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« Reply #1450 on: March 30, 2018, 06:38:16 AM »

In a way, I'd say Brian was the best lyric guy, because he knew who to choose to write 'em.

Trust Brian, he almost always knew best who to use.
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To paste the previous thing I said, am curious about this: Giving song low rating due to it being "out of place" "within context" doesn't make any sense & is very misguided. It's been said at PS' "Discuss BBs Songs" thread by many, especially by poster monolithic/ Nicko1234. What's the entire album got to do with its individual songs discussed daily? Brow If song is good, you like it, what's the problem, agree?
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« Reply #1451 on: March 30, 2018, 06:51:54 AM »

Mike had some massive stinkers and he totally overrelied on the simple themes but he also had some absolute gems.  On a similar path, Brian also had some complete dregs songs but did some wonderful work as well.  What are your top 5 Brian lyrics and top 5 Mike lyrics?  Likewise, what are your bottom 5?  I bet they are pretty comparable, from the standpoint of those mythical ratings of "artistic quality" and "personal preference".
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« Reply #1452 on: March 30, 2018, 11:09:25 AM »

I think VDP's work for (and with) Brian in those early Smile months is fantastic. Their artistic personalities, so different, merged miraculously, and the Smile project was the result. Would it have been completed and released if Van had stayed? Maybe, maybe not.

I'm no big fan of Van's other works, and that includes OCA, but don't agree with the flack he is getting lately, either. I always feel a deep respect and gratitude for the co-author of "H&V", "Surf's Up", "Wonderful" and "Cabin Essence".
 
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« Reply #1453 on: April 01, 2018, 01:50:18 AM »

I think VDP's work for (and with) Brian in those early Smile months is fantastic. Their artistic personalities, so different, merged miraculously, and the Smile project was the result. Would it have been completed and released if Van had stayed? Maybe, maybe not.

I'm no big fan of Van's other works, and that includes OCA, but don't agree with the flack he is getting lately, either. I always feel a deep respect and gratitude for the co-author of "H&V", "Surf's Up", "Wonderful" and "Cabin Essence".
 

  I absolutely and totally agree!  I also like that he tried to encourage Brian to be involved in music again after Landy which I understand was partly what OCA was about.  I think the fact that he left shows the enormous pressure Brian was under to produce something less challenging  to the popular market and I'm saddened that Brian has not had artistic control over his work always or people who were prepared to believe in him and fight his corner.
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« Reply #1454 on: April 09, 2018, 06:29:21 PM »

What are your top 5 Brian lyrics and top 5 Mike lyrics?  Likewise, what are your bottom 5?
There isn't any 5 best Brian & ditto Mike lyrics. See, I care ZERO about lyrics. Van Dyke's "Cabin Essence" is the single great example in any BBs song. It's beautiful, it doesn't make sense which is cool by me.
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« Reply #1455 on: August 03, 2018, 05:57:06 AM »

Since Brian/ M&B don't tour here, deep cuts vs. greatest hits setlist compare points seem trifle. Duh. They'll never get here anyway, why care - is the logic.
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« Reply #1456 on: October 07, 2018, 03:21:00 AM »

Many times smb. mentioned "Drive In", esp. the bit "...you can prevent forest fires", people would giggle as if it's funny lyric. To me, it's dull, nonsensical, if we read the bit with the other lyrics in the song. Like, it's been added randomly to create the rhyme. Yet people weirdly found it funny. The other lyrics people cite as "clever" & "cool" didn't impress either - lyrics in BBs songs & generally. Yep, Iii said it. Stand by it.
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« Reply #1457 on: October 07, 2018, 08:17:41 AM »

Many times smb. mentioned "Drive In", esp. the bit "...you can prevent forest fires", people would giggle as if it's funny lyric. To me, it's dull, nonsensical, if we read the bit with the other lyrics in the song. Like, it's been added randomly to create the rhyme. Yet people weirdly found it funny. The other lyrics people cite as "clever" & "cool" didn't impress either - lyrics in BBs songs & generally. Yep, Iii said it. Stand by it.

It fits the song "Drive-In" - I don't know if you ever had the experience of visiting a drive-in movie theater in your youth, but the one I frequented as a young kid with my family invariably screened a Smokey The Bear public service short, with the tag line "And remember - only YOU can prevent forest fires!" So, it's totally appropriate for that line (said, as Mike does, in a Smokey The Bear voice) to be included in a song called "Drive-In".
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« Reply #1458 on: October 07, 2018, 12:06:10 PM »

Many times smb. mentioned "Drive In", esp. the bit "...you can prevent forest fires", people would giggle as if it's funny lyric. To me, it's dull, nonsensical, if we read the bit with the other lyrics in the song. Like, it's been added randomly to create the rhyme. Yet people weirdly found it funny. The other lyrics people cite as "clever" & "cool" didn't impress either - lyrics in BBs songs & generally. Yep, Iii said it. Stand by it.

It fits the song "Drive-In" - I don't know if you ever had the experience of visiting a drive-in movie theater in your youth, but the one I frequented as a young kid with my family invariably screened a Smokey The Bear public service short, with the tag line "And remember - only YOU can prevent forest fires!" So, it's totally appropriate for that line (said, as Mike does, in a Smokey The Bear voice) to be included in a song called "Drive-In".

Yes, the Smokey thing is indeed accurate but I'm quite sure it alluded to the fact that the drive in was a place to take your date and that things could get quite passionate and "heated up". Back in 1970, I was a manager of a D/I and before I could leave for the night, I had to be sure that every car had exited. I had to knock on quite a few windows to wake up people that had very little to no clothing on.  Shocked
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« Reply #1459 on: October 07, 2018, 12:53:14 PM »

Many times smb. mentioned "Drive In", esp. the bit "...you can prevent forest fires", people would giggle as if it's funny lyric. To me, it's dull, nonsensical, if we read the bit with the other lyrics in the song. Like, it's been added randomly to create the rhyme. Yet people weirdly found it funny. The other lyrics people cite as "clever" & "cool" didn't impress either - lyrics in BBs songs & generally. Yep, Iii said it. Stand by it.

It fits the song "Drive-In" - I don't know if you ever had the experience of visiting a drive-in movie theater in your youth, but the one I frequented as a young kid with my family invariably screened a Smokey The Bear public service short, with the tag line "And remember - only YOU can prevent forest fires!" So, it's totally appropriate for that line (said, as Mike does, in a Smokey The Bear voice) to be included in a song called "Drive-In".

Yes, the Smokey thing is indeed accurate but I'm quite sure it alluded to the fact that the drive in was a place to take your date and that things could get quite passionate and "heated up". Back in 1970, I was a manager of a D/I and before I could leave for the night, I had to be sure that every car had exited. I had to knock on quite a few windows to wake up people that had very little to no clothing on.  Shocked

Oh yeah, I'm quite sure there was double meaning there on Brian and Mike's part. But to call its inclusion in this particular song "nonsensical" - meaning, apparently, in regards to a song about drive-ins...well, in case someone didn't know the background, now they do, and perhaps its inclusion makes more sense.
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« Reply #1460 on: October 07, 2018, 01:13:15 PM »

Drive-ins may be popular in America, not here in Russia. I'm glad, frankly. It seems like boring experience. I don't like going to movies anyway. Maybe the others enjoy such pastime. I prefer buying DVDs - they're cheaper than go watching single film at a time, whilst the DVD will include up to 12 films! - & watch movie without people's annoying talk & munching noises, in complete silence.
So yes, I didn't recognize the Smokey The Bear reference. I've no idea even who or what's Smokey The Bear to be so important that invariably be screened at drive-ins. Weird.
The double meanings, I think, quite frankly are posters' readings, nothing more. Which is fine. Me, I'm very apathetic about double meanings, that's why I'd written people giggled at that lyric when to me it's just dull.

Next - "Kokomo" isn't divisive song. I laugh when fans who like it say fans who dislike it dislike it due its popularity & funny things like if Brian's written it, sang it, they would like it. Since when? Me, I can't stand it. The melody, cheesy arrangement, the entire thing. Carl sings well, sure, but thing is, I really can't stand the song, it's THAT bad to my ears. To listen to song just to hear Carl's bits doesn't make sense.
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« Reply #1461 on: October 07, 2018, 02:13:40 PM »

Drive-ins may be popular in America, not here in Russia. I'm glad, frankly. It seems like boring experience. I don't like going to movies anyway. Maybe the others enjoy such pastime. I prefer buying DVDs - they're cheaper than go watching single film at a time, whilst the DVD will include up to 12 films! - & watch movie without people's annoying talk & munching noises, in complete silence.
So yes, I didn't recognize the Smokey The Bear reference. I've no idea even who or what's Smokey The Bear to be so important that invariably be screened at drive-ins. Weird.
The double meanings, I think, quite frankly are posters' readings, nothing more. Which is fine. Me, I'm very apathetic about double meanings, that's why I'd written people giggled at that lyric when to me it's just dull.

RR, you'll never know what you've missed until you've tried it, although it would be a far cry from the experience during the drive in's heyday which was between 1948 to around the mid 70's. It was neither dull or boring from the time my parents would take us as kids with a pillow and blanket in the back seat to all through high school and beyond. From the playground to the snack bar, it was a hell of a lot of fun. I remember going with my parents to a 6 screen open air just outside of Chicago and being able to see that many movies at one time was surreal even at age 5. Another thing that made it great was the movies were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than they are today. No comparison whatsoever, especially the sci-fi stuff from the 50's. What was really a hoot was waiting for the damn movie to start. Obviously, they had to wait until dark to start the flick and when it didn't, patrons would start leaning on their car horns. What would have been dull and boring would be not having drive ins as one of the many great choices to have fun.
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« Reply #1462 on: October 07, 2018, 02:19:15 PM »

Drive-ins may be popular in America, not here in Russia. I'm glad, frankly. It seems like boring experience. I don't like going to movies anyway. Maybe the others enjoy such pastime. I prefer buying DVDs - they're cheaper than go watching single film at a time, whilst the DVD will include up to 12 films! - & watch movie without people's annoying talk & munching noises, in complete silence.
So yes, I didn't recognize the Smokey The Bear reference. I've no idea even who or what's Smokey The Bear to be so important that invariably be screened at drive-ins. Weird.
The double meanings, I think, quite frankly are posters' readings, nothing more. Which is fine. Me, I'm very apathetic about double meanings, that's why I'd written people giggled at that lyric when to me it's just dull.

RR, you'll never know what you've missed until you've tried it, although it would be a far cry from the experience during the drive in's heyday which was between 1948 to around the mid 70's. It was neither dull or boring from the time my parents would take us as kids with a pillow and blanket in the back seat to all through high school and beyond. From the playground to the snack bar, it was a hell of a lot of fun. I remember going with my parents to a 6 screen open air just outside of Chicago and being able to see that many movies at one time was surreal even at age 5. Another thing that made it great was the movies were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than they are today. No comparison whatsoever, especially the sci-fi stuff from the 50's. What was really a hoot was waiting for the damn movie to start. Obviously, they had to wait until dark to start the flick and when it didn't, patrons would start leaning on their car horns. What would have been dull and boring would be not having drive ins as one of the many great choices to have fun.

Man, that sure brings back some memories - from the pillow and blankets, to the snack bar, etc.!  Fun times in my childhood (say, late '60s to late '70s) - I remember seeing everything from Christopher Lee/Peter Cushing horror movies to James Bond to Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns to Beatles feature marathons. Oh, and the Pink Panther cartoon shorts!  Classic Americana.
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« Reply #1463 on: October 07, 2018, 02:53:14 PM »

2 The LEGENDARY OSD: Thanks to the polite reply. You're very nice. But I like seeing movies in solitude, in the house, place I'm used to, with cozy chair & total silence. I usually see movie with ear buds or Beats by Dr. Dre 'phones. I may've liked drive-in theatre as kid, as they usually like these fun exciting things, eating chocolate bars to boot, everything's allowed. I'd like 50s sci-fi films especially, knowing me that's sure as hell. Today, in present time, I tell you I wouldn't like it, due to reasons I listed above. It's simply not my bag, going by descriptions. It's cool you got such fun mem'ries but frankly am not that easygoing as many of you or "liking communal experience in watching movies" type. Many like going to pictures due to big screen as well. I'm fine with usual screen. The screen size isn't big deal. If picture quality is good - good.
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« Reply #1464 on: October 07, 2018, 02:55:10 PM »

I went to a drive in once as a small kid and all I remember is Ingot ate up by mosquitoes. The next year a storm destroyed the complex. Some clever schlub spray painted Gone with the wind on the marquee
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« Reply #1465 on: October 07, 2018, 02:58:14 PM »

2 The LEGENDARY OSD: Thanks to the polite reply. You're very nice. But I like seeing movies in solitude, in the house, place I'm used to, with cozy chair & total silence. I usually see movie with ear buds or Beats by Dr. Dre 'phones. I may've liked drive-in theatre as kid, as they usually like these fun exciting things, eating chocolate bars to boot, everything's allowed. I'd like 50s sci-fi films especially, knowing me that's sure as hell. Today, in present time, I tell you I wouldn't like it, due to reasons I listed above. It's simply not my bag, going by descriptions. It's cool you got such fun mem'ries but frankly am not that easygoing as many of you or "liking communal experience in watching movies" type. Many like going to pictures due to big screen as well. I'm fine with usual screen. The screen size isn't big deal. If picture quality is good - good.

I don’t enjoy going to the movies anymore. Particularly the high prices but also because I don’t dig much of modern movies anymore especially with the over reliance on cgi. We go once a year on Jaymie’s birthday. In the past it’s become of the despicable me/minions movies or something like that. She’s into horror more than anything else now so next year will be different
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« Reply #1466 on: October 07, 2018, 04:14:08 PM »

2 The LEGENDARY OSD: Thanks to the polite reply. You're very nice. But I like seeing movies in solitude, in the house, place I'm used to, with cozy chair & total silence. I usually see movie with ear buds or Beats by Dr. Dre 'phones. I may've liked drive-in theatre as kid, as they usually like these fun exciting things, eating chocolate bars to boot, everything's allowed. I'd like 50s sci-fi films especially, knowing me that's sure as hell. Today, in present time, I tell you I wouldn't like it, due to reasons I listed above. It's simply not my bag, going by descriptions. It's cool you got such fun mem'ries but frankly am not that easygoing as many of you or "liking communal experience in watching movies" type. Many like going to pictures due to big screen as well. I'm fine with usual screen. The screen size isn't big deal. If picture quality is good - good.

I don’t enjoy going to the movies anymore. Particularly the high prices but also because I don’t dig much of modern movies anymore especially with the over reliance on cgi. We go once a year on Jaymie’s birthday. In the past it’s become of the despicable me/minions movies or something like that. She’s into horror more than anything else now so next year will be different

Ha! The last movie I went to in a theatre was Love and Mercy and I can't see going again in the near future based on what's being offered these days.
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« Reply #1467 on: October 07, 2018, 10:10:14 PM »

The last movie I saw at the theater was Eight Days a Week from two years ago.

If they're going to remaster Let It Be for its 50th anniversary, it'd be great and I'm definitely going to see it, but otherwise, I'm not interested in going see movies anymore.
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« Reply #1468 on: October 08, 2018, 04:28:16 AM »

There was a point when the ‘Unpopular Beach Boys Opinion’ thread would have been more appropriate discussing the Blondie/ Carl SOS vocal debate IMO.

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« Reply #1469 on: October 10, 2018, 09:46:49 AM »

Male Ego is one of my favourite BB songs.
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« Reply #1470 on: October 10, 2018, 03:05:40 PM »

We Gotta Groove is my favorite unreleased BB song.
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