put out a solo album for more than twenty years?  It was cause every time he had one underway, the record labels kept saying "Great!  Now just put the rest of Fleetwood Mac on there, and we'll shift a million units!"

And usually, they were right.

Capitol may well end up leaning on either Brian or Mike (or both) to turn some of this new solo stuff into Beach Boys tracks...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

[Jim V.]

I am very happy about the Brian solo album(s), yet I wouldn't be surprised if there is one more BB album, if only because of $$$.  The June 2012 Rolling Stone article said 28 tracks were cut for TWGMTR.  Thirteen (assuming DIA was part of that group) were released.  If there are leftovers that already have Beach Boys vocals on them, I believe Capitol and the group would choose to monetize those in the most profitable way, which would be releasing them as The Beach Boys.

More basically than that -- you know why Lindsey Buckingham didn't put out a solo album for more than twenty years?  It was cause every time he had one underway, the record labels kept saying "Great!  Now just put the rest of Fleetwood Mac on there, and we'll shift a million units!"

And usually, they were right.

Capitol may well end up leaning on either Brian or Mike (or both) to turn some of this new solo stuff into Beach Boys tracks...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Ya know, I've been thinking that too. And that exact same comparison.

This really could be just like Fleetwood Mac.

Think about what happened for the Say You Will album to come about. Buckingham was recording tracks with Mick Fleetwood and John McVie (with Christine McVie on a few things) for a solo album and then their label (or managment, whoever) told him that if he put his stuff with Stevie Nicks latest stuff, they could put out a Fleetwood Mac album and likely sell much more than a Lindsey Buckingham album. And even though I'm a huge Lindsey fan, I'm not gonna deny that a lot more people got to hear his songs that ended up on Say You Will than if he had put them on a solo album. The band is just much more bankable.

Now look at Brian. Well, at first this story seems a bit different, as it seems he did originally wanna do a new Beach Boys album (a "rock 'n roll record") Now, for whatever reason that didn't happen. And now he's working in the studio with Al and Dave. And this is where the Fleetwood thing seems kinda similar again. So you got Al and Dave there already. And it sounds like Al is pretty heavily involved, which sounds great to me. And don't get me wrong, I think the next album of (mostly?) Brian Wilson originals will nominally be a Brian Wilson solo album. But I wouldn't doubt that if he has as much material as he says, and they have a lot of that work from the TWGMTR sessions. Actually, wouldn't a finished release of "the suite" nicely coincide with the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds and the recording of The SMiLE Sessions?

Hmmm....

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Metropolis sounds like a pleasure island track name

Working title: "Run, Superman, Run"

[punkinhead]

GIOMH was not actually hyped. At all. There was a single video on Brian's website. Trust me on this -- the only thing people cared about at the time were the live performances of Smile, and the fact that it was coming out as an actual album. That's one of the reasons GIOMH was slammed the way it was: An album of warbly vocals on 50s-style tunes was not what fans wanted from the man in the summer of 2004.

Well, to me, the guest artist tracks being the one thing to promote and half those tracks didnt deserve bragging rights.  (I'm honestly not trying to argue, it's an old topic that nobody really cares about, let alone off topic here, so I'll stop)

I remember posting about how GIOMH was a way of Brian showing what he can do with older material (besides BWPS).

[TimmyC]

I'm more than happy that this is solely a Brian Wilson project...where Brian's vision isn't skewed by shitty band politics and more stupid drama. Yeah, I'll miss their voices (especially Bruce's), but I won't be crying about it...Brian Wilson (the creator of Pet Sounds and Smile) is in the studio working his ass off on an album; "I'm on a roll. I have so many songs, I can't believe it." This man, now 71 and full of energy, was close to death at numerous times in his life...we should be thankful he's even making music anymore.

He said the same thing in the mid-90s about the Paley sessions. So....

It was true, too. Your point?

My point, WIRESTONE, is that just because BW says he has thirty songs or whatever doesn't mean anything will actually come of it. I mean, its not like this is something new. This has happened before and nothing came of it. I'm just pointing that out. just read through this and it sounds like a similar story (I'm sure everyone has read this a thousand times): http://smileysmile.net/OLDlibrary/timeline.html (absolutely fascinating reading by the way)

[Les P]

I am very happy about the Brian solo album(s), yet I wouldn't be surprised if there is one more BB album, if only because of $$$.  The June 2012 Rolling Stone article said 28 tracks were cut for TWGMTR.  Thirteen (assuming DIA was part of that group) were released.  If there are leftovers that already have Beach Boys vocals on them, I believe Capitol and the group would choose to monetize those in the most profitable way, which would be releasing them as The Beach Boys.

More basically than that -- you know why Lindsey Buckingham didn't put out a solo album for more than twenty years?  It was cause every time he had one underway, the record labels kept saying "Great!  Now just put the rest of Fleetwood Mac on there, and we'll shift a million units!"

And usually, they were right.

Capitol may well end up leaning on either Brian or Mike (or both) to turn some of this new solo stuff into Beach Boys tracks...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Ya know, I've been thinking that too. And that exact same comparison.

This really could be just like Fleetwood Mac.

Think about what happened for the Say You Will album to come about. Buckingham was recording tracks with Mick Fleetwood and John McVie (with Christine McVie on a few things) for a solo album and then their label (or managment, whoever) told him that if he put his stuff with Stevie Nicks latest stuff, they could put out a Fleetwood Mac album and likely sell much more than a Lindsey Buckingham album. And even though I'm a huge Lindsey fan, I'm not gonna deny that a lot more people got to hear his songs that ended up on Say You Will than if he had put them on a solo album. The band is just much more bankable.

Now look at Brian. Well, at first this story seems a bit different, as it seems he did originally wanna do a new Beach Boys album (a "rock 'n roll record") Now, for whatever reason that didn't happen. And now he's working in the studio with Al and Dave. And this is where the Fleetwood thing seems kinda similar again. So you got Al and Dave there already. And it sounds like Al is pretty heavily involved, which sounds great to me. And don't get me wrong, I think the next album of (mostly?) Brian Wilson originals will nominally be a Brian Wilson solo album. But I wouldn't doubt that if he has as much material as he says, and they have a lot of that work from the TWGMTR sessions. Actually, wouldn't a finished release of "the suite" nicely coincide with the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds and the recording of The SMiLE Sessions?

Hmmm....

Or even sooner, the media attention generated by a Brian Wilson biopic and autobiography?  Mike might agree to Brian's terms to finish a BB album if there were a decent payday involved.  I wouldn't be surprised if Brian hangs on to any unreleased TWGMTR tracks and waits to see how things play out. It sounds like he has plenty of other material to release in the interim.

[Wirestone]

I'm more than happy that this is solely a Brian Wilson project...where Brian's vision isn't skewed by shitty band politics and more stupid drama. Yeah, I'll miss their voices (especially Bruce's), but I won't be crying about it...Brian Wilson (the creator of Pet Sounds and Smile) is in the studio working his ass off on an album; "I'm on a roll. I have so many songs, I can't believe it." This man, now 71 and full of energy, was close to death at numerous times in his life...we should be thankful he's even making music anymore.

He said the same thing in the mid-90s about the Paley sessions. So....

It was true, too. Your point?

My point, WIRESTONE, is that just because BW says he has thirty songs or whatever doesn't mean anything will actually come of it. I mean, its not like this is something new. This has happened before and nothing came of it. I'm just pointing that out. just read through this and it sounds like a similar story (I'm sure everyone has read this a thousand times): http://smileysmile.net/OLDlibrary/timeline.html (absolutely fascinating reading by the way)

I'm aware of the history of the Paley sessions. Brian and Andy also couldn't get a record deal with those songs. No one was interested.

In this case, BW has already signed with Capitol to release these new tunes as a solo album. It's an entirely different story.

[bossaroo]

such tremendous news. and on Brian's birthday. let summer begin!!!

this article is the antidote to the enormous bummer Mike pulled when he refused to do any more dates with his cousin and fellow bandmates. Brian is full of new music, just as he was full of enthusiasm and pride to be back in the Beach Boys, back on top, touring the world, kicking ass and taking names.

anyone who wants to sit and lament the fact that these THREE(!!!) album's worth of material aren't "Beach Boy" records needs to face the fact that there is only one person responsible for that happening. And anyway, Brian IS the Beach Boys... so these are Beach Boys albums after all. Mike and Bruce are not worth the hassle. They can have Stamos, the rest of the us get BRIAN F*CKING WILSON. And Al. And Dave. And Jeff Beck of all people... why the hell not??!!!

[ontor pertawst]

I had to reread your message twice, the second time imagining really stirring, patriotic music swelling. DAMN STRAIGHT!

[Andrew G. Doe]

such tremendous news. and on Brian's birthday. let summer begin!!!

this article is the antidote to the enormous bummer Mike pulled when he refused to do any more dates with his cousin and fellow bandmates. Brian is full of new music, just as he was full of enthusiasm and pride to be back in the Beach Boys, back on top, touring the world, kicking ass and taking names.

anyone who wants to sit and lament the fact that these THREE(!!!) album's worth of material aren't "Beach Boy" records needs to face the fact that there is only one person responsible for that happening. And anyway, Brian IS the Beach Boys... so these are Beach Boys albums after all. Mike and Bruce are not worth the hassle. They can have Stamos, the rest of the us get BRIAN F*CKING WILSON. And Al. And Dave. And Jeff Beck of all people... why the hell not??!!!

I believe the key word in the thread title is "potential".

[Andrew G. Doe]

GIOMH was not actually hyped. At all. There was a single video on Brian's website. Trust me on this -- the only thing people cared about at the time were the live performances of Smile, and the fact that it was coming out as an actual album. That's one of the reasons GIOMH was slammed the way it was: An album of warbly vocals on 50s-style tunes was not what fans wanted from the man in the summer of 2004.

The other, and overriding, reason was that it sucked.

[Smilin Ed H]

Jeeeeezzzz. Here we go again. Imagine Presley, Sinatra and Billie Holiday come back to earth for three special, intimate concerts at a local bar. Everyone's excited, but you sit there whining because the acoustics are better at the bar down the street. I swear, some people have the lost the art of communication unless it involves arguing. Nothing's happened yet. If it comes out: enjoy it. There's not going to be much more and it isn't going to be as bad as SIP.