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« Reply #550 on: September 03, 2013, 10:55:38 PM »

Charles Lloyd should have produced Love You.
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« Reply #551 on: September 03, 2013, 11:10:18 PM »

Charles Lloyd should have produced Love You.


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« Reply #552 on: September 04, 2013, 08:28:58 AM »

I own a few thousand CDs, but disc 2 of 'The Smile Sessions' is probably the most annoying one of them all. I love 'Heroes and Villains', but listening to H&V vocal sessions just becomes unbearable after about five minutes.
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« Reply #553 on: September 04, 2013, 10:05:48 AM »

I own a few thousand CDs, but disc 2 of 'The Smile Sessions' is probably the most annoying one of them all. I love 'Heroes and Villains', but listening to H&V vocal sessions just becomes unbearable after about five minutes.

Yeah I have expressed this sentiment already. Esp the animal grunting and what I have dubbed 'the orgasm' part.
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« Reply #554 on: January 07, 2014, 05:52:39 PM »

Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
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I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963 and 1986 onwards!


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« Reply #555 on: January 07, 2014, 06:06:04 PM »

wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. Grin
retro, care to comment?
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« Reply #556 on: January 07, 2014, 06:10:45 PM »

wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. Grin
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  LOL and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  Undecided
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« Reply #557 on: January 07, 2014, 06:15:11 PM »

wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. Grin
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  LOL and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  Undecided

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.
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« Reply #558 on: January 07, 2014, 06:17:49 PM »

wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. Grin
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  LOL and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  Undecided

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.
Actually, we had agreed to stop before Smile Holland "Intervened". In fact, I told Retro that we needed to shut up in order to avoid further trouble, which we did. So the Smile Holland intervention was unnecessary and redundant
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« Reply #559 on: January 07, 2014, 06:19:19 PM »

Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
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I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

As long as "In My Room," "Surfer Girl," and "Lonely Sea" exist, I will have to disagree with you.
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« Reply #560 on: January 07, 2014, 06:21:31 PM »

wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. Grin
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  LOL and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  Undecided

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.

Again I'm sorry for spamming your thread it wasn't intended for that  Sad but my feelings for Gabo's comments haven't changed.  I wish it hadn't have been your thread that all of this bickering took place  Sad
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« Reply #561 on: January 07, 2014, 06:22:15 PM »

Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
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I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

As long as "In My Room," "Surfer Girl," and "Lonely Sea" exist, I will have to disagree with you.
Those 3 songs come close, but I prefer All I Want To Do to the three for one reason.
It's the type of song that you can dance to and is a energetic rocker.
As great as those 3 songs are, they're more slower ballads and not the type of music you would play at a party
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« Reply #562 on: January 07, 2014, 06:22:33 PM »

Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

I'm not a fan of the 20/20 studio version (All I Want To Do doesn't work well in the confines of a studio, imo), but the live MiC version is jaw dropping - I'd put it up there as being one of their best live renditions.
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« Reply #563 on: January 07, 2014, 06:22:58 PM »

Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

As long as "In My Room," "Surfer Girl," and "Lonely Sea" exist, I will have to disagree with you.

those three songs are ballads "All I Want to Do" isn't a ballad  Undecided
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« Reply #564 on: January 07, 2014, 06:23:23 PM »

wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. Grin
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  LOL and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  Undecided

Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.
Actually, we had agreed to stop before Smile Holland "Intervened". In fact, I told Retro that we needed to shut up in order to avoid further trouble, which we did. So the Smile Holland intervention was unnecessary and redundant

Well I am certainly glad you both eventually "agreed" after I begged you three times to stop and others had to post their annoyance. The respectable thing would have been to stop after the first request. Not continue on and on and on and on. But that is neither here nor there. I think you both understand better what is acceptable etiquette. I just hope that you both don't continue to feel insulted and go on the war path anytime anyone has a different opinion than you (be it inflammatory or not).

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« Reply #565 on: January 07, 2014, 06:24:35 PM »

Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

I'm not a fan of the 20/20 studio version (All I Want To Do doesn't work well in the confines of a studio, imo), but the live MiC version is jaw dropping - I'd put it up there as being one of their best live renditions.
Both versions are great!
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.
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« Reply #566 on: January 07, 2014, 06:24:50 PM »

wow.  not a surprise to those of us working our way through the 20/20 survivor thread...but, thanks for sharing. Grin
retro, care to comment?

I was just about to actually  LOL and I also find it strange how the people who stand up to others' disrespect are labeled as trolls when the ones doing the disrespecting are really the trolls  Undecided


Trolls very seldom see themselves as trolls. But if you are referring to my survivor threads I would advise you to count the number of posts between you and mess and compare that to the number of posts by Gabo. You both spammed the hell  out of my thread.

You can also take note of how many normally level headed patient fellow boardies (who love Dennis, by the way) were asking you gently to shut up. intended or not, you were trolling my thread to the point where SMiLE Holland was needed to intervene.
Actually, we had agreed to stop before Smile Holland "Intervened". In fact, I told Retro that we needed to shut up in order to avoid further trouble, which we did. So the Smile Holland intervention was unnecessary and redundant

Yea the last thing I posted was a thumbs up to you telling me that but I guess by then it was too late  Sad
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« Reply #567 on: January 07, 2014, 06:37:22 PM »

Here's a big one, which is something I won't regret saying as it is honestly how I feel.
I love All I Want To Do, and It's one of my all-time favourite BB's songs!
And....


I'll easily take All I Want To Do over any BB's songs from 1961 to 1963!

I'm not a fan of the 20/20 studio version (All I Want To Do doesn't work well in the confines of a studio, imo), but the live MiC version is jaw dropping - I'd put it up there as being one of their best live renditions.
Both versions are great!
I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.

Agreed. I would've loved to have heard this one on the Knebworth album!
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« Reply #568 on: January 08, 2014, 12:11:01 AM »

I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.

I understand not liking "Barbara Ann" (just a throwaway cover on a throwaway album whose popularity got out of control) but why knock Surfin' USA, the song that launched the band onto the National stage?  A song that, despite being lifted from Chuck Berry, is quintessentially Brian Wilson/Beach Boys.  I don't get why in order to compliment the group's later, less popular output you have to disparage the early stuff.  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.

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As great as those 3 songs are, they're more slower ballads and not the type of music you would play at a party

Roll Eyes On what planet is this a rational way of determining the quality of music?  Particularly the music by a band who is more known for ballads than hard rock songs?  I would never play Pet Sounds at a party, and yet IMO it's the best thing they released.

At least you're posting this stuff in the right thread.  Undecided
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« Reply #569 on: January 08, 2014, 12:17:33 AM »

I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.

I understand not liking "Barbara Ann" (just a throwaway cover on a throwaway album whose popularity got out of control) but why knock Surfin' USA, the song that launched the band onto the National stage?  A song that, despite being lifted from Chuck Berry, is quintessentially Brian Wilson/Beach Boys.  I don't get why in order to compliment the group's later, less popular output you have to disparage the early stuff.  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.

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As great as those 3 songs are, they're more slower ballads and not the type of music you would play at a party

Roll Eyes On what planet is this a rational way of determining the quality of music?  Particularly the music by a band who is more known for ballads than hard rock songs?  I would never play Pet Sounds at a party, and yet IMO it's the best thing they released.

At least you're posting this stuff in the right thread.  Undecided
Surfin' USA is a great song, but it was out of date by the late 60's onwards. It certainly didn't help the band's image.
They should have performed far more contemporary songs like they did in the early 70's instead of slowly degenerating into an oldies band after Endless Summer, permanently damaging the band's image and reputation. 

As great as the three ballads are (two of them are the best from their respective albums), I do prefer All I Want To Do. It's simply a more enjoyable song IMO
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« Reply #570 on: January 08, 2014, 12:23:09 AM »

I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.
  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.



The Beach Boys IMO recorded most of their best material in the early years -- 1962 and 1966. As much as I love their later, more obscure material most of it doesn't measure up to the perfect songs they crafted during the early years. The Warmth Of The Sun, Don't Worry Baby, Surfer Girl, In My Room, the list goes on and on, -- not to mention the Pets Sound album.

I think people find their later, artier material easier to accept because the songs are not about surfing, cars, and teenage romance. They are failing to forget, though, that very few of their songs -- even during the "art rock" 1967-1973 period -- have lyrics that can be considered to be great on their own terms. On the contrary, must of them basically suck.

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« Reply #571 on: January 08, 2014, 12:26:55 AM »

I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.
  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.



The Beach Boys IMO recorded most of their best material in the early years -- 1962 and 1966. As much as I love their later, more obscure material most of it doesn't measure up to the perfect songs they crafted during the early years. The Warmth Of The Sun, Don't Worry Baby, Surfer Girl, In My Room, the list goes on and on.


that's fine, but the songs you listed were ballads too.  All I Want To Do is an up tempo song, so wouldn't it make more sense to compare it with another one of their up tempo songs?
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« Reply #572 on: January 08, 2014, 12:30:50 AM »

I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?

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« Reply #573 on: January 08, 2014, 12:34:12 AM »

I think All I Want To Do especially worked great live, and should have become a live staple instead of ageing songs such as Surfin' USA and "shudder" Barbara Ann.
  It seems like you only enjoy a very narrow spectrum of what The Beach Boys recorded.



The Beach Boys IMO recorded most of their best material in the early years -- 1962 and 1966. As much as I love their later, more obscure material most of it doesn't measure up to the perfect songs they crafted during the early years. The Warmth Of The Sun, Don't Worry Baby, Surfer Girl, In My Room, the list goes on and on, -- not to mention the Pets Sound album.

I think people find their later, artier material easier to accept because the songs are not about surfing, cars, and teenage romance, not because the later material is necessarily any better.
I think it all comes down to taste.
But IMHO the Beach Boys recorded a majority of their best material from 1966 to 1973. From Pet Sounds to Holland/Beach Boys In Concert.
Plus, as Retrokid said, you listed just ballads, and while those ballads are no doubt classics (Especially Warmth Of The Sun), I'd still prefer their 66-73 songs
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« Reply #574 on: January 08, 2014, 12:36:26 AM »

I'm really not interested in discussing All I Want To Do.

But if you insist, All Summer Long, California Girls, Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, Dance Dance Dance, Good To My Baby, to name a few, are all more danceable than All I Want To Do.

I like songs you can dance to, too. That's not the mark of a great song. Can you dance to Blowin' In the Wind or Imagine?


True.
But Surfin' Safari, I Get Around, and Dance Dance Dance have all not aged too well.
The music has to stand the test of time to be classic.
Also, I guess while it once again comes down to people's taste, I still find All I Want To Do to me easier to dance to and easier to enjoy, especially the rockin' live version on MIC!
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