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« Reply #475 on: August 13, 2013, 03:05:34 PM »

Is "Time To Get Alone" as good as Pet Sounds? Maybe not quite, but it's still a really good song. I think it was unfortunate that the BBs cut out the bridge with the horns, but it didn't ruin the song.

"Cabinessence" is a ridiculously brilliant song, although I've always thought that the mix on the chorus came out a bit too muddled. It lacks the ideal dynamic range it needed. Actually, I have that complaint about a lot of Smile. I don't know if the tapes became worn from being overplayed or what, but the mixes often sound kinda flat, especially compared to the excellent clarity and dynamics on Beatles releases at the time, Brian seems to have maybe applied Spector-style mono engineering when a more modern approach was necessary to capture the full range of sounds he was dreaming up.
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« Reply #476 on: August 13, 2013, 03:40:27 PM »

My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?
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« Reply #477 on: August 13, 2013, 05:22:18 PM »

My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

Wow. You just absolutely HATE the rest of us, don't you, Doctor?
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« Reply #478 on: August 13, 2013, 05:23:55 PM »

My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

I agree that the "deep and wide" part is annoying.  Not sure I would call it out of place, though.  The problem for me is that, as some folks have pointed out in the past, the "deep and wide" line is a bit too loud and jarring.  Here you have a mellow, feel-good little ditty abruptly interrupted by a wake up call, and then it goes back into mellow mode with some breathtaking harmonies into the fade.  I like what Mark Linnett did by taking the "D & W" part down a few notches; that works a lot better for me and is a little less in your face.  Problem is, that's the only thing I like about his remix.  


Sooooooo, there you have it.....I've tossed out a few opinions.  Don't know if any of them are unpopular.
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« Reply #479 on: August 13, 2013, 05:54:20 PM »

My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

Wow. You just absolutely HATE the rest of us, don't you, Doctor?
He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. Wink
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« Reply #480 on: August 13, 2013, 06:03:21 PM »

When I say stuff like "Seriously", I am honestly dumbfounded by what I read. I have heard this song for over 40 years and understood the "Deep and wide" since the first time I heard it. So, I am sometimes surprised by some of the things I read. It's an honest reaction, not a put down to the poster. I guess this is where if I spoke instead of written my reply, everyone would of understood what I meant. So Sheriff, if you took offense to my answer, I apologize ahead of time to you.
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« Reply #481 on: August 13, 2013, 06:17:36 PM »

When I say stuff like "Seriously", I am honestly dumbfounded by what I read. I have heard this song for over 40 years and understood the "Deep and wide" since the first time I heard it. So, I am sometimes surprised by some of the things I read. It's an honest reaction, not a put down to the poster. I guess this is where if I spoke instead of written my reply, everyone would of understood what I meant. So Sheriff, if you took offense to my answer, I apologize ahead of time to you.

No offense.

I didn't word my post well. Of course I know how "deep and wide" fits lyrically, thematically, and what they were trying to get across with the loud echo effect. But, sockittome's post says it much better than I did. The part is loud and jarring, and I don't think that loud singing/vocal arrangement FITS with the mellow, laid back essence of the song. But that's just my unpopular opinion.

I wanted to throw in something about "Cabinessence". I'm not posting this to disagree with any previous posters, but I think "Cabinessence" is in the Top 5 of Brian's most brilliant - or something like that, maybe mind blowing, jaw dropping, or "how did he write that" - compositions. I've listened to it a thousand times in my lifetime and it still impresses me. Whenever I think of the scrapping of SMiLE going into the recording of Smiley Smile, I always think of "Cabinessence (even more than "Surf's Up') and think, "How could somebody (Brian) NOT want that song to be heard"?
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« Reply #482 on: August 13, 2013, 06:29:46 PM »

He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. Wink

Discussion of "Time To Get Alone" isn't worth that kind of language.
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« Reply #483 on: August 13, 2013, 06:41:27 PM »

My unpopular BB opinion...'Time to Get Alone' is way overrated. Its an ok song, but not one that lives up to the standards set by Brian before 1967.

Maybe if it was recorded by Redwood, it could have made sense. But with a BB production, nope.
Maybe so, but there is nothing as pretty as "deep and wide" section. Just stunning!

Funny you would post that.... I like "Time To Get Alone" a lot, but I could see it as being overrated. However, I NEVER liked the "deep and wide" part. I always found it out of place and annoying. It never made any sense to me how that part "fit" the rest of the song.
Seriously? Listen to the words of the song and then figure where they are singing that causes an echo effect. Haven't you ever yelled across a valley from the top of a mountainside?

Wow. You just absolutely HATE the rest of us, don't you, Doctor?

That is such a stupid post; I don't even know where to begin. How in the hell do you arrive at such a ridiculous, nonsensical conclusion?
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« Reply #484 on: August 13, 2013, 07:19:26 PM »

He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. Wink

Discussion of "Time To Get Alone" isn't worth that kind of language.
You are correct, that was uncalled for. I lost my temper. To you and anyone else who was offended, my sincere apology for saying that. Just so you know, it was not the song, but saying that I must HATE everyone that ticked me off.
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« Reply #485 on: August 13, 2013, 11:52:19 PM »

He said he didn't understand how it fit. I explained how it fit. How the f*** is that HATE? Now, if the Sheriff had an issue, I would understand, but you? What fucking right do you have to say that? I generally never hate anything, but I just might make an exception for you. Wink

Discussion of "Time To Get Alone" isn't worth that kind of language.
You are correct, that was uncalled for. I lost my temper. To you and anyone else who was offended, my sincere apology for saying that. Just so you know, it was not the song, but saying that I must HATE everyone that ticked me off.

I think you were absolutely justified in using the f-word. You made a perfectly reasonable (and accurate) counter-argument re Time To Get Alone, and in response you were accused of hating everybody. It was ridiculous! Quite frankly I think you've shown restraint if anything. Honestly, if someone's only response to having someone disagree with them is to resort to accusing them of being hate-filled then they're in serious need of some perspective... and should f*** off.
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« Reply #486 on: August 15, 2013, 08:34:06 AM »

First time I've seen this thread!

The main one I have is that the order of the Pet Sounds track list is atrocious; it feels like they hit the "randomize" button to decide it.
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« Reply #487 on: August 15, 2013, 08:42:51 AM »

Is "Time To Get Alone" as good as Pet Sounds? Maybe not quite, but it's still a really good song. I think it was unfortunate that the BBs cut out the bridge with the horns, but it didn't ruin the song.

"Cabinessence" is a ridiculously brilliant song, although I've always thought that the mix on the chorus came out a bit too muddled. It lacks the ideal dynamic range it needed. Actually, I have that complaint about a lot of Smile. I don't know if the tapes became worn from being overplayed or what, but the mixes often sound kinda flat, especially compared to the excellent clarity and dynamics on Beatles releases at the time, Brian seems to have maybe applied Spector-style mono engineering when a more modern approach was necessary to capture the full range of sounds he was dreaming up.

I personally find the horns in the Hawthorne version a bit superfluous, that being said, the a cappella ending is fantastic, tacking it onto Mark's 2009 remix is one of the better things I've done with my life Cool Guy
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« Reply #488 on: August 15, 2013, 09:15:24 AM »

I have very few unpopular Beach Boys opinions...hmmm lemme think..


- 'Baby Blue' is Denny's best song with the group, not 'Forever', wonderful as it is.

- The early stuff is sometimes as good better than SMiLE music or Sunflower, depending on the song.

- Tony Asher is a better BW collaborator than Van Dyke Parks. Or at very least they wrote better songs together.

- Wild Honey's greatness can only really be enjoyed in mono. In fact I think that's true with most of the BBs 60s output. This opinion seems to be growing less and less popular everyday...

- 'Sloop John B' is one of the best tracks on Pet Sounds, and one of the best things the band ever recorded.


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« Reply #489 on: August 15, 2013, 12:25:02 PM »

Summer Days, it would not bother me if I never hear a stereo Beach Boys mix from before Friends again. I love mono.
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« Reply #490 on: August 15, 2013, 01:36:18 PM »

I'm not a very big fan of Good Vibrations. I can see why it was a hit, and I like the production, but the song itself underwhelms me. Give me Wouldn't It Be Nice or Sloop John B any day.
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« Reply #491 on: August 15, 2013, 01:46:03 PM »

I'm not a very big fan of Good Vibrations. I can see why it was a hit, and I like the production, but the song itself underwhelms me. Give me Wouldn't It Be Nice or Sloop John B any day.
I like GV, but like you, I prefer the other two over it, as well. Wouldn't It Be Nice is my favorite Beach Boys song, bar done. Smiley
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« Reply #492 on: August 15, 2013, 05:18:04 PM »

I like the majority of the stereo remixes.  And what's really cool is that we still have the original monos; they have not been recalled.  Everybody should be happy!  Smiley
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« Reply #493 on: August 15, 2013, 08:15:14 PM »

The poor execution of the tambourine hit in Good Vibrations @14s bugs me quite a bit. Same with the fidelity change between "I love the coulorful clothes she wears" and "and the way the sunlight plays along her hair".
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« Reply #494 on: August 15, 2013, 09:34:18 PM »

Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.

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« Reply #495 on: August 15, 2013, 10:18:28 PM »

Here's an unpopular opinion that will blow minds...

I'm SO sick of the Mike v the rest of the band feud that at this point, I'm enjoying the Beatles' music more these days, because there's much less baggage associated with it. There's something I never would've said a month ago. I think Brian's a genius, Mike's talented in his own right, Al is a true professional musically, Dave's a great guitarist and cool guy, and Bruce is...Bruce, but I wish everybody would just shut the hell up and just play music. There. I said it.
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« Reply #496 on: August 15, 2013, 10:26:08 PM »

Wrong thread.

That's a popular opinion here!
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« Reply #497 on: August 15, 2013, 10:40:10 PM »

Yeah, but it seems like many side with one side or the other. Me? I'm pissed at both. Thank God the boxed set is coming out...I may not be able to afford it but we REALLY need a reminder of why we're here, cause this petty bickering in the press sure as hell ain't it.
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« Reply #498 on: August 16, 2013, 01:30:42 AM »

Love Surrounds Me was long, slow and boring.
I agree with you, only correction it is still long, slow & boring.

Nonsense. Dennis dared to be different. The rest of the group were (terminally) stuck in the past. That's the reality.

At least Brian became by the early 70's when he regressed into his oldies music. He didn't approve of the guitar driven hippie period and since his efforts were recieved lukewarmly after PS he slowly gave up and decided what the audience wanted was not something he was prepared to make.

Carl and Dennis tried to stay contemporary and Mike& Al could be contemporary when directed so. Brian however was the real oldies guy. Bruce was a joke. the least hippest dude to live on the west coast.

Yeah man, it's all about being hip and keeping up with trends. The best artists and people conform to what's going on around them.
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« Reply #499 on: August 16, 2013, 01:35:34 AM »

Not sure if this has already been written but....

SMiLE wouldve been 10x the album it is if it werent for VDP stupid, nonsensical, boring lyrics.



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